hey you guys remember this?
http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71644
Well our agreement fell through. (we settled for returning used TSLs and $100 cash for work that sucked instead of me suing him for repairs) It seems hes having trouble paying back the $100. I gave him at least a month to come up with it. He seems to be screening my PM on here when I know hes seen them. I gave him the respect of keeping his name under wraps and forgetting about this whole situation when everything was returned and mostly fixed. But now I don’t give a sh*t. hes screwed me out of too much money and given too many excuses. So… those of you that are curious about who this piss poor excuse of a “welder” this guys is… then read this report I wrote in the event we had to go to small claims court. It lists every detail to my knowledge and is factual.
By the way… Rob= Rob92XJ (for the report below) he works for the jeep dealership in Fayetteville.
PURPOSE:
I, Jonathon Porter am suing Rob for $500 repair bill, $100 and tires from original deal for failure to complete a satisfactory and safe job and for repairs to correct his original work.
SITUATION:
In the month of mar 09, I put up a add on www.nc4x4.com for a professional welder to weld my axle brackets to an axle that will be placed on my jeep for the purpose off-roading and for bigger tires (see attachment http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61246). Many replied, but I chose one who was close enough and that worked for jeep dealership (but not through the dealership). Rob informed me of his ability to complete this job and even showed pictures of his previous work (see attachment). So assumed his certification in vehicle mechanics and welding since he worked for the jeep dealership and for the qualifications I asked for in the add. He also offered to do a disc brake conversion. I accepted his offer and we agreed the price of labor for the job to be paid by used tires (which where to be sold for $200) and $200 cash ($100 on top of the tires for welding and $100 for brake parts). I released the axle in his possession which was returned approx 1-2 months later. After axle was returned, it sat in back yard till I had time to swap out into my jeep.
At the weekend of initial swap, I noticed the first problem with his work. One bracket was incorrectly welded in place (not symmetrical with opposite side). I Informed him of the situation, but the problem was corrected by my adj CA. 2 days later, the second more dangerous problem occurred. One bracket weld failed (shock bracket fell off of axle) over a RR crossing (see attachment). Once I got home, I inspected to confirm. I called to inform Rob of the situation. I asked if he was currently certified to weld. He replied negatively. Then I asked if he was ever certified to weld, then he replied affirmatively. Then I asked for my original payment for his job failure. He asked for chance to retry the job. I agreed but was hesitant because of his ability to complete the job. I understood it as he would completely re-do his work (cutting off all brackets and re-welding them). I wanted to clarify so I asked Rob if he was going to do it that manner. He said no. He was going to only weld the failed bracket. I did not agree with this and I explained that if one of his welds failed during a small bump in the road, how could I feel safe with continuing to drive on the road, let alone drive off road with the rest of his welds? Especially since at times I have my wife and child in the jeep also.
At the time I had my original factory axle which was going to be put back on so I could have a vehicle. But my axle was promised out before to a friend who needed it, leaving me with a jeep that didn’t work. My wife had to give me a ride to work every day until my jeep was fixed (5 days). I removed the damaged axle, then Rob and I arranged for pick up of my axle to be repaired for following week. I called on following Tuesday to inform him of urgency on the return of repaired axle because my wife was leaving with only working vehicle and I needed a car since I will have my child. I took consideration for asking for the short turn around and asked if it was possible to be finished by Sunday because wife is leaving on Thursday for long weekend (still leaving me without a vehicle for 3 days). He couldn’t give me a definite yes. Then I told him that I would have to go to a welder who could meet my needs. So I asked for return of original payments. Rob said he couldn’t pay now. I said he could pay when he gets the money. After our phone conversation I went to professionals to repair Rob’s work to meet my timely needs.
When I showed up, I asked the owner from a professional welder’s point of view, how the welds looked and if they are safe for driving. He said no, they are not safe. Proof is where the bracket broke. He showed me on the broken piece how the welds did not melt into the axle housing. That the metal welds are too cold for any affect. He called this “bubble gum welds”, referring to sticking bubble gum to hold two pieces of material together. They will hold, but not enough to call it good. I asked if he could write a sworn statement of this, but he declined saying he didn’t want to ruin business he had with the dealership since Rob worked for them. They quoted me approx $450-$600. I agreed and released axle to their possession. The next day, axle was returned and final bill was $500. Taking consideration of Rob’s financial issues, I called Rob to inform him of bill and asked him to pay for only half, as well as return my tires and $100 cash. We argued over the phone but achieved nothing. That following Friday I PMed rob via nc4x4.com of same issue. He replied that he spoke to his attorney and he would speak with me when he returned back to town.
