Released Police Report on Vegas Shooting

Long read. Glad to see some better documentation on it. I'm sure the conspiracy theorists will shoot holes in it, like they always try to do. 5280 rounds of ammo still in the room is hard to believe. Why did he stop? Thats the main thing I'm still unclear on.

Also, why did he have to leave tannerite in the car? That stuff needs to keep flying under the radar for the rest of us!
 
I bet that SWAT officer catches hell for that ND, lol.


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Atla said:
Warning - Some Graphic Images towards the end.

https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1_October_FIT_Report_01-18-2018_Footnoted.pdf

This answered all the questions I had on it. Looks like no motive will ever be determined, but it had been in the planning for a long time. Very interesting read.
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jeepinmatt said:
Long read. Glad to see some better documentation on it. I'm sure the conspiracy theorists will shoot holes in it, like they always try to do. 5280 rounds of ammo still in the room is hard to believe. Why did he stop? Thats the main thing I'm still unclear on.

Also, why did he have to leave tannerite in the car? That stuff needs to keep flying under the radar for the rest of us!
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Infamous1 said:
Thanks for the link, answered alot of my questions.
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So we all agree that keepin their mouths shut about the investigation was a good thing??
 
I don't know why he stopped, but it's a good thing he did. Also, without engaging in a pointless caliber/ballistics/etc debate, it's a good thing he wasn't unloading 7.62's into the crowd.

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So we all agree that keepin their mouths shut about the investigation was a good thing??
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I dunno, kind of on the fence about it. It's nice to be given a long detailed report about everything discovered. But America is used to this sort of info trickling out through the media over the days or weeks afterwards instead of a LEO silence on the investigation.

What I DON'T like about it, is that it's being used for the typical knee-jerk reaction for legislative push on gun-control when we don't have all the details yet. But the Vultures push that regardless of facts, so I suppose it doesn't matter there.
 
I personally think that "the public" doesn't have that much of a "right to know." The information contained in this release was vast and extremely elaborate and has huge potential to cause copy cats.

This goes along with Police body camera footage. Why does the public have "right to see" with all of that.
 
The problem is the media. If they stopped the 24/7 hysteria coverage of mass shootings, the rate of occurence would drop to almost none.
 
Agree with you @jeepinmatt to an extent. The media absolutely adds a level of fame to the perpetrators.
But on the flip side: how many here thought of using a snorkel mouth piece and mask to extend time of visibility? How many thought of ways to improve on that?

Maybe it's just my training to think of those scenarios to learn from and combat them. But it's my opinion to not release anywhere that level of detail.

That goes with body camera footage. And that is a two fold issue. Absolutely it should be reviewed by a independent group but the general public should have no access to it. One issue I see is it allows people to review police tactics and learn ways to circumvent it. The other issue I have with body cameras in general. Whom ever does wrong on the body camera only gets to play that scenario once, in real time, and only sees details that their eyes see and brain doesn't filter out. Everyone else gets to play it frame by frame, multiple times. How can we objectively put ourselves in that same position and come to an intellectally honest position.
 
Futbalfantic said:
Agree with you @jeepinmatt to an extent. The media absolutely adds a level of fame to the perpetrators.
But on the flip side: how many here thought of using a snorkel mouth piece and mask to extend time of visibility? How many thought of ways to improve on that?

Maybe it's just my training to think of those scenarios to learn from and combat them. But it's my opinion to not release anywhere that level of detail.

That goes with body camera footage. And that is a two fold issue. Absolutely it should be reviewed by a independent group but the general public should have no access to it. One issue I see is it allows people to review police tactics and learn ways to circumvent it. The other issue I have with body cameras in general. Whom ever does wrong on the body camera only gets to play that scenario once, in real time, and only sees details that their eyes see and brain doesn't filter out. Everyone else gets to play it frame by frame, multiple times. How can we objectively put ourselves in that same position and come to an intellectally honest position.
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This is a thing I'm really torn on. I generally agree with your premise and defer to the judgement of the person in the situation, but I would be lying if I told you I fully trusted the government and would be ok with a lack of transparency where available.
 
I don't think body cams give anything away in regards to tactics. Cop tactics aren't very secret.

But considering the wide spread belief and fear pushed by morons that our police are inherently racist, I can see them releasing footage when necessary to prevent a riot or other stupidity from taking place. I didn't keep up with the latest supposedly-racially charged cop shooting bullshit anymore. But that last kid who claimed his friend was executed then film showed that he had a handgun and fired first, is the sort of reason I think local LEO's need to have the discretion to release.

Also I'd like the media to stop saying the shooters name. I think that would help substantially. But most of the media is like a tabloid rag for high school kids these days. Hot flash, low burn.
 
