Owning a Dog

drkelly said:
So you think Fox 8 News made it up?
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I read an article this AM about food prices. The reporter said that prices had doubled since last month, and even worse, they cost 50% more than they did last year.

Do I think the reporter is making things up? No. Do I think he's bad with math? Yes.

And yeah, they showed a dead dog.
 
You discredit agencies that provide the statistics (including the government), you discredit the media,I bet you also discredit geologists and believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
 
Nissan11 said:
You discredit agencies that provide the statistics (including the government), you discredit the media,I bet you also discredit geologists and believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
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What's up, straw man? I see you brought your buddy ad hominem, too.
 
Nissan11 said:
You discredit agencies that provide the statistics (including the government), you discredit the media,I bet you also discredit geologists and believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
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I discredit sources that aren't credible. Show me solid evidence supporting that the earth is older than that, that's what I'll go with. Show me solid eveidence that it's 6000th birthday is tomorrow at 8:23 pm I'll help you throw a party to celebrate.

And yes I will discredit any government agency that is providing me with information that isn't completely factual, I would hope you'd do the same, otherwise you're putting way too much stock into a group of notoriously corrupt organazations that happen to be in charge. The government denied that the chemicals in the groundwater at Camp Lejune could be causing health problems for years, yet we're learning now that they were full of crap. How do we know this info wasn't published as part of a deal between p.e.t.a. (yep, they are anti pit bull too) and some senator for making him a lead supporter to up his public approval rating? Not that I have proof that it was, but would such an act from the same people that sent companies they owned to rebuild a country they sent out the orders to go to war with suprise you that much?
 
Any dog, just like any human, is capable of bad things.

Just my $.02 as a long time dog owner (currently have an American Bulldog/Lab Mix and a Boxer/Border Collie Mix).
 
They truly are, which is why proper socialization and supervision as well as proper containent on your property are vital to keeping your pet both safe and out of trouble. Training goes a long way, a proper fence goes much farther. No matter wheter you have a mastiff or a maltese.
 
DemonDave said:
I discredit sources that aren't credible. Show me solid evidence supporting that the earth is older than that, that's what I'll go with.
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Awwwww... come on, don't bite on those. Call out the fallacies for what they are, then leave them alone.

You're already making the hopeful, optimistic argument here. Don't give any credence to nightmares, ghost stories, or epic mythical beasts that snatch babies from their mothers in the night.

JordanA said:
Border Collie Mix
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That's a dangerous animal, son. You know those dogs were trained to nip at the hooves of sheep, right? That dog is only a moment away from ripping out your throat.
 
DemonDave said:
Simple, when a lab bites a kid it's seen as a "freak accident" and likely never makes the news. If a Cane Corso in Spartanburg SC growls at a bird it's on the morning news in Los Angleles as a large pit bull attacking a pet mockingbird. When a lab attacks a neighbors kid, the kid must have been tormenting it, or it's a "rare case" but when a malnourished pit bull on a chain is getting beaten by the neighbors kids and it bites one, the dog was a "viscious killer" and gets passed around the country by the Associated Press. 20 years ago you never heard about pit bulls because the Rottwieler was the breed of choice for the media to portray as a horrible animal, 10 years before that it was the Doberman. The dogs haven't changed....
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The Corso is the best breed of dog I've ever owned. Very well behaved, great social skills (start any dog young with socialization), great drive & very obedient, great with children & no better protection for your family. Had Diesel trained at Tarheel Canine in Sanford for OB classes (will go back for his PSA training soon).
Doing some training:
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After his crop:
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Pic of him at 1.5yrs (140lbs):
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Sorry, any time some body mentions a Corso I get proud.
 
I'm niether agreeing or disagreeing on the age of our planet, simply stating that I support the things that I can back up as the truth. If bigfoot walks up and sits down in front of me I won't deny that he exists simply because the government says he doesn't. Either way, I'll gladly argue the truth against falsified statistic any day of the week. 82% of people belive anything they see on the news anyway though....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK6zjtUj00
 
Altoids, that's a beautiful Corso, didn't mention him in any way you took badly I hope, like any breed proper training and socialization is the key to having a great dog.
 
DemonDave said:
Altoids, that's a beautiful Corso, didn't mention him in any way you took badly I hope, like any breed proper training and socialization is the key to having a great dog.
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Nah, I didn't take it badly. Just saw opportunity to put up some pics of my little buddy. You wouldn't believe how many times I get "thats the biggest pit I've ever seen" or "what's your pit mixed with" so ya see the majority of people are uneducated as to breed specific characteristics. Just b/c he's got a big head, brindle, muscular, etc... he's some sort of "pit" by most peoples view. Corso breed has been around for hundreds of years by the way, but just imported to the USA in the early 80's from southern Italy. Pretty sure they don't have problems with them over there. Usually a different story when an uneducated owner gets one over here (usually for unsavory reasons) which I do not condone.
 
