Lots of interesting news today

[Southern_Transplant]

So, they need to tighten gun laws? I find that interesting. Sounds like he got what was coming to him.

Yes. It's obvious the person being robbed was poorly trained. The Mozambique drill is two to the chest and one to the head. This guy missed his first body shot and then double tapped the head shot.

Seriously though, I have no f'ing clue what that reporting was. It seems to imply the person committing armed robbery was a living saint and that the issue was someone had them means to defend themselves. It's like they are saying the silent part out loud. They are criminal advocates.

 

[RatLabGuy]

Dad of 20 was shot and killed when he tried to rob someone getting off the bus​

And we're just ignoring this rather fascinating detail?

Guessing he needed the cash for child support

 

[RatLabGuy]

I just can't get past this

Hightower added that he is pushing Greyhound to end its policy allowing guns across state lines and urging Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to tighten gun laws to keep firearms away from young people.

... you mean so they are an easier target for your dad to illegally use a gun to rob them?

 

[skyhighZJ]

And we're just ignoring this rather fascinating detail?

Guessing he needed the cash for child support

All other things aside I saw this and the highlights and, yes, I am a interwebs racist I guess. Goes to the other thread about world population……

 

[jeepinmatt]

And we're just ignoring this rather fascinating detail?

Guessing he needed the cash for child support

No. Part of why I posted it. But dont worry, only 12 were his, the other 8 were step kids.

 

[RoosterRash]

But only 10 showed up for the funeral

 

[Kamel]

But only 10 showed up for the funeral

This^^^

 

[jeepinmatt]

Just heard about this, even though it happened 3 years ago:

Lafayette pizza delivery driver who won Carnegie Medal says experience changed him for the better

Nick Bostic risked his life to save five children from a burning home in 2022, and just earned the highest civilian honor for bravery in the country.

www.wthr.com

 

[jeepinmatt]

FHP report: U-turn leads to fatal crash on Florida's Turnpike in Fort Pierce

The Florida Highway Patrol released information on a deadly crash on Florida’s Turnpike in Fort Pierce on Tuesday.

www.wpbf.com

Video of incident

 

[skyhighZJ]

FHP report: U-turn leads to fatal crash on Florida's Turnpike in Fort Pierce

The Florida Highway Patrol released information on a deadly crash on Florida’s Turnpike in Fort Pierce on Tuesday.

www.wpbf.com

Video of incident

Although I don’t agree with what happened and fully believe that those two should be fried for murder the quote about learning to drive in another country is a shitty culture jab. I have been to India and put my life in the hands of a bus driver who navigated some of the shittiest roads I’ve ever seen at speed and he was a master of his trade. Obviously this doesn’t hold true across the board but for him to be brought here to make money ( that he probably sends 90% or more of make to his family in India is just poor business practice for the company. He obviously held an A class CDL. It’s known as he was driving a combination vehicle over 26k. The real problem is companies hiring drivers (citizen or not (fully)) and paying them shit wages. See it all the time which is why they team drive. They make more miles per ELD guidelines thus make the company more money. They don’t fully vet them and are only looking for the industry term of “steering wheel holder” cause they cost less. I’m sure many here will chime in ( @ghost being a first thought). The company should be held liable as well if they cannot produce quantifiable proof of training for this driver. This hits on so many of the issues plaguing this country in regards to cheap labor out sourced to people who have no business doing the job.

 

[skyhighZJ]

So as the news progresses it seems that the driver was illegal and was “legal” through a licensing agency in California where he was allowed to drive under false pretenses. Sucks but goes back to the ownership of the company to verify legitimacy of the driver vs. the money of the company.

 

[RatLabGuy]

So as the news progresses it seems that the driver was illegal and was “legal” through a licensing agency in California where he was allowed to drive under false pretenses. Sucks but goes back to the ownership of the company to verify legitimacy of the driver vs. the money of the company.