Pretty interesting reading. Never seen one before. I also had not heard he shot at a aviation fuel tank.... I'm not following on the blue hose and mask thing. What was that for?
 
ghost said:
Pretty interesting reading. Never seen one before. I also had not heard he shot at a aviation fuel tank.... I'm not following on the blue hose and mask thing. What was that for?
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Imagine shooting hundreds of rounds in an enclosed space. Smoke n such. Gotta breathe.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Imagine shooting hundreds of rounds in an enclosed space. Smoke n such. Gotta breathe.
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Partially.
I think, and we will never know for sure unless a manifesto is found on the computers, the separate room, hose and goggles and surveillance cameras were to prepare for a shootout with the police and combat tear gas.
 
the explanation I heard was that he felt the cops were closing in so he went ahead and saved them the trouble. yeah, he had it planned out but it wasn't like he was building a shed in the backyard. I'd say once you starting laying folks down the adrenaline hits hard and your best laid plans get scrambled and you panic at some point.
 
It's pretty common for mass shooters to off themselves once confronted with police force. I figure it goes with being a gutless turd who shoots unarmed innocents. You don't have the stones to be shot at in return so you take the easy way out. Which is why I always advocate for conceal carrying. You may not be Wyatt Earp, but you can be a speed bump that either ends the threat, or slows them down enough to save lives until the heavy firepower shows up.

If you haven't read this yet, it's fantastic. This guy was a competition shooter, firearms instructor, and accountant turned writer. It's easy to read and got something like a gazillion views when it went viral after Sandy Hook I believe.

https://workingclassreader.com/2017/10/09/an-opinion-on-gun-control-larry-correia/

But I also suspect he had at least planned to make it to his car. Tannerite doesn't explode without impact, and I don't recall seeing anything about blasting caps. So I figure he was going to turn his car into a suicide bomb by either shooting the tannerite himself, a hard fast wreck, or the cops shoot it while firing on him.
 
Atla said:
I don't know why he stopped, but it's a good thing he did. Also, without engaging in a pointless caliber/ballistics/etc debate, it's a good thing he wasn't unloading 7.62's into the crowd..
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His room was full of AR-10s (.308=7.62x51). what makes you think he wasnt shooting the crowd with 7.62 in addition to .223?
Either way. Terrible, gut wrenching situation. I too, had not heard about his shots at the fuel tanks. I'm guessing 50bmg minimum to penetrate those tanker walls.
Also, I've read that Larry Correia article previously. Long but excellent read.
 
GrnRanger said:
His room was full of AR-10s (.308=7.62x51). what makes you think he wasnt shooting the crowd with 7.62 in addition to .223?
Either way. Terrible, gut wrenching situation. I too, had not heard about his shots at the fuel tanks. I'm guessing 50bmg minimum to penetrate those tanker walls.
Also, I've read that Larry Correia article previously. Long but excellent read.
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You're correct, I missed all the AR-10s. I skimmed through the weapons and mainly noticed what platform they were and the magazine size. I wish it said if they were all empty or not. But I did find what lead me to believe he didn't shoot into the crowd with 7.62.

In the second room it only listed:
Expended .308/7.62 cartridge casings (8).

Which I assumed meant they stood out and the rest were 5.56. Also the .308 shots were specifically noted to have been fired into/at the Fuel Tanks. The pictures show scorch marks as well as what looks like a small burn spot, so I'm guessing there was some amount of penetration?

The .50 cal idea is interesting. He certainly could have afforded it, and used RAUFUSS rounds on that tank and blown it apart. Imagine the chaos THAT would have created! I'm going to chalk that up to him not being a gun guy.
 
Atla said:
It's pretty common for mass shooters to off themselves once confronted with police force. I figure it goes with being a gutless turd who shoots unarmed innocents. You don't have the stones to be shot at in return so you take the easy way out. Which is why I always advocate for conceal carrying. You may not be Wyatt Earp, but you can be a speed bump that either ends the threat, or slows them down enough to save lives until the heavy firepower shows up.

If you haven't read this yet, it's fantastic. This guy was a competition shooter, firearms instructor, and accountant turned writer. It's easy to read and got something like a gazillion views when it went viral after Sandy Hook I believe.

https://workingclassreader.com/2017/10/09/an-opinion-on-gun-control-larry-correia/

But I also suspect he had at least planned to make it to his car. Tannerite doesn't explode without impact, and I don't recall seeing anything about blasting caps. So I figure he was going to turn his car into a suicide bomb by either shooting the tannerite himself, a hard fast wreck, or the cops shoot it while firing on him.
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That was a great read - thx!
 
How compact can you get a .50 BMG? May have been simple logistics on getting it setup in the room for not using it. I assumed the burn marks were some type of incendiary round.
 
Infamous1 said:
How compact can you get a .50 BMG? May have been simple logistics on getting it setup in the room for not using it. I assumed the burn marks were some type of incendiary round.
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I usually think of Barret .50 cals off the top of my head, but I suppose he could have slapped a .50 upper on an AR and it would have been very concealable. I see this place offers one with a 18 inch barrel.

SHTF 50 Mag Fed Upper Conversion - Safety Harbor Firearms

They do have .308 RAUFUSS. So maybe he did use some after all? I could see them wanting to keep that out of the report and news. RAUFUSS isn't commonly known among even recreational shooters.

7.62NATO / .308Win. Tracer/Incendiary/Raufoss Ammunition
 
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.50 magnum =/= .50 BMG
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That's what I get for quick-searching!

The Ferret50 50BMG rifle conversion for the AR-15

A tad longer, but should still be concealable in luggage I would think. (And now on my wish list)

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