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3.25% for a year...!

Thats CD kind of interests, while maintaining immediate access and no loss from withdrawal.
Now you got me looking around a little...
2.85% rate, not an intro rate. I imagine it floats with market and will probably exceed 3.25% in the coming months.

Though the 2.5% cashback and 1.8% savings rate on Alliant is still better for me overall because of the way they stack and not having to move stuff around with transfer fees or delays.
 
Now you got me looking around a little...
2.85% rate, not an intro rate. I imagine it floats with market and will probably exceed 3.25% in the coming months.

Though the 2.5% cashback and 1.8% savings rate on Alliant is still better for me overall because of the way they stack and not having to move stuff around with transfer fees or delays.
I'd use the high yield savings just for parking money larger sums that grows, e.g. backup/emergency funds, not paying off CCs. Although I guess with a HYMM you could do that too, short term, park the $$ that is used to pay off the CC at the end of the money.

Notably - The Fed (or whoever in control of these things) recently removed the restrictions on savings/MM accounts only having 6 withdrawals per month. Don't know if that was intended as a permanent change, but it opens the door to using higher yield accounts for things like auto transfers and auto payments.
 
Alliant just bumped the savings to 2.00% as of today.
 
Didn't know that existed.

How do you cash out ?
It an electronic account, should be easy to do, you lose 3 months of interest if you cash out within 5 years

At 10k for 30 years, pretty wild

but it looks like the rate is based on a few factors including inflation - I bonds interest rates — TreasuryDirect so it might not last but same situation with savings account yields, cd's, etc.

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It an electronic account, should be easy to do, you lose 3 months of interest if you cash out within 5 years

At 10k for 30 years, pretty wild

but it looks like the rate is based on a few factors including inflation - I bonds interest rates — TreasuryDirect so it might not last but same situation with savings account yields, cd's, etc.

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Very interesting.
Not gonna help w/ kid #1 who needs tuition $$ in < 12 months, but kid #2 has about 6.5 years.... this becomes a game of gambling the benefits of a 529 that has tax incentives and free state contributions, but up to market fluctuation, vs this kind of return.... hm.
Do I understand correctly that the rate you buy at today is locked the whole term? Or does it follow the inflation rate?
 
Very interesting.
Not gonna help w/ kid #1 who needs tuition $$ in < 12 months, but kid #2 has about 6.5 years.... this becomes a game of gambling the benefits of a 529 that has tax incentives and free state contributions, but up to market fluctuation, vs this kind of return.... hm.
Do I understand correctly that the rate you buy at today is locked the whole term? Or does it follow the inflation rate?
No


The fixed portion has been zero'ed for a few years you are just collecting the inflation rate currently
 
No


The fixed portion has been zero'ed for a few years you are just collecting the inflation rate currently
I see. So then... you are literally just keeping your money at inflation, so there is no actual gain (or loss). Suddenly not such a fantastic deal. I mean it is vs a savings acct or certainly general market right now, but over a long period.... hopefully not!
 
I see. So then... you are literally just keeping your money at inflation, so there is no actual gain (or loss). Suddenly not such a fantastic deal. I mean it is vs a savings acct or certainly general market right now, but over a long period.... hopefully not!

Not a fantastic deal in the grand scheme of things, but where can you get 9% right now on anything?

Put the money in this for the short term, and then move money out of it when things are recovering and you can make it better in the market
 
Not a fantastic deal in the grand scheme of things, but where can you get 9% right now on anything?
Its a valid point. Basically a means of limiting hemorrhaging more than anything.
 
Alliant raised their savings rate to 2.2% yesterday. I like having that option because my monthly operational money can live there and transfer in and out as needed pretty quickly.
 
Several places are >4% now.
This is getting to the point of being better to send the extra mortgage payment money there instead
 
Several places are >4% now.
This is getting to the point of being better to send the extra mortgage payment money there instead

I never do extra payments because overall the market should beat it. Do the math and unless you want to just be debt free with the house you will be ahead investing it.
 
I never do extra payments because overall the market should beat it. Do the math and unless you want to just be debt free with the house you will be ahead investing it.
yes and no. For me its a mix, I'd like to not have the debt when I retire so I'm doing just enough that it would be gone by then. But also over the last year the market has been so volitile and flat that it has not been better.
Plus you have to keep in mind you'll owe additional income tax on the gain from investment, whether it is a market or savings. So it has to be ~30% greater difference just to break even, then you have account fees etc.
Thats why I mention savings is now around that point, my mortgage is 2.5%, after tax on the above account I'd be bringing home something like 2.8%. Not a huge difference, but it does have the advantage of being more liquid if needed.

