NC lottery

bigassedredjeep

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watching the news tonight and found out that we are finally gonna get a lottery. is it a good thing or not???

and bad news for the smokers in the crowd.. 30cent tax increase starts tomorrow... :smokin: :sniper:
 
Lotteries have been widely regarded as a tax on the poor... But I'll play... At least we now have the choice...
 
Rich said:
Lotteries have been widely regarded as a tax on the poor... But I'll play... At least we now have the choice...

That is a "nice" way of putting it, as the poor are usually the most ardant players hoping to " stike it rich"

When I lived in IL, lottery was everywhere, folks would drop half their pay on quik-pix and scratch offs, the rest would go for beer and smokes.

it really is sad to see, but then again, you can't protect folks from thier own stupidity.

They even made it easier to play, as you didn't actually have to scratch the cards to play, just the bar code and have it scanned to tell you if it was a winner. Never saw anyone make back what they spent on the instant tickets. and very few with the daily, weekly or Power Ball drawings.

I think it is a a sad thing for the state, lets hope they actually use the funds for the intended purpose ( IL seems to have a hard time doing just that )

yeah, I'm against it.

Kevin
 
I heard that before SC got their lottery millions of dollars were going out of state to its surrounded states with lottery. in fact, we were losing allot of money to VA and SC for those that wanted to play. again, This is what I heard, I have yet to do my homework
 
Let's put it this way. I don't play a lot, but I have gone up to VA when the pot got really huge. Funny, there always seemed to be MORE license plates from NC than VA in the parking lot.

I'd a lot sooner see all that dough go into North Carolina's kitty than VA's or SC's. Who knows, if they DON'T use it all for schools, maybe they'll be able to finally finish some of these crap roads.

Maybe even BOTH.
 
Thank You. I've been waiting for this for a while. Maybe now we can get rid of all the dumbasses that waste their $$$ (read: all $$$ not a couple bucks) on the stupid lottery. Sure I play a little while in VA or SC, but no more than a couple bucks. I don't take any special trips up to VA to play or anything. If you're too stupid to manage your $$$ then you don't deserve to have it. Darwin to the rescue. IMO.


Although the problem with this as I see it: The folks that are responsible enough not to loose their house/all their $$$/etc. playing the lottery will be the ones that support all the idiots who loose their asses (through the govt. and welfare and taxes). So, I guess my thinking is somewhat of a loose-loose situation. Oh well.

Maybe it will help the schools, but that means there will be less $$$ budgeted to the schools by the state cause the school system will benefit from the lottery. So, I guess the schools won't see anymore $$$, it will just come from a different supplier.

Is it really worth it?
I was in favor for the lottery, but now that its hear, uh, well, I guess I'm ok with it.
If the lottery and the $$$ distribution is executed effectively, it will give great things to the state; mis-managed, well, it could be disaster.


Rob
 
What sucks is you still cant have those punch board things. i won ALOT of shit on those. Guns, fishing rods, ect. Can we have that NOOOOOO.
 
I think the lottery is dumb.. our state laws outlaw gambling, but now there is an exception for the state-run lottery. Gambling should be legal, not exploited by our state government.
 
i think its great, why would we not want to keep NC dollars in NC?

all them dumbasses blowing all their money is just gonna give me so much more to laugh at :flipoff2:

it will only help the economy....sure the poor will get poorer, blah blah blah...its money spent
 
More specifically, it's a tax on people who suck at math....like me. I'll probably play it once in a while.

But on purpleTJchicks point, the money has absolutely left NC and gone to SC especially because of our large populations near that border (Charlotte). Last time I looked at the SC education lottery webpage, half the recent winners were from NC.
 
It's not just Charlotte. NC residents have spent $130 million on VA lottery tickets in the last year. That's $10 mil more than the $120 million they've spent in SC in the same time period.

I dunno what the numbers are for TN or GA, but suffice to say that some cash has been spent there as well.

Taking the moral high road is pretty much irrelevant when state residents are already sending hundreds of millions of dollars every year to out of state lotteries.
 
Idiots tax, The more you contribute the bigger the idiot. I think it's great the government is finally not going to go out of its way to protect us from ourselves. Kids have to wear helmets to ride bikes, we have to wear seat belts, disclaimers have to be on anything that will hurt you or potentially cost you money (investment vehicles). But this is great, if you're dumb enough to spend all your cash on a lotto then natural selection is back in play. I payed enough attention in a high school statistics class to understand what the term "odds" mean. I buy a ticket from time to time, heck I bought 5 megamillions tickets last weekend in Atlanta, you can't win if ya don't play. I would never spend money that should be obligated to other expenses first like beer,twinkies,and maybe a Petersons. :flipoff2:
I just hope they do use the cash to better our crapass school system and educate these kids to pull their pants up, straighten their cap out, and learn something.
 
