Propane vs Heating oil?

WARRIORWELDING

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Been pondering heating expenses. Propane vs Heating should the need arise to gut or reconfigure heating arrangements.

And no heat pumps are out.

Thoughts?
 
Been pondering heating expenses. Propane vs Heating should the need arise to gut or reconfigure heating arrangements.

And no heat pumps are out.

Thoughts?
As the primary or backup?
If this is just a cost question,. you can look up the typical heat output (in therms) per unit, then dollar per uinit, and derive cost per therm. That at least tells you what costs more to heat the house.

If its only backup to be used rarely... oil does have the advantage that you can get it in small batches cheaper by going to a country gas station with farm diesel and get yourself 10 gal at a time or whatever and burn that, its usually way less than the delivered cost. Hard to do similar w/ propane.
 
As the primary or backup?
If this is just a cost question,. you can look up the typical heat output (in therms) per unit, then dollar per uinit, and derive cost per therm. That at least tells you what costs more to heat the house.

If its only backup to be used rarely... oil does have the advantage that you can get it in small batches cheaper by going to a country gas station with farm diesel and get yourself 10 gal at a time or whatever and burn that, its usually way less than the delivered cost. Hard to do similar w/ propane.
Other than the mentioned "back-up", to my knowledge, Heating Oil has always been the most expensive.
 
As the primary or backup?
If this is just a cost question,. you can look up the typical heat output (in therms) per unit, then dollar per uinit, and derive cost per therm. That at least tells you what costs more to heat the house.

If its only backup to be used rarely... oil does have the advantage that you can get it in small batches cheaper by going to a country gas station with farm diesel and get yourself 10 gal at a time or whatever and burn that, its usually way less than the delivered cost. Hard to do similar w/ propane.
Full time use. BTU wise hardly anything beats heating oil. But a recent article I read says a projected 16 percent increase this winter.

Our old house is horrible. We bought last year almost monthly to help with cost.......and it was 100 gallons a trip. Company stated it really didn't matter because they didn't sell by any volume margin at our size tank. Tank is estimated at 500 gallons.
 
As for insulation not much else can be added in a cost effective way. Before I sunk that much into bringing 1890 through 1950 up to date I'll live in my camper. The wife isn't that onboard though. If it wasn't the fear of the house being a tinder box I would line a chimney and put in a wood stove.
 
With your ability and a little bit of networking I can’t see how a waste oil setup (free) would be out of the question. Farm shop I worked in growing up had one and it was t-shirt weather in December in Northern Michigan. Plenty of farmers and such that would be more than willing to get rid of plenty at the end of the summer season. Hell, I’ve got probably 15 gallons you could have cause I can only start so many bonfires in a given period lol. (I’m no @jeepinmatt !)
 
With your ability and a little bit of networking I can’t see how a waste oil setup (free) would be out of the question. Farm shop I worked in growing up had one and it was t-shirt weather in December in Northern Michigan.
All the ones I've been around needed lots of TLC pending the fuel source. I also like the idea of insurance not bailing because of a Frankenstein heat source. Even if I did wood heat in a stove or wood furnace that sucker will be UL rated or whatever. If it hits that fan I need a home and I sure can't afford one.
 
With your ability and a little bit of networking I can’t see how a waste oil setup (free) would be out of the question. Farm shop I worked in growing up had one and it was t-shirt weather in December in Northern Michigan. Plenty of farmers and such that would be more than willing to get rid of plenty at the end of the summer season. Hell, I’ve got probably 15 gallons you could have cause I can only start so many bonfires in a given period lol. (I’m no @jeepinmatt !)
Its nearly impossible to find free waste oil now sicne it became so popular.
 
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All the ones I've been around needed lots of TLC pending the fuel source. I also like the idea of insurance not bailing because of a Frankenstein heat source. Even if I did wood heat in a stove or wood furnace that sucker will be UL rated or whatever. If it hits that fan I need a home and I sure can't afford one.
Outdoor burner away from the house/shop and run waterlines to the air handler?
 
Coal.
Really? Dude that slaps like a middle finger. I'm worried about pipes freezing and my ass needing eight blankets. I can't afford coal to blacksmith as a hobby.
 
Outdoor burner away from the house/shop and run waterlines to the air handler?
Funny we had a solar, wood unit. Efficient but I spent every single free moment cutting wood or feeding that thing. It rotted out so badly patching it would have been a yearly exercise.

However......if fuel oil does what I read it may come to that again and I'll be tied to the chainsaw and wood splitter again. The solar portion was mediocre but helped. Still have all 5 panels up on the stands. Big heavy suckers full of water.
 