Also, I know it seems kind of silly but I set up the extra payment at the time of refi just so I had that low-cost debt as something to dip into the in the future. Say I wanted to borrow money later, instead of taking a new lan at todays higher interest rates I could "borrow" it from my mortgage payment thats at a mouch lower rate. You can't actually not pay the primary payment, but you can certainly stop any extra. Purely a psychological thing.
 
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unless you want to just be debt free with the house
This. Biggest constant financial burden in my life. I'd like for it to not be there.
 
Hows everyone feeling about this thread into he wake of the SIVB news.

This is going to be huge.

It’s going to fundamentally change american business and create even more government over reach
 
Hows everyone feeling about this thread into he wake of the SIVB news.

This is going to be huge.

It’s going to fundamentally change american business and create even more government over reach

Same thing that could happen with any bank with enough of the rich causing it to happen, which is really what happened here.

I think more than this one will have to fall for gov to step in to really happen right now. They will bail this one out I bet
 
Same thing that could happen with any bank with enough of the rich causing it to happen, which is really what happened here.

I think more than this one will have to fall for gov to step in to really happen right now. They will bail this one out I bet
Maybe but we are talking 10+BB AND the run is on Monday Am…
 
Hows everyone feeling about this thread into he wake of the SIVB news.

This is going to be huge.

It’s going to fundamentally change american business and create even more government over reach
I'm not worried yet. I moved a lot of my cash $$ to UFB Direct, which is an online-only bank.... but it's a division of Axios which is one of the bigest and oldest in the country. Seems reasonably safe bet.
I mean... FDIC covers $250k per person per bank. Functionally 2x that for a joint account. So unless you have a snotpile of cash on hand AND are not diversified across institutions AND don't have a spouse joint on any accounts it seems unlikley any of us will be hit too hard.
EDIT - For businesses where the sums will be much much larger - obviously FDIC isn't going to come close to covering you, and it may be another story, don't know if thats what you're really thinking about. Those guys who used SVB are fucked.
I'm not convinced there will be a giant run everywhere or that it's going to spread.
 
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They will bail this one out I bet
and we have a winner already
which means
eh, no biggie, Uncle Sam (and all us taxpayers) got yo back
 
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So can some of yall brainiacs explain this to me a little better? We are with a fairly small online only credit union (Civic Federal). Not real thrilled about no branches and no way to deposit cash, but really like the bank. From what I understand, NCUA insures accounts to 250k so I have no worries.
 
So can some of yall brainiacs explain this to me a little better? We are with a fairly small online only credit union (Civic Federal). Not real thrilled about no branches and no way to deposit cash, but really like the bank. From what I understand, NCUA insures accounts to 250k so I have no worries.
#1 thing you need to know is that FDIC covers everything up to $250k per person per account type. So from that standpoint you really have nothing to sweat until you're dealing wit ha lot of money, and if you need more head room open another account in your wife's name and split it.

#2 if you want a more detail explanation of the situation, one of my friends posted this on FB this morning, which I felt was pretty comprehensive.
March 12, 2023 (Sunday)
At 6:15 this evening, Secretary of the Treasury Janet L. Yellen, Federal Reserve Board Chair Jerome H. Powell, and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) Chairman Martin J. Gruenberg announced that Secretary Yellen has signed off on measures to enable the FDIC to fully protect everyone who had money in Silicon Valley Bank, Santa Clara, California, and Signature Bank, New York. They will have access to all of their money starting Monday, March 13. None of the losses associated with this resolution, the statement said, “will be borne by the taxpayer.”

But, it continued, “Shareholders and certain unsecured debtholders will not be protected. Senior management has also been removed. Any losses to the Deposit Insurance Fund to support uninsured depositors will be recovered by a special assessment on banks, as required by law.”
The statement ended by assuring Americans that “the U.S. banking system remains resilient and on a solid foundation, in large part due to reforms that were made after the financial crisis that ensured better safeguards for the banking industry. Those reforms combined with today's actions demonstrate our commitment to take the necessary steps to ensure that depositors' savings remain safe.”

It’s been quite a weekend.