TIME LINE OF OCCURRENCES:
Approx date of initial sale: 25MAR09
Note: payment- 4 used tires (valued at $200) + $200 ($100 on top of tires for weld job, and $100 for brake parts).
Date of initial axle swap: 22, 23AUG09
Note: as axle was being placed on, noticed left LCA bracket was not symmetrical with opposite side LCA bracket. Notified him of issue via PM through www.nc4x4.com , adjustable control arms corrected problem.
Date of weld failure: 25AUG09
Note: notified him of issue. Asked if he was certified to weld, he replied negatively. Ask for money for compensation for work failure at first, then decided to give him a chance to repair. We agreed for pick up on following Monday.
Date of axle removal: 28, 29AUG09
Note: vehicle disabled. Called him on 31AUG09 to confirm pickup. Negative reply and rescheduled for following day. Called Tuesday, to inform him of possible date of completion (needed axle by 6SEP09 latest, still allowing him to leave me with no vehicle for 3 days with child). Replied negatively. Informed him of reason of urgency (wife taking only other working vehicle out of town for 4 days), then asked if he could return pay at time of comfort while I went to professional welder. Pro welders quote job repair and re-weld approx $450-$600. I accept and release axle to their possession. I call rob to inform him and ask that he pay for half the bill as well as return tires and $100 cash. We argue and solve nothing.
Date of axle pick up: 2SEP09
Picked up axle and final bill was $500. Asked owner if he would fill a sworn statement of condition of rob’s welds but he declined for reasons of losing business with jeep dealership (robs employer) but did describe how and why welds where unsatisfactory and unsafe. Called rob and informed him of situation but no answer and left message. The following day, I PMed rob via nc4x4.com and he replied that he talk with his attorney and would get with me when he returned.
Only thing to add to this report as of now is that he has given my tires back and promised to pay the $100 cash at an appropriate time. Thing is, its been almost two months, and im willing to bet that those of you that might know this guy or anyone that owns a friggin jeep can attest to that the money he owes me is probably is his XJ and not in my pocket. $100 is not too much to save up. To me that’s a burden I wouldn’t want to have given the situation if I had done a piss poor weld job. I don’t know, what do you guys think?
http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71644
Well our agreement fell through. (we settled for returning used TSLs and $100 cash for work that sucked instead of me suing him for repairs) It seems hes having trouble paying back the $100. I gave him at least a month to come up with it. He seems to be screening my PM on here when I know hes seen them. I gave him the respect of keeping his name under wraps and forgetting about this whole situation when everything was returned and mostly fixed. But now I don’t give a sh*t. hes screwed me out of too much money and given too many excuses. So… those of you that are curious about who this piss poor excuse of a “welder” this guys is… then read this report I wrote in the event we had to go to small claims court. It lists every detail to my knowledge and is factual.
By the way… Rob= Rob92XJ (for the report below) he works for the jeep dealership in Fayetteville.
PURPOSE:
I, Jonathon Porter am suing Rob for $500 repair bill, $100 and tires from original deal for failure to complete a satisfactory and safe job and for repairs to correct his original work.
SITUATION:
In the month of mar 09, I put up a add on www.nc4x4.com for a professional welder to weld my axle brackets to an axle that will be placed on my jeep for the purpose off-roading and for bigger tires (see attachment http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61246). Many replied, but I chose one who was close enough and that worked for jeep dealership (but not through the dealership). Rob informed me of his ability to complete this job and even showed pictures of his previous work (see attachment). So assumed his certification in vehicle mechanics and welding since he worked for the jeep dealership and for the qualifications I asked for in the add. He also offered to do a disc brake conversion. I accepted his offer and we agreed the price of labor for the job to be paid by used tires (which where to be sold for $200) and $200 cash ($100 on top of the tires for welding and $100 for brake parts). I released the axle in his possession which was returned approx 1-2 months later. After axle was returned, it sat in back yard till I had time to swap out into my jeep.
At the weekend of initial swap, I noticed the first problem with his work. One bracket was incorrectly welded in place (not symmetrical with opposite side). I Informed him of the situation, but the problem was corrected by my adj CA. 2 days later, the second more dangerous problem occurred. One bracket weld failed (shock bracket fell off of axle) over a RR crossing (see attachment). Once I got home, I inspected to confirm. I called to inform Rob of the situation. I asked if he was currently certified to weld. He replied negatively. Then I asked if he was ever certified to weld, then he replied affirmatively. Then I asked for my original payment for his job failure. He asked for chance to retry the job. I agreed but was hesitant because of his ability to complete the job. I understood it as he would completely re-do his work (cutting off all brackets and re-welding them). I wanted to clarify so I asked Rob if he was going to do it that manner. He said no. He was going to only weld the failed bracket. I did not agree with this and I explained that if one of his welds failed during a small bump in the road, how could I feel safe with continuing to drive on the road, let alone drive off road with the rest of his welds? Especially since at times I have my wife and child in the jeep also.