Nissan, what is your argument?
First it was that "#1 number one breed for attacks on humans is the AKC registered pit bull"

It was pointed out that there is no AKC registered pitbull and it was changed to I Meant CKC.

I asked for the study and you post something that describes the most deadly attacks.

Do you not see these aren't the same.

This is the way your logic is working to me right now:
There are a lot more car wrecks than plane crashes.
You are statistically a lot more likely to be in a car wreck than a plane crash.

Your conclusion:
You are more likely to survive a plane crash than to survive a car wreck.

I think most agree that pits do more damage than most other breeds when they bite.
I am not sure that pits bite anywhere near as often as a lot of other breeds.
 
Ron said:
Nissan, what is your argument?
First it was that "#1 number one breed for attacks on humans is the AKC registered pit bull"
It was pointed out that there is no AKC registered pitbull and it was changed to I Meant CKC.
I asked for the study and you post something that describes the most deadly attacks.
Do you not see these aren't the same.
This is the way your logic is working to me right now:
There are a lot more car wrecks than plane crashes.
You are statistically a lot more likely to be in a car wreck than a plane crash.
Your conclusion:
You are more likely to survive a plane crash than to survive a car wreck.
I think most agree that pits do more damage than most other breeds when they bite.
I am not sure that pits bite anywhere near as often as a lot of other breeds.
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An airplane is not a kind of car, so explain to me again how your comparison relates to this discussion about different species of dogs.

I've presented statistics. I can present a ton of articles written by media on fatal pittbull attacks. But, like I said, I'm not changing anyones mind and I'm done beating this dead horse (no pun intended).
Its too bad the media doesn't report all the fatal dachshund and collie attacks, that would shut me up.
If someone can provide statistics from numerous sources that REFUTE my statistics, that would also shut me up.
If you own a pittbull, cool, I am like, totally going to be intimidated when you pass me on the sidewalk and stuff.

For me, though, I'm not going to own a dog that gets my homeowners cancelled.

Focker out!
 
I'm able to drum up as much disproof of your statistics as you wish, although you'll then claim that your stats still hold true because you belive them. As far as being intimidated, by all means don't, my pups love people. The older female will actually sit in front of you and whimper until you speak to her. She also usually rides with me to pay my homeowners, they like her too...
 
Man no talk for an hour now! This has been entertaining, but in looking back through all the replies I believe I can only come up with one real conclusion and thats that none of us do anything productive all day while we're supposed to be working.
 
Debating the pro and cons of owning a pit bull and whether there is an apparent government conspiracy to exterminate the pit bull race seems productive to me.

oh and the earth is 6 years old or something as well:lol:
 
You forgot, dead horses are for beating not eating and bigfoot buys parts at the Ford dealership.
 
Dang, that purpleTJchick sure nows how to start a fire :popcorn:

Even though I'm not a fan of the APBT, I think it's unfortunate that a lot of these dogs dont get sociailized and trained properly by their owners, and the breeds reputation suffers.
 
This thread is bullshit.
 
DemonDave said:
You forgot, dead horses are for beating not eating and bigfoot buys parts at the Ford dealership.
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Bigfoot Drives a Ford?I am let down.Has no one told him that Jeep makes the most capable off road packages available?I would think living out in the snowy woods,he would know that,plus Jeep heat is second to none.
 
Suprisingly, he was here yesterday getting Focus parts. I was disappointed myself. He did mention something about going to the birthday party for the earth this weekend though.
 
I have to comment about this......

I have several dogs....The 3 inside have been raised the same by all means. Our black lab/mix is very layed back and can careless about whats going on around her (unless u mess w/me). Our jack russel mix is very protective will snap at strangers (dogs or people). And our pure breed long-haired dachschund is very sweet, loves people she gets excited and dances up your leg but scared to death of stranger dogs.

All 3 are very different, don't think it's how they are raised!
Like our 2 daughters very different as well....Must be the genes....

Pittbulls are very aggressive to me. When they bite, they bite damn good!
Just saying..........

I know this thread was coming to an end, the jokes always close the threads when there is a debate...lol
But had to say my thought.
 
DemonDave and saftsissors, you proved to be worthy advorsaries. You didnt change my mind, but for a moment you made me question my stats, therefore, victory is yours.
 
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