And if they didn't spend it on the lottery, they'd spend it on beer, wine, drugs, potted meat and pork skins

(no offense to anyone who may do this already, well, if your offended, screw it, I don't care)

Rob
 
Watched the Florida lottery come in...Was supposed to help fund the schools. And, it does, but most of the state funding went away. So the schools are in the same boat they were many years ago. There is just not enough money to teach a simple statistics class that would help the poor disadvantaged youth find out that playing the lottery is NOT a sound carrier choice...Welfare is much better. :flipoff2:
 
As said above the best thing about it, is the fact that it will keep NC money in NC. I used to work with a guy who lived in Danville VA and every week (if not daily) people would give him money to buy lottery tickets. All that cash went right to the VA government.
 
on the upside, my cousin won the lottery 10 years or so ago to the tune of 7.3 million cash payout after taxes, he retired at 36. Told me he had only bought a dozen or so tickets in his life. :D
 
From what I have read over the years...people who can "afford" it play the big lottos (powerball, multimillion dollar pots) and the folks who really cannot afford it play the 'scratchers'

The $100 million etc that is being lost OUT of state, is MOSTLY for those megapot players...(not many NCers driving up to play scratchers at all)

NC..is getting a "scratchers" type lottery...NOT a megaball type! (Since the door is open...the megaball type will eventually show up but years down the road is what the News & Observer said, based on the actual law that was passed)

So...we will STILL see that $100 million PLUS going out of the state BUT, we will be collecting the money now for scratchers...which wasn't going out of state previously.

In other words...for the short run at least...until a megapot style is added, we are simply adding a new lottery for the people who can least afford it.

What is really amazing is...."MOST" folks are against it...for 20 years every time the PEOPLE of North Carolina VOTED on it...it failed, overwhelmingly. But our lawmakers....decided they were tired of asking us, their public, since we obviously didn't vote the way they wanted...so they DIDN'T bring it to a public vote again!?!?!?

My uncle was in the FL school system during the time the lottery was implemented, up until about two years ago. HE is against it as well...the state/county ALWAYS end up taking the money they "would" have sent to the school system and end up letting the lottery pay for it..


HMMMMM...wonder where that money goes? Maybe to their own special pet projects...gee, maybe THAT is why the lawmakers got tired of asking the public to VOTE on this?

EDITED to add below:

IF YOU ARE AGAINST THE LOTTERY...go to the website, get the list of the folks that voted FOR IT. Call YOUR congressperson and let them know about how you feel THEY voted. If they voted FOR it and you are AGAINST it...call them...TELL them you will be voting for someone else in the next election....

If you don't vote...and we don't send the lawmakers packing that vote AGAINST our views...then it is own fault...that is the only way we can make them accountable. VOTE in a new set that are against the lottery..it can be reversed...

BTW...if you are FOR the lottery...please VOTE FOR the lawmakers that supported it! EVERYONE should vote the way they feel...but let them know!

VOTE...VOTE...VOTE...know the facts, read the papers, opinions, listen to BOTH sides! I love my party, but I think they are ALL crooks...I just want MY crooks in office... :) But listen openly to both sides, they are both lying, just try to find what makes sense to you.

If you start voting every election, congrats you are in the top 15% of voters


Sam
 
The NC Senators vote on the lottery bill:


Ayes: Senator(s): Atwater; Basnight; Berger, D.; Boseman; Dalton; Dannelly; Dorsett; Garrou; Graham; Hagan; Holloman; Hoyle; Jenkins; Kerr; Lucas; Malone; Purcell; Rand; Shaw; Snow; Soles; Swindell; Thomas; Weinstein

Noes: Senator(s): Albertson; Allran; Apodaca; Berger, P.; Bingham; Blake; Brock; Clodfelter; Cowell; East; Forrester; Goodall; Hartsell; Horton; Hunt; Jacumin; Kinnaird; Nesbitt; Pittenger; Presnell; Smith; Stevens; Tillman; Webster

Exc. Absence: Senator(s): Brown; Garwood

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/homePage.pl to look up YOUR senator/congressperson.


BTW, I put my money where my mouth is, just got off the phone with my senator (Garrou) and let her office know how I felt about the vote.

