Mild XJ Lift

If he's referring to the ZJ swap then he's pulling our buying the rear setup of a ZJ... The only thing I dont like about the ZJ swap is if you're doing it the cheap way your going to reuse all the old parts. I would rather have all new brake parts (calipers, etc.). But the ZJ way is another option. If I went that way I'd just reuse the backing plates and buy all new parts from NAPA or similar.

If you search around over on NAXJA you'll find more info than you have time to read about disc swaps onto XJ's.

I know you have a 1995 XJ but what rear axle do you have? D35? ABS? all these things affect what you put on the jeep....
 
Arch, The brake swap on XJs.. are you using a kit or gathering parts?


Gathering parts. Here's the skinny:

the caliper mounting brackets from ZJ D35s are a close fit to the 8.25's axle flange and bolt pattern. You'll need to get the mounting brackets and backing plates (if you want an e-brake) from a junkyard or someone on the naxja classifieds. The caliper brackets must be honed out to fit over the axle tube and the bolt holes need to be honed out a bit. The easiest way to do it (I think) is just use a dremel and keep trying to fit the brackets as you remove material. Do the big hole for the axle housing then as you slide it towards the flange you'll see what you need to remove to make the bolts fit. You will probably want to replace the bolts for a longer set as the caliper bracket is a bit thicker than the drum plate was.

When I did it on my personal vehicle, I got the mounting brackets, backing plates, e-brake cables + assemblies, and calipers off a '97 ZJ shipped from a local JY for $180. I still had to purchase brake soft lines, brake pads, caliper hardware kit (bolts and sleeves) rotors, longer wheelstuds (just use XJ front wheelstuds), gear oil and RTV to refill and seal the diff.

The second time I did the swap on one of my employees XJs, a 96. I bought the parts from someone off NAXJA, I think it was $220 for brackets, backing plates, no e-brake stuff but came with the soft lines and remanufactured calipers and bolts/sleeves. Needed the same extras as above.

If memory serves, 4-wheel discs became standard in MY 1994.5 ZJs, so I would keep my search in the '95-98 region, if you want I'd be glad to PM you the info for that junkyard (can't remember off the top of my head, it's written down in my haynes manual). I wouldn't recommend using junkyard calipers, mine have been fine but I had a fair amount of private property on which to test them before they hit the streets. I had planned on just using them as cores but since they work fine I decided to use them. Either way, new pads and rotors are a must.

A lot of people get the ZJ proportioning valve, I don't really feel the need for it in my application but if you can get one cheap it won't hurt.

Anyways, I think I got $170-200 when looking for all new drum stuff (wheel cylinders, drums, shoes, springs, etc), and my drums were always a headache, always needing adjustment, never providing satisfactory stopping power... Personally, with the ease of the swap (if you can pull an axleshaft, you can do this), I wouldn't even consider replacing drums, stock tires or not.
 
I know you have a 1995 XJ but what rear axle do you have? D35? ABS? all these things affect what you put on the jeep....



Yeah, that's very important, it's definitely the most determing set of factors. I was assuming you had a non-abs 8.25.

And I agree 100% with UNCC, if you do the ZJ swap use just the brackets/backing plates and don't plan on using junkyard brake parts. just not safe.
 
yeah i have the non abs 8.25... Ive never pulled an axle saft, so im a little concerned with that... I need to do some more homework it looks like
 
yeah i have the non abs 8.25... Ive never pulled an axle saft, so im a little concerned with that... I need to do some more homework it looks like


Well it is fairly basic, I think the most difficult/time consuming parts are pulling the axle shafts (because it is a c-clip axle, it means to pull the shafts you have to open the differential), and honing out the caliper brackets to get them to fit over the larger axle housing. Other than that the work is simple bolt-on type stuff.

Here, I'll make a rough walk-through based on my (highly suspect) memory:

1. Jack up rear end and support on jackstands

2.remove rear wheels.

3.remove old drums, this may require detensioning the self adjuster (need brake spoon or big flathead for this).

4.remove all old springs, brake shoes, e-brake cables, etc from the inside of where the old drum was. Extreme prejudice and cursing is necessary here so that the drums know how much of a pain they were to adjust and how inadequate they were in the area of slowing the vehicle down. You can remove the wheel cylinders here too, just put something underneath them to hold the fluid that will leak out.

5. now go to the pumpkin on your rear axle and unbolt (mostly) the cover. Leave the top center bolt in so that the cover doesn't drop into the drain pan you put underneath and use a rubber mallet to smack the diff cover off. May take a couple of whacks to break the old RTV/gasket. Let the gear oil drain out well. Inspect it for metal chunks or shavings, then use some brake cleaner to get gunk out of the inside of the diff.

6. Now you'll need a small ratchet or wrench to take a set bolt out of (we're about to enter gearland, where my vocabulary fails me and others) the cylinder that sits between the butts of the 2 axle shafts.
6b)eer. Drink one.

7.you'll have to spin the carrier and gears to get the cylinder to drop out, but it will. Lay it aside and keep it clean. more importantly, make sure all of these parts are clean when going back in, we aren't trying to add grit or contaminants to our hardworking gears.

8. Now push each axle shaft in about 1-2". In the diff you'll see the end of each shaft with a c-clip. All the ones I've dealt with have either fallen right out or come out with hand pressure, but horror stories do exist. If it were me in the worst case scenario, I'd probably be trying to use some sort of little punch to knock the clip off, others probably know of better ways.