On Friday, Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) failed in the largest bank failure since 2008. At the end of December 2022, SVB appears to have had about $209 billion in total assets and about $175 billion in deposits. This made SVB the sixteenth largest bank in the U.S., big in its sector but small compared with the more than $3 trillion JPMorgan Chase. This is the first bank failure of the Biden presidency (while Donald Trump Jr. tweeted that he had not heard of any bank failures during his father’s presidency, there were sixteen, eight of which happened before the pandemic). In fact, generally, a few banks fail every year; it is an oddity that none failed in 2021 or 2022.
The failure of SVB created shock waves for three reasons. First, SVB was the major bank for technology start-ups, so it involved much of a single sector of the economy. Second, only about $8 billion of the $173 billion worth of deposits in SVB were less than the $250,000 that the FDIC insures, meaning that the companies who had made those deposits might not get their money back quickly and thus might not be able to make payrolls, sparking a larger crisis. Third, there was concern that the problems that plagued SVB might cause other banks to fail, as well.

What seems to have happened, though, appears to be specific to SVB. Bloomberg’s Matt Levine explained it most clearly:
As the bank for start-ups, which have a lot of cash from investors and the initial public offering of stock, SVB had lots of deposits. But start-up companies don’t need much in the way of loans because they’ve just gotten so much cash and they don’t yet have fixed assets. So, rather than balancing deposits with loans that fluctuate with interest rates and thus keep a bank on an even keel, SVB’s directors took a gamble that the Federal Reserve would not raise interest rates. They invested in long-term Treasury bonds that paid better interest rates than short-term securities. But when, in fact, interest rates went up, the value of those long-term bonds sank.
For most banks, higher interest rates are good news because they can charge more for loans. But for SVB, they hurt.
Then, because SVB concentrated on start-ups, they had another problem. Start-ups are also hurt by rising interest rates because they tend to promise to deliver returns in the long term, which is fine so long as interest rates stay steadily low, as they have been now for years. But as interest rates go up, investors tend to like faster returns than most start-ups can deliver. They take their money to places that are going to see returns sooner. For SVB, that meant their depositors began to need some of that money they had dumped into the bank and started to withdraw their deposits.

So SVB sold securities at a loss to cover those deposits. Other investors panicked as they saw SVB selling at a loss and losing deposits, and they, too, started yanking their money out of the bank, collapsing it. Banks that have a more diverse client base are less likely to lose everyone all at once.
The FDIC took control of the bank on Friday. On Sunday, regulators also shut down Signature Bank, based in New York, which was a major bank for the cryptocurrency industry. Another crypto-friendly bank, Silvergate, failed last week.

Congress created the FDIC under the Banking Act of 1933 to restore trust in the American banking system after more than a third of U.S. banks failed after the Great Crash of 1929, sparking runs on banks as depositors rushed to take out their money whenever rumors suggested a bank was in trouble, thus causing more failures. The FDIC is an independent agency that insures deposits, examines and supervises banks to make sure they’re healthy, and manages the fallout when they’re not. The FDIC is backed by the full faith and credit of the government, but it is not funded by the government. Member banks pay insurance dues to cover bank failures, and when that isn’t enough money, the FDIC can borrow from the federal government or issue debt.

Over the weekend, the crisis at SVB became a larger argument over the role of government in the protection of the economy. Tech leaders took to social media to insist that the government must cover all the deposits in the failed bank, not just the ones covered under FDIC. They warned that the companies whose deposits were uninsured would fail, taking down the rest of the economy with them.

Others noted that the very men who were arguing the government should protect all the depositors’ money, not just that protected under the FDIC, have been vocal in opposing both government regulation of their industry and government relief for student loan debt, suggesting that they hate government action…except for themselves. They also pointed out that in 2018, under Trump, Congress weakened government regulations for banks like SVB and that SVB’s president had been a leading advocate for weakening those regulations. Had those regulations been in place, they argue, SVB would have remained solvent.

It appears that Yellen, Powell, and Gruenberg, in consultation with the president (as required), concluded that the collapse of SVB and Signature Bank was a systemic threat to the nation’s whole financial system, or perhaps they concluded that the panic over that collapse—which is a different thing than the collapse itself—was a threat to the nation’s financial system. They apparently decided to backstop the banks to prevent more damage. But they are eager to remind people that they are not using taxpayer money to shore up a poorly managed bank.

Right now, this appears to leave us with two takeaways. The Biden administration had been considering tightening the banking regulations that were loosened under Trump, and it seems likely that the need for the federal government to step in to protect the depositors at SVB and Signature Bank will make it much harder for those opposed to regulation to keep that from happening. There will likely be increased pressure on the Biden administration to guard against helping out the wealthy and corporations rather than ordinary Americans.

The TL;DR is that SVB had a unique business model that made it particularly susceptible to the change in interest rates AND bad juju from account holder making withdrawals quickly. The right circumstances caused them to crash. At the moment, unless mass panic occurs, its not very likely to affect most normal banks and credit unions.
 
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