Propane vs Heating oil?

FWIW I do know straight cut/split wood is better (cheaper) than pellet wood and the buildup is way less due to the lack of burning the bonding agents in the pellets inside of a burn box. All the ones I’ve been around a real heavy gauge stainless with the water coil over the box and pipes underground to the house then another coil in the heat exchanger. Pretty simple really but they do require maintenance.
Yes. Ours was free draft. FIL was a draft on demand. 500 gallon and 250 gallon respectively. No solar on the second. Both consume more wood than most folks realize when it is the source. The thermal banking sounds great but I'm not wholly convinced on the loss of energy in the piping, condenser, and the fact it bleeds energy while idling between heat demand. Even a well insulated system spread out over many feet of pipe, pumps, and the water storage tank is a huge draw. When you place an entire wheel barrow load into it sometimes 3 times a day it gets really labor demanding. Two was average and we burned almost all seasoned split hardwood. The other greatest deficit.....it isn't steam so below 212 is all you get. Sounds plenty hot til you blow air all over it and send it 30 plus feet down a insulated duct. It's warmer than a heat pump but colder by far when compared to the oil furnace.
 
Fuel source is only part of the equation.
A full blown, by-gawd burner and forced air does not heat as well as a boiler system. Just don't get one that uses a water tower as a tank.
My tankless system with baseboard heat keeps us warm and uses around 300 gal a year.
 
In a similar place as you. We only have a monitor heater in the house. No ac and have to use electric in bedrooms.

Why no heat pump. You could put a propane gas pack on it and get the best of both.

If you don't have natural gas it's gonna be expensive. I have a high pressure line across the street and they said it would be 1500-2000 to do a reducing slit and get it to my house unless 2 more neighbors close by wanted it.
 
Fuel source is only part of the equation.
A full blown, by-gawd burner and forced air does not heat as well as a boiler system. Just don't get one that uses a water tower as a tank.
My tankless system with baseboard heat keeps us warm and uses around 300 gal a year.
Are you referring to oil heat?
 
In a similar place as you. We only have a monitor heater in the house. No ac and have to use electric in bedrooms.

Why no heat pump. You could put a propane gas pack on it and get the best of both.

If you don't have natural gas it's gonna be expensive. I have a high pressure line across the street and they said it would be 1500-2000 to do a reducing slit and get it to my house unless 2 more neighbors close by wanted it.
This is why I asked. I guess you referred to a system requiring a propane stand alone tank? Then the auxiliary heat below a set point is propane like a electric furnace would be in a older system?
 
This is why I asked. I guess you referred to a system requiring a propane stand alone tank? Then the auxiliary heat below a set point is propane like a electric furnace would be in a older system?
Propane or natural gas. Heat pumps are going to be the most efficient and cheapest until it the outside gets down below 40-25 depending on system. Then instead of using emergency heat (basically big as electric heater) it switches to gas which would be more efficient. If you currently have an hvac system "most" you can add a gas pack to. On a new system I've been typically quoted an extra 1500-2500 per unit. Not sure of the cost of adding one to an existing
 
Propane or natural gas. Heat pumps are going to be the most efficient and cheapest until it the outside gets down below 40-25 depending on system. Then instead of using emergency heat (basically big as electric heater) it switches to gas which would be more efficient. If you currently have an hvac system "most" you can add a gas pack to. On a new system I've been typically quoted an extra 1500-2500 per unit. Not sure of the cost of adding one to an existing
This is what we had in our house in Lewisville. It was the shizzit. Original owners converted from just oil to the oil being a backup for the heat pump.
We'd only burn maybe 100 gal of oil in a winter, with it running only on really cold days.
 
This is why I asked. I guess you referred to a system requiring a propane stand alone tank? Then the auxiliary heat below a set point is propane like a electric furnace would be in a older system?
This is how I'm setup, I had Oil heat when I bought my house, I added a heat pump, The heat pump runs down to 35 Degrees, then the oil heat kicks in, I use roughly 100 Gallons of Oil a year, and my monthly electic bill usually runs around $150 to $200 a month year round, I have a pretty small house (980sqft + Finished Basement) that's really well insulated to though. It's a hard setup to beat for efficiency, only way it could be better is if I had access to Natural Gas...
 
What is so bad about this house that you're not willing to tighten it up?
 
What is so bad about this house that you're not willing to tighten it up?
The exterior walls of a large part are 16 inches thick hand made bricks. No vapor barrier or air gap. The windows in this portion are set in wood frames laid in said walls to lock them in. All single pane with a storm window added. The floor is single layer over hand hewn logs. Insulation added between logs and years of bracing and jacks......like 30 or more jacks. Rooms 10 foot ceilings. Roof has round poles supporting some of the tongue and groove sheathing some is rough cut. Has a blown in insulation of the older type. Crawl space varies from tunnel rats nightmare to hand dug. Has vapor barrier several seasonal vents. The walls in the deepest of the dug out portions were all poorly executed. They are falling, buckled, and cracks with day light and rain water that comes in and floods. The exterior walls of the greater structure have running cracks from top to bottom in three areas, btw all those walls have zero footing. This is the reason for the interlaced wide brick work of 16 inches. The front room we call the TV space and the only bath room was an L shaped front porch. Addition number one. The rear room we use as a mud room and pantry was rolled up the hill and attached. It was an older separate kitchen. You know when cooking fires heated and or destroyed homes. Absolutely Everytime these additions got done it was with the most frugal means possible. Family ancestor was a carpenter, however like two buildings I have had to deal with everything was done with the drops or lefts overs when possible. I've repaired plumbing with cast iron, copper, PVC and CPVC in 24 inches of each other.

