Property Tax Increase (Guilford County)

So most of my friends know that I don't register my cars. Screw paying property taxes. I haven't paid property taxes on my Expedition. Ever. I bought it at the dealership, got a property tax bill in the mail for almost $600 and was like "nope, I'm good" and just never registered it again. I have insurance on it obviously. I'm giving it to my son to take to school since his XJ is having overheating problems (shocking) so decided I would get it legal for him. Wake County wanted back taxes. In order to register it, I would have to pay them almost $2800 in back taxes. So I transferred it into my business name and it'll be running Montana plates now. I also moved my business to a Montana LLC a while back because Wake County told me I had $38k in business assets and wanted like $400. I told them, I'm a YouTube channel, I don't even have $38k worth of anything, personal or business. :lol: They didn't care. So fuck them, I'm now headquartered in Montana.
 
What is the biggest money grab was that our "fire tax" essentially doubled in the past year. Country emergency services took over all the volunteer fire departments under the guise of better funding rural departments that didnt have the tax base of the suburbinites. Now instead of a district based fire rate, it's a countrywide rate. All local accountability is gone. My rate was 6c/ $100 valuation when it was set by our district. County took over and it is now 10c/100. Couple that with the change in valuations we are paying over double what we were last year. Screw that. All of a sudden we have the money for a new crash truck (ours works fine) a Northstar ranger And now a brand new tahoe. Its absolutely insane.

To be fair, that's likely how many counties in this state are going to go. Volunteers are at an all time low and attracting new people is difficult. The state keeps changing training requirements and it's impossible to secure a firefighter 1 or 2 certificate as someone just doing it on the side. The state completely changed the training process a few years back. Instead of attending a class or two when you were able, the classes all got dispersed into big blocks that are much more difficult to attend because rather than a week or two of class, it lasts a month or more.

Counties that don't adopt an overall fire tax within the next few years are going to be in trouble because the costs of providing emergency services is astronomical now. A base level fire engine costs around 1m now. I'm not totally sure if the law is still in place, but for a long time, NC required that the first out engine be no older than 10 years. This was regardless of condition, miles, etc. Then pile on the cost of equipment. Turnout gear is around 5k new. My gear was from 1999 when I joined in 2019.

EMS in NC is a mandated public service too, unlike a lot of states in the US. Equipment costs there are also through the roof and lead times for new vehicles are 3-4 years out. A new ambulance is probably 750k base, and that's in a format like the Chevy Express of Ford Transit. Those bigger units cost way more. There's been talk for years that eventually the state will mandate 12 hour shifts maximum. For counties and providers running 24's, that's going to be a significant financial burden. There will probably be some sort of sunset provision, but most county and city budgets aren't going to be prepared for a roughly 750k to 1m bump in EMS funding for an extra shift.

I'm not sure most people understand exactly how tenuous emergency services really are in this state, or the entire county at large really. Rural counties are largely propped up by volunteers working for free. The state seems adamant that it wants to force paid employees everywhere, including counties that just simply can't afford it. For context, back in 2018 or so, Moore County operated their emergency services on a roughly 27m budget. That was the ENTIRE general fund of Montgomery County. I mean obviously they're not the same in terms of, well everything, but it sort of illustrates the disparity between the haves and have nots.
 
So most of my friends know that I don't register my cars. Screw paying property taxes. I haven't paid property taxes on my Expedition. Ever. I bought it at the dealership, got a property tax bill in the mail for almost $600 and was like "nope, I'm good" and just never registered it again. I have insurance on it obviously. I'm giving it to my son to take to school since his XJ is having overheating problems (shocking) so decided I would get it legal for him. Wake County wanted back taxes. In order to register it, I would have to pay them almost $2800 in back taxes. So I transferred it into my business name and it'll be running Montana plates now. I also moved my business to a Montana LLC a while back because Wake County told me I had $38k in business assets and wanted like $400. I told them, I'm a YouTube channel, I don't even have $38k worth of anything, personal or business. :lol: They didn't care. So fuck them, I'm now headquartered in Montana.
I live the exact same way. Ride dirty daily! I hate paying car taxes. It’s a scam.
 
But SC makes up for it on second homes.

Before we moved in York county are house was assessed at $445k - primary residence - our property taxes were $4,200/yr.

Sounds like SC is higher in general. A $450k primary residence in Wake county would have a $3200 bill. City of Raleigh would be more like $4500.
 
Sounds like SC is higher in general. A $450k primary residence in Wake county would have a $3200 bill. City of Raleigh would be more like $4500.
Hey man, 49th in education aint free - you gotta pay for that kinda success. :D

In all honesty York County gets skewed a bit I think because it borders the great state of Mecklenburg - which has notoriously high taxes as I understand it.