9. at this point, I use surveyor's paint to mark a stripe on one hub/axle. With what we have in our shop at work, that was always the way that I thought would best ensure that the shaft made it back to the same side it came from. You can mark/remember it any way you please, but it's a good idea for the shafts to go back on the sides they came from. also put a rolled up bit of paper towl or rag into the open ends of your axle tubes, keep crap out while you're working around it.

10. press out old wheelstuds, press in new. I use a mini-sledge and a vice. Can use any number of methods.

11.unbolt drum bracket from axle flange, bolt on disc bracket. if you want you can now put the shafts back in and seal up the diff and all that. Usually I do it here so that the RTV has a bit of time to set up.

12.bend brake hardlines so they run above leaf springs. Attach softlines and calipers.

13. pads and rotors, and bleed the brakes. Now go test them out carefully.


I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but that's at least a summary of the steps involved. If you can change oil and have a good amount of common sense this mod could be time consuming but very within your reach. Once you're familiar with the process, two people can do it in a matter of a couple hours.
 
I put a Rough Country 3" on my daughter's XJ. National Tire and Wheel, $239 with shocks. Ride is great as well.
 

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Well it is fairly basic, I think the most difficult/time consuming parts are pulling the axle shafts (because it is a c-clip axle, it means to pull the shafts you have to open the differential), and honing out the caliper brackets to get them to fit over the larger axle housing. Other than that the work is simple bolt-on type stuff.
Here, I'll make a rough walk-through based on my (highly suspect) memory:
1. Jack up rear end and support on jackstands
2.remove rear wheels.
3.remove old drums, this may require detensioning the self adjuster (need brake spoon or big flathead for this).
4.remove all old springs, brake shoes, e-brake cables, etc from the inside of where the old drum was. Extreme prejudice and cursing is necessary here so that the drums know how much of a pain they were to adjust and how inadequate they were in the area of slowing the vehicle down. You can remove the wheel cylinders here too, just put something underneath them to hold the fluid that will leak out.
5. now go to the pumpkin on your rear axle and unbolt (mostly) the cover. Leave the top center bolt in so that the cover doesn't drop into the drain pan you put underneath and use a rubber mallet to smack the diff cover off. May take a couple of whacks to break the old RTV/gasket. Let the gear oil drain out well. Inspect it for metal chunks or shavings, then use some brake cleaner to get gunk out of the inside of the diff.
6. Now you'll need a small ratchet or wrench to take a set bolt out of (we're about to enter gearland, where my vocabulary fails me and others) the cylinder that sits between the butts of the 2 axle shafts.
6b)eer. Drink one.
7.you'll have to spin the carrier and gears to get the cylinder to drop out, but it will. Lay it aside and keep it clean. more importantly, make sure all of these parts are clean when going back in, we aren't trying to add grit or contaminants to our hardworking gears.
8. Now push each axle shaft in about 1-2". In the diff you'll see the end of each shaft with a c-clip. All the ones I've dealt with have either fallen right out or come out with hand pressure, but horror stories do exist. If it were me in the worst case scenario, I'd probably be trying to use some sort of little punch to knock the clip off, others probably know of better ways.
9. at this point, I use surveyor's paint to mark a stripe on one hub/axle. With what we have in our shop at work, that was always the way that I thought would best ensure that the shaft made it back to the same side it came from. You can mark/remember it any way you please, but it's a good idea for the shafts to go back on the sides they came from. also put a rolled up bit of paper towl or rag into the open ends of your axle tubes, keep crap out while you're working around it.
10. press out old wheelstuds, press in new. I use a mini-sledge and a vice. Can use any number of methods.
11.unbolt drum bracket from axle flange, bolt on disc bracket. if you want you can now put the shafts back in and seal up the diff and all that. Usually I do it here so that the RTV has a bit of time to set up.
12.bend brake hardlines so they run above leaf springs. Attach softlines and calipers.
13. pads and rotors, and bleed the brakes. Now go test them out carefully.
I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but that's at least a summary of the steps involved. If you can change oil and have a good amount of common sense this mod could be time consuming but very within your reach. Once you're familiar with the process, two people can do it in a matter of a couple hours.

Awesome. thank you very much!!!!!!!
 
If it was me i would stick with rusty's I own two cherokees one has a rusty's 6.5"in lift and can take a beating, I also have one with a a three inch rancho lift with 2" blocks and spacers and i wouldn't go with anybody else but rusty's now.
 
If it was me i would stick with rusty's I own two cherokees one has a rusty's 6.5"in lift and can take a beating, I also have one with a a three inch rancho lift with 2" blocks and spacers and i wouldn't go with anybody else but rusty's now.

First time I've ever heard that... have you ever ran a different lift besides Rancho and Rusty's?
 
I recently put a Rubicon Express 3.5 Superide lift on mine, and I am very pleased. It came with shocks, front coils, rear leafs, lower control arms, and an extended rear brake line. The total cost was $720 with shipping. This is a great deal for a great lift. You can try e-bay and search for lift there.
I would recommend getting the new rear leafs if you plan to keep it as the stock leafs sag after time.
If you are interested in any more info, shoot me a PM. I researched lifts for a long time before I bought mine, and still have a lot of links saved.
 
interested in selling your adjustable track bar? in desperate need

The last comment before you was almost 6 years ago.........

Sent from my garage
 
My first lift I went the 3" RC lift with AAL route and it was a good start, easily sold when I decided that wasn't enough shortly after. Lol. It's tough to sell jy lifts yet you have about the same time in them if not more. I was told early pick your final height and build for that. Hard to do and often justify but it is good advice. If you want 3" lift do it once and do it right. My 93 with ax-15 didn't need a TC drop at 3" btw.
 
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