My wife nor I want to pour our money into a structure that has out lived it's time. Absolutely nothing is normal about this home. It's a literal patch work of 100 years. To bring it into normal building standards with the age and condition of the whole I could spend an awful lot and still be patching over a foundation of crumbling dry rotted pine and clay bricks. For example the earlier mentioned windows, if I dug into them much they turn into brittle chips. Layers of paint is holding a lot of it together.
Now the biggest issue. The home isn't ours. We live here and take care of it essentially. We have zero ownership of it or the property. It's a mess of a child being promised a portion with the constraints of getting that portion only after death. Setting said child up in a sort of hostage situation of never understanding the commitment to wait out those years. Almost an obligation and a curse. A blessing but a burden. Never entertaining making ones own investment because of the house provided. I married into it. I didn't learn enough about the current to fully grasp relocating to a home that you can't use as equity or make serious changes too without permission. I wasn't mislead but I was ignorant to the long game. I made assumptions and they are wrong. Me and the wife should have walked away and invested in ourselves. This old house could have just sat. Now we are years behind that possibility. The time and money invested here we should have used to build our own home.
 
The exterior walls of a large part are 16 inches thick hand made bricks. No vapor barrier or air gap. The windows in this portion are set in wood frames laid in said walls to lock them in. All single pane with a storm window added. The floor is single layer over hand hewn logs. Insulation added between logs and years of bracing and jacks......like 30 or more jacks. Rooms 10 foot ceilings. Roof has round poles supporting some of the tongue and groove sheathing some is rough cut. Has a blown in insulation of the older type. Crawl space varies from tunnel rats nightmare to hand dug. Has vapor barrier several seasonal vents. The walls in the deepest of the dug out portions were all poorly executed. They are falling, buckled, and cracks with day light and rain water that comes in and floods. The exterior walls of the greater structure have running cracks from top to bottom in three areas, btw all those walls have zero footing. This is the reason for the interlaced wide brick work of 16 inches. The front room we call the TV space and the only bath room was an L shaped front porch. Addition number one. The rear room we use as a mud room and pantry was rolled up the hill and attached. It was an older separate kitchen. You know when cooking fires heated and or destroyed homes. Absolutely Everytime these additions got done it was with the most frugal means possible. Family ancestor was a carpenter, however like two buildings I have had to deal with everything was done with the drops or lefts overs when possible. I've repaired plumbing with cast iron, copper, PVC and CPVC in 24 inches of each other.

My wife nor I want to pour our money into a structure that has out lived it's time. Absolutely nothing is normal about this home. It's a literal patch work of 100 years. To bring it into normal building standards with the age and condition of the whole I could spend an awful lot and still be patching over a foundation of crumbling dry rotted pine and clay bricks. For example the earlier mentioned windows, if I dug into them much they turn into brittle chips. Layers of paint is holding a lot of it together.
Now the biggest issue. The home isn't ours. We live here and take care of it essentially. We have zero ownership of it or the property. It's a mess of a child being promised a portion with the constraints of getting that portion only after death. Setting said child up in a sort of hostage situation of never understanding the commitment to wait out those years. Almost an obligation and a curse. A blessing but a burden. Never entertaining making ones own investment because of the house provided. I married into it. I didn't learn enough about the current to fully grasp relocating to a home that you can't use as equity or make serious changes too without permission. I wasn't mislead but I was ignorant to the long game. I made assumptions and they are wrong. Me and the wife should have walked away and invested in ourselves. This old house could have just sat. Now we are years behind that possibility. The time and money invested here we should have used to build our own home.
Yikes. The not owing it part is really the worst. I don't blame you for not pouring money into it. Sounds like you need to cut your losses and finally another living situation.

I used to rent a smaller version of your house. It was originally built in the 1800s on rock piers, no footings. It was only about 18" off the ground, no vapor barrier etc. Had quite a few logs propping up sagging spots. The only insulation on/in the walls was a layer of 1/2" polystyrene that was added in the 70s when they put on vinyl siding. Someone added a office building type drop ceiling to cut down on the heated area. Looked really nice 🙄. The first winter we lived there after we got married, we ran through the heating oil. I then put in a propane brick heater to supplement but my wife claimed the smell gave her headaches. What worked best for us was space heaters. The light bill was a lot cheaper than that fuel oil bill.
 
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