Outdoor burner away from the house/shop and run waterlines to the air handler?
A man down the street [I never meet] has or had, an outdoor building almost like an outhouse. I'm told it was a wood chip burner, that I guess heated a water tank, which was plumbed to the house. Radiators or radiant heat? I don't know what he used it for. I don't think it's in service now. Many of the fireplace wood chip burners, went the way of the Edsel.
 
Funny we had a solar, wood unit. Efficient but I spent every single free moment cutting wood or feeding that thing. It rotted out so badly patching it would have been a yearly exercise.

However......if fuel oil does what I read it may come to that again and I'll be tied to the chainsaw and wood splitter again. The solar portion was mediocre but helped. Still have all 5 panels up on the stands. Big heavy suckers full of water.
Guess it’s the choice of labor vs. $$. I know I never like cutting spring wood to season for the winter but I know it was a lot cheaper for my folks while I was growing up than paying for 1,000 gallon of fuel oil that would maybe make it through 1/2 the winter. Few years back they got a NG line past the house and dad switch the boiler over to run gas. Way cleaner and cost effective so they haven’t used wood except for the fireplace on rare occasion since. Also, even though the fuel oil was in a confined burner it was noticeable the cleanliness in the house not having the suit that we never even new existed from the old burner.
 
A man down the street [I never meet] has or had, an outdoor building almost like an outhouse. I'm told it was a wood chip burner, that I guess heated a water tank, which was plumbed to the house. Radiators or radiant heat? I don't know what he used it for. I don't think it's in service now. Many of the fireplace wood chip burners, went the way of the Edsel.
They make corn burners too. I was hoping to get feedback on the real question. You know Propane or maybe Natural Gas. If we had a line I would have already tapped on.
 
As for insulation not much else can be added in a cost effective way. Before I sunk that much into bringing 1890 through 1950 up to date I'll live in my camper.
I'm afraid you're at an impass then.

Ideally you want to create an envelope conducive to maintaining a temperature and not throw BTU at an open hole.

What you're doing is trying to make the wagon queen family truckster reach 200mph with engine alone and not addressing aerodynamics, Clark
 
A man down the street [I never meet] has or had, an outdoor building almost like an outhouse. I'm told it was a wood chip burner, that I guess heated a water tank, which was plumbed to the house. Radiators or radiant heat? I don't know what he used it for. I don't think it's in service now. Many of the fireplace wood chip burners, went the way of the Edsel.
I can’t seem to find a distributor around here but up north the outdoor hot water burners are all the rage. Of course the temp requirements for an actual winter and the source of good burning hardwood is better too.
 
They make corn burners too. I was hoping to get feedback on the real question. You know Propane or maybe Natural Gas. If we had a line I would have already tapped on.
Sorry just throwing alternatives out there that don’t require being tied to “the man”. But I get it for sure….
 
Guess it’s the choice of labor vs. $$. I know I never like cutting spring wood to season for the winter but I know it was a lot cheaper for my folks while I was growing up than paying for 1,000 gallon of fuel oil that would maybe make it through 1/2 the winter. Few years back they got a NG line past the house and dad switch the boiler over to run gas. Way cleaner and cost effective so they haven’t used wood except for the fireplace on rare occasion since. Also, even though the fuel oil was in a confined burner it was noticeable the cleanliness in the house not having the suit that we never even new existed from the old burner.
I'm with you on wood. It's all my cool weekends where since I was a little feller carrying wood and limbing trees with a hatchet. I got plum worn out feeding two families needs for several seasons as Davie resident. Before that four families, my kin would share the load between them. When I married the two mentioned heated exclusively with wood. Father in law and my wife. Her dad, "Old Feller" refused to spend a dime on maintenance chemicals and both stoves fell apart within a year of each other. The oil was in place so the switch was flipped. He was in his eighties.
Shit of all things I may need another job to manage heating cost.
 
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I'm afraid you're at an impass then.

Ideally you want to create an envelope conducive to maintaining a temperature and not throw BTU at an open hole.

What you're doing is trying to make the wagon queen family truckster reach 200mph with engine alone and not addressing aerodynamics, Clark
It would take a campfire and a bottle to fully explain the fuckery I'm in with this house. When I built my shop it was the worst mistake ever. Me and the wife should have relocated.
 
I'm with you on wood. It's all my cool weekends where since I was a little feller crying wood and limbing trees with a hatchet. I got plum worn out feeding two families needs for several seasons. Both heated exclusively with wood. Old feller refused to spend a dime on maintenance chemicals and both stoves fell apart within a year of each other. The oil was in place so the switch was flipped.
Shit of all things I may need another job to manage heating cost.
FWIW I do know straight cut/split wood is better (cheaper) than pellet wood and the buildup is way less due to the lack of burning the bonding agents in the pellets inside of a burn box. All the ones I’ve been around a real heavy gauge stainless with the water coil over the box and pipes underground to the house then another coil in the heat exchanger. Pretty simple really but they do require maintenance.
 
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