I'm sure somebody is about to get sued, and somebody else is about to deported

 

[benXJ]

So as the news progresses it seems that the driver was illegal and was “legal” through a licensing agency in California where he was allowed to drive under false pretenses. Sucks but goes back to the ownership of the company to verify legitimacy of the driver vs. the money of the company.

and/or the gov, mayor, judge, city council, 'religious' institution, and anyone else that enticed and allowed an 'illegal' stay on US soil and then kill 3 Americans.

we have such a hard time predicting and preventing crime......while at the same time allowing 100% preventable crimes to occur.

humans are so dumb

 

[ghost]

Although I don’t agree with what happened and fully believe that those two should be fried for murder the quote about learning to drive in another country is a shitty culture jab. I have been to India and put my life in the hands of a bus driver who navigated some of the shittiest roads I’ve ever seen at speed and he was a master of his trade. Obviously this doesn’t hold true across the board but for him to be brought here to make money ( that he probably sends 90% or more of make to his family in India is just poor business practice for the company. He obviously held an A class CDL. It’s known as he was driving a combination vehicle over 26k. The real problem is companies hiring drivers (citizen or not (fully)) and paying them shit wages. See it all the time which is why they team drive. They make more miles per ELD guidelines thus make the company more money. They don’t fully vet them and are only looking for the industry term of “steering wheel holder” cause they cost less. I’m sure many here will chime in ( @ghost being a first thought). The company should be held liable as well if they cannot produce quantifiable proof of training for this driver. This hits on so many of the issues plaguing this country in regards to cheap labor out sourced to people who have no business doing the job.

So as the news progresses it seems that the driver was illegal and was “legal” through a licensing agency in California where he was allowed to drive under false pretenses. Sucks but goes back to the ownership of the company to verify legitimacy of the driver vs. the money of the company.

I just spent a week with mom and dad in Vero Beach. that was all over the news. Last I saw he is in ICE custody now and up for vehicular homicide. Unfortunately this is the nature of trucking now. They are people from all over the world driving now. they work for a lot less then my drivers and a lot harder.

I'm sure somebody is about to get sued, and somebody else is about to deported

Unfortunately I doubt they will be able to do anything to the people that put these people on our roads. The company will get sued and settle out of court. The ins will pay they will likely declare bankruptcy and then reopen in another name.

More on it. I was able to read the TCPalm but some of those have pay walls.

Driver of truck in fatal turnpike crash charged with homicide, immigration violation

Harjinder Singh entered the country illegally from Mexico in 2018, the state said. He is being charged with three counts of vehicular homicide.

www.tcpalm.com

Here is the the thing that boogles my mind. In 2020 or so the MC numbers were 6 digit 123456 for example. From 2020 till today they are 7 digits and not only that they are up to 15xxxxx. So there have been 500K new MC numbers issued in 5 years. From what I understand they are discontinuing the MC system and going to use the DOT going forward in order to "stream line" the system. I'm afraid of what's to come.

 

[benXJ]

It's so scary how so many (Americans, voters, whatever) argue and fight over how 'the government' should provide for and protect them while not realizing that not only does the government not care about them, they do things to actively put them in danger and make their life worse... daily.

And sit back and let the taxes be constantly raised to pay for it all!

How baffling is that!

 

[RatLabGuy]

The real problem is companies hiring drivers (citizen or not (fully)) and paying them shit wages. See it all the time which is why they team drive. They make more miles per ELD guidelines thus make the company more money. They don’t fully vet them and are only looking for the industry term of “steering wheel holder” cause they cost less.

This is unfortunately a side effect of free market capitalism. A solution would be regulation and minimum wage requirements, but nobody wants that either.

 

[jeepinmatt]

This is unfortunately a side effect of free market capitalism. A solution would be regulation and minimum wage requirements, but nobody wants that either.

Does a free market have regulations that prevent actually skilled drivers from driving since they don't have a CDL, but an untrained guy from India can show up and get a CDL through a company in 2 weeks and go do u-turns on the interstate? Seems a bit disingenuous to call one of the most regulated industries in the country "free market capitalism".

 

[Scott86MJ]

They should arrest the employer that hired him like they did the bakery owners in Texas.