Sam
 
sloop said:
I think the lottery is dumb.. our state laws outlaw gambling, but now there is an exception for the state-run lottery. Gambling should be legal, not exploited by our state government.


hhhhmmmm, sounds similar to insurance.... :flipoff2:
 
a friend of mine who was for the lottery emailed some senators a month of so ago. here are some responses:

CORRESPONDENCE:

WHY I DON'T SUPPORT THE LOTTERY

Senator Robert Pittenger (R) Mecklenburg

The North Carolina Legislature faces an ongoing annual structural deficit approaching $2 billion by 2010, according to the NC General Assembly Fiscal Research Department. The Governor and Legislative leadership are desperate to find new sources of revenue to enable them to fund their insatiable thirst for new and expanding programs. The 2005-2006 budget, just passed by the Legislature had the fifth consecutive year of $ 1 billion spending increases. The lottery has been promoted to the public as an "education" lottery in an effort to find acceptance to secure more revenue for wasteful and duplicate programs. If you are assuming that the money would be used to expand education, consider the following: the legislature regularly raids trust accounts designated for transportation, Medicaid, rainy day, clean water, etc. The $17.2 billion budget we just passed raided $ 252 million from the Highway Trust Fund, $ 34 million from the Tobacco Trust Fund (economic development), and $ 50 million from the Medicaid Reserve Fund...remember those are Trust funds. They have raided these funds to pay for other programs, if you wonder why the outer belt and interstate widening are not finished! The “education†lottery fund would only support the annual budget deficit and bloated state spending.



If the democrat leaders in Raleigh truly wanted to provide more funding for education, how about addressing the Fiscal Research Department’s analysis that 35% of the personnel in the public school system are non-classroom administrative/overhead personnel and 45% administrative/overhead personnel in the UNC system. We need to put those resources in the classroom and not in a bloated bureaucracy. Or, how about addressing Medicaid fraud detection which is projected by the General Accounting Office to have at least 10% fraud in the $2.5 billion the state funds in Medicaid, yielding $250 million dollars. Foundation for NC Future's website, www.ncfuture.org, identifies over $1 billion in savings through implementing efficiencies, consolidations and restructuring of state government. Let's manage our government better and use those savings for education. Other states like Massachusetts have saved through efficiencies, consolidations and restructuring of government. They had a $ 3 billion deficit two years ago and today have a $ 700 million surplus, without raising taxes.



The lottery is projected to raise $1 billion and yet only $300 million would net for "education", with the remaining going to the out of state gaming promoters and to the one winner, taking $700 million out of the economy, not spent on goods and services. All of this while exploiting those who can least afford it, creating greater social ills that the state would then have to address and fund by the taxpayers. As my daddy used to say, "all that glitters is not gold". The lottery is not the answer for education – better management of your tax dollars is the solution.

Robert Pittenger

7730 Baltusrol Lane

Charlotte, NC 28210

704-554-0790





I respectfully must disagree with you on your position favoring the lottery. I oppose it primarily because I don't think our government needs to be promoting gambling. There are numerous negative ramifications associated with gambling, including encouraging an attitude of laziness and sloth. I.e. "why work, I might win the lottery" or "I'll just spend a few dollars on the lottery instead of saving money to pay my rent or buy food for the family." These attitudes are destructive to our society.

Further, only about one third of the money raised actually is available to fund education. So in addition to the damage done to our society, this is a very inefficient way to generate government revenues. The remaining two thirds of the money goes for overhead and promotion.

The promotion of gambling is as destructive as gambling itself. We don't need to be teaching our young people that gambling is a legitimate way to make money.

And finally, those spending most on the lottery are those that can least afford it. It is basically a tax being funded by the poor.

Although we disagree on this issue, I appreciate hearing from you.

Sincerely,



Neal Hunt

Thank you for emailing my office supporting an education lottery for North Carolina. Like you, I support a lottery to fund school construction and other important educational needs.



Unfortunately, the Senate fell one vote short of passing a lottery this weekend. We had hoped to gain the votes of a few Senate Republicans who have previously expressed support for a lottery, but it appears that all 21 Senate Republicans remain opposed to the lottery as a “caucus position,†meaning that all 21 members take that position regardless of their personal beliefs.



You might wish to contact other members of the Senate to communicate your opinions about the importance of an education lottery for North Carolina. A full list of Senate members is available at the Internet address listed below: http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/members/memberList.pl?sChamber=Senate



Again, I appreciate your willingness to take the time to share your concerns with me, and I share your belief that an education lottery would help get our schools the resources they need to give our children the opportunities they deserve. Thank you again for contacting my office.



Sincerely yours,

Marc Basnight

keep sending it to the republicans.
thank you for your interest
clark jenkins

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I found myself in agreement with Pittenger the most. Hunt's was pretty lame. Jenkins seems totally lame.
 
I guess I'm more of a "fix the problem" person rather than a "throw money at it"
 
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