I know years ago DR Horton was building two neighborhoods, one in Ft Mill and One in Charlotte. They were 2-3 miles apart on the same road. Typical cookie cutter floor plan BS, the SC homes were like $15k more than the NC homes, same lot size same ammenities, and we were told the reason for the price difference was Mecklenburg County taxes were "so" much higher, that the SC homes were more but still had a lower monthly payment.
 
To be fair, that's likely how many counties in this state are going to go. Volunteers are at an all time low and attracting new people is difficult. The state keeps changing training requirements and it's impossible to secure a firefighter 1 or 2 certificate as someone just doing it on the side. The state completely changed the training process a few years back. Instead of attending a class or two when you were able, the classes all got dispersed into big blocks that are much more difficult to attend because rather than a week or two of class, it lasts a month or more.

Counties that don't adopt an overall fire tax within the next few years are going to be in trouble because the costs of providing emergency services is astronomical now. A base level fire engine costs around 1m now. I'm not totally sure if the law is still in place, but for a long time, NC required that the first out engine be no older than 10 years. This was regardless of condition, miles, etc. Then pile on the cost of equipment. Turnout gear is around 5k new. My gear was from 1999 when I joined in 2019.

EMS in NC is a mandated public service too, unlike a lot of states in the US. Equipment costs there are also through the roof and lead times for new vehicles are 3-4 years out. A new ambulance is probably 750k base, and that's in a format like the Chevy Express of Ford Transit. Those bigger units cost way more. There's been talk for years that eventually the state will mandate 12 hour shifts maximum. For counties and providers running 24's, that's going to be a significant financial burden. There will probably be some sort of sunset provision, but most county and city budgets aren't going to be prepared for a roughly 750k to 1m bump in EMS funding for an extra shift.

I'm not sure most people understand exactly how tenuous emergency services really are in this state, or the entire county at large really. Rural counties are largely propped up by volunteers working for free. The state seems adamant that it wants to force paid employees everywhere, including counties that just simply can't afford it. For context, back in 2018 or so, Moore County operated their emergency services on a roughly 27m budget. That was the ENTIRE general fund of Montgomery County. I mean obviously they're not the same in terms of, well everything, but it sort of illustrates the disparity between the haves and have nots.
Oh I see all that. Im on the department, not an outside observer. We are just over funded now plain and simple. Our engines all pass pump test every year. New engines are expensive and they have one on order, but why do we have so much money left over that we can buy $100,000 worth of non-firefighting equipment each year?
 
Oh I see all that. Im on the department, not an outside observer. We are just over funded now plain and simple. Our engines all pass pump test every year. New engines are expensive and they have one on order, but why do we have so much money left over that we can buy $100,000 worth of non-firefighting equipment each year?

because the masses keep paying their taxes like good boys and girls, no matter the increase, fraud, waste, and abuse that is shown to them day after day.
 
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Yea....they'll eventually pay.

As soon as Johnny Law gets behind them at the stop light and sees that 2021 sticker on the plate.

Then they'll be on the hook for the late penalties, or they'll lose the plate and/or the car.

#winning
 
oh really
Sorry, screw paying property taxes on my cars. I am fine with paying on my house. But cars......I already paid when I bought the thing. I pay taxes when I gas it up. I pay taxes when I buy parts for it. I pay taxes when I put tires on it.

Yea....they'll eventually pay.

As soon as Johnny Law gets behind them at the stop light and sees that 2021 sticker on the plate.

Then they'll be on the hook for the late penalties, or they'll lose the plate and/or the car.

#winning
Nope, there are ways around it. Like selling your car to your business located out of state. I currently drive a car with 2013 plates on it. :lol:
 
Sorry, screw paying property taxes on my cars. I am fine with paying on my house. But cars......I already paid when I bought the thing. I pay taxes when I gas it up. I pay taxes when I buy parts for it. I pay taxes when I put tires on it.
How is a house any different? You pay tax on everything that goes into it as well.
Philosophically its identical. You're just choosing to skip the one that's easier to get away with.
 
because the masses keep paying their taxes like good boys and girls, no matter the increase, fraud, waste, and abuse that is shown to them day after day.
Agreed.
How do we fix it?
 
No real hope now, cause the masses have food, Netflix, and sports ball. As soon as you say 'reduce taxes' the Ds will scream that kids will die in the street and some sort of -ism or phobic and it'll be shut down.

Not to.mentiin the mayor, council, and commissioners are drunk on your money.

But, if you will help me become mayor, Ill campaign on it. Tax cuts across the board.
 
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