Jury finds Texas couple guilty of concealing and harboring bakery workers in the US illegally

A jury in South Texas has found two bakery owners accused of concealing and harboring employees in the U.S. illegally guilty.

apnews.com

 

[benXJ]

Free market capitaliam is not the same as hiring illegals cause trucking companies have lobbied for cheap under the table labor imports

 

[Southern_Transplant]

Does a free market have regulations that prevent actually skilled drivers from driving since they don't have a CDL, but an untrained guy from India can show up and get a CDL through a company in 2 weeks and go do u-turns on the interstate? Seems a bit disingenuous to call one of the most regulated industries in the country "free market capitalism".

This is clearly a case where a state has circumvented the standards that were in place to regulate the free market. If California is found to be negligent with maintaining their CDL program (such as issuing CDL licenses to illegal immigrants) the easy answer is to suspend their ability to issue CDLs for interstate commerce until their program can be revalidated.

 

[benXJ]

Ha. Thad wont happen. Newsome will see that Trump has no say in CA.
Newsome obviously has the American citizen front and center in his thoughts.

 

[RatLabGuy]

Free market capitaliam is not the same as hiring illegals cause trucking companies have lobbied for cheap under the table labor imports

No they are not the same, but allowing the market to be free is exactly what allows that to happen.

Does a free market have regulations that prevent actually skilled drivers from driving since they don't have a CDL, but an untrained guy from India can show up and get a CDL through a company in 2 weeks and go do u-turns on the interstate? Seems a bit disingenuous to call one of the most regulated industries in the country "free market capitalism".

The "free market" in this case, or at least what I was referring to, and what @skyhighZJ pointed out, is that companies are free to pay drivers whatever they want, and thus take advantage of there being people who are willing to work for shit pay and have their own very low standards, thus catering to imported unskilled labor bc the properly trained folks that are worth more won't work for that same shit pay. Thats not the part of the industry that is regulated. Should it be?

This aspect isn't unique to the trucking industry.

 

[Southern_Transplant]

The "free market" in this case, or at least what I was referring to, and what @skyhighZJ pointed out, is that companies are free to pay drivers whatever they want, and thus take advantage of there being people who are willing to work for shit pay and have their own very low standards, thus catering to imported unskilled labor bc the properly trained folks that are worth more won't work for that same shit pay. Thats not the part of the industry that is regulated. Should it be?

I suppose a completely "free market" would allow anyone to advertise their services as a brain surgeon. But there are supposed to be regulations in industries. One example is the qualification process for a CDL license, but there are many others. I do see this as an issue for the NTSB to look into and determine if California or other states have violated their authority and responsibility as a licensing organization. If so, they should take appropriate action.

I do agree this is just one example where licensing organizations and labor authorities are looking the other way to provide cheap labor and keep wages artificially low. See also Nursing.

 

[skyhighZJ]

This licensing issue is not the first time in a long list of states that have floated the certifications. It comes back to one simple thing $$$$. The problem is, and is not seen by those accepting said $$$$ for XYZ is the blood shed (straight up murder) by the illegals (not even immigration related) on the road behind these 80k pound missiles. It comes back to companies needing drivers and not willing to pay a good and fair wage because the only thing that they see is the bottom line. Find the BBD and hire it regardless of the outcome. Go back. Trucking used to be an honorable rate and trade. A hard life earned by those that loved what they did. Gov regulations and oversight took that obey away from the companies who would not let go of the bottom line so what did they do? Found cheaper labor. I’ll let y’all do the math from there.

 

[benXJ]

the trucking companies are only able to hire these questionable people cause the gov't lets them in. then relaxes rules and regs.

we have millions of people here in the states already that don't have jobs or are underemployed. we don't need more bodies.

if any company only had 'above board' legal citizens to choose from, then they would hire them if they wanted to conduct business.

should the USA just be an economic zone designed to extract the very last bottom dollar out of it with no regard to humanity or a soverign protected nation?

there are many in charge that want the former.