At the time I had my original factory axle which was going to be put back on so I could have a vehicle. But my axle was promised out before to a friend who needed it, leaving me with a jeep that didn’t work. My wife had to give me a ride to work every day until my jeep was fixed (5 days). I removed the damaged axle, then Rob and I arranged for pick up of my axle to be repaired for following week. I called on following Tuesday to inform him of urgency on the return of repaired axle because my wife was leaving with only working vehicle and I needed a car since I will have my child. I took consideration for asking for the short turn around and asked if it was possible to be finished by Sunday because wife is leaving on Thursday for long weekend (still leaving me without a vehicle for 3 days). He couldn’t give me a definite yes. Then I told him that I would have to go to a welder who could meet my needs. So I asked for return of original payments. Rob said he couldn’t pay now. I said he could pay when he gets the money. After our phone conversation I went to professionals to repair Rob’s work to meet my timely needs.
When I showed up, I asked the owner from a professional welder’s point of view, how the welds looked and if they are safe for driving. He said no, they are not safe. Proof is where the bracket broke. He showed me on the broken piece how the welds did not melt into the axle housing. That the metal welds are too cold for any affect. He called this “bubble gum welds”, referring to sticking bubble gum to hold two pieces of material together. They will hold, but not enough to call it good. I asked if he could write a sworn statement of this, but he declined saying he didn’t want to ruin business he had with the dealership since Rob worked for them. They quoted me approx $450-$600. I agreed and released axle to their possession. The next day, axle was returned and final bill was $500. Taking consideration of Rob’s financial issues, I called Rob to inform him of bill and asked him to pay for only half, as well as return my tires and $100 cash. We argued over the phone but achieved nothing. That following Friday I PMed rob via nc4x4.com of same issue. He replied that he spoke to his attorney and he would speak with me when he returned back to town.
TIME LINE OF OCCURRENCES:
Approx date of initial sale: 25MAR09
Note: payment- 4 used tires (valued at $200) + $200 ($100 on top of tires for weld job, and $100 for brake parts).
Date of initial axle swap: 22, 23AUG09
Note: as axle was being placed on, noticed left LCA bracket was not symmetrical with opposite side LCA bracket. Notified him of issue via PM through www.nc4x4.com , adjustable control arms corrected problem.
Date of weld failure: 25AUG09
Note: notified him of issue. Asked if he was certified to weld, he replied negatively. Ask for money for compensation for work failure at first, then decided to give him a chance to repair. We agreed for pick up on following Monday.
Date of axle removal: 28, 29AUG09
Note: vehicle disabled. Called him on 31AUG09 to confirm pickup. Negative reply and rescheduled for following day. Called Tuesday, to inform him of possible date of completion (needed axle by 6SEP09 latest, still allowing him to leave me with no vehicle for 3 days with child). Replied negatively. Informed him of reason of urgency (wife taking only other working vehicle out of town for 4 days), then asked if he could return pay at time of comfort while I went to professional welder. Pro welders quote job repair and re-weld approx $450-$600. I accept and release axle to their possession. I call rob to inform him and ask that he pay for half the bill as well as return tires and $100 cash. We argue and solve nothing.
Date of axle pick up: 2SEP09
Picked up axle and final bill was $500. Asked owner if he would fill a sworn statement of condition of rob’s welds but he declined for reasons of losing business with jeep dealership (robs employer) but did describe how and why welds where unsatisfactory and unsafe. Called rob and informed him of situation but no answer and left message. The following day, I PMed rob via nc4x4.com and he replied that he talk with his attorney and would get with me when he returned.
Only thing to add to this report as of now is that he has given my tires back and promised to pay the $100 cash at an appropriate time. Thing is, its been almost two months, and im willing to bet that those of you that might know this guy or anyone that owns a friggin jeep can attest to that the money he owes me is probably is his XJ and not in my pocket. $100 is not too much to save up. To me that’s a burden I wouldn’t want to have given the situation if I had done a piss poor weld job. I don’t know, what do you guys think?
. but you of all people should know not everyone can just drop a couple grand to buy equipment and learn to weld on their DD...
. but i guess youre half right. i should have known i get what i paid for... i learned my lesson the hard way yes... but the issue is that WE BOTH agreed to settle with the return of my tires and cash. but he failed to return my cash. $100 isnt really not that much, but its the principal of the issue.
And mosh 5186 is right..WAY too much drama
