Rig 'sposed to have OG Longs, but...

ecoast

ecoast

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it don't.


I let my 9 y/o nephew drive the buggy; broke an axle (full hydro)

took it apart expecting to see Longfield; turns out OE yota (on both sides).
I am pissed/disappointed.


note: if they were og longs like they were supposed to be, I *might* have had a crack at warranty thru TG or RCV, and that would mean fixing it for free instead of ponying up for new that I ordered yesterday...

I may have recourse w/seller; 7-8 year old axles, what would be fair to ask for $$ wise?

I just want what I paid for; Longs were 1/8 value of what was paid and they're not in there...you guys are pretty level headed; what say you?
 
I would say he owes you a set of RCV shafts since they made the original Longfields.
 
How long ago did you buy the rig?
 
This stuff seems to happen more and more these days. Especially with Toy axles. Mainly "longs" and lockers being claimed. I wouldn't buy a "built" axle unless the seller was willing to either get lowballed beyond belief or willing to prove what is inside of the axle before money is exchanged.

If the axles have been built for 7-8 years and you haven't broken a stock birfield, you need to wheel more. :lol:
 
7-8 years is too long to go back to the seller. I agree with the others, should have verified axle guts. Ive taken my tools to look at Toyota axles before. If I can't tear it down, I ain't buying.
 
Man i have been through this exact same thing only worse it's not worth the stress just right it off as a mistake and buy a set of rcvs you will be happier in the long run
 
clarification:

rig bought April

finally assembled / wheeled in Oct.; only out twice.
kids broke it 2 days ago backing out of shed-- axles / build were 7-8 y/o

The seller and I have quite a few friends 'in common' so time frame is irrelevant in this situation.


I asked for $500 cash/trade/parts; he countered @ $100, but that's not enough to 'make right'

what would a set of used og longs cost/be worth? THAT is the magic number, imho.



I really want to be fair, so after sleeping on it, I agree that I am not entitled to 'brand new'
 
karatejosh said:
Man i have been through this exact same thing only worse it's not worth the stress just right it off as a mistake and buy a set of rcvs you will be happier in the long run
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you couldn't be more right. It's making me sour.
But it is not my mistake; he was 'vouched' for so I expect what I paid for.

already ordered new chromoly
 
ecoast said:
clarification:

rig bought April

finally assembled / wheeled in Oct.; only out twice.
kids broke it 2 days ago backing out of shed-- axles / build were 7-8 y/o

The seller and I have quite a few friends 'in common' so time frame is irrelevant in this situation.


I asked for $500 cash/trade/parts; he countered @ $100, but that's not enough to 'make right'

what would a set of used og longs cost/be worth? THAT is the magic number, imho.



I really want to be fair, so after sleeping on it, I agree that I am not entitled to 'brand new'
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I bought a set of never installed OG Longs for $400 from a member off NC4x4. I think that was a very good deal, so I would say that he owes you $400-$500.

If he is a member on this site post up his name so the rest of us can avoid doing business with him.

Fuck a liar.
 
Man I feel ya and most these guys remember my situation and it made me very sour for a wile it's not worth it just never ever buy anything you can't see 100% that's my rule or if you do get it cheap enough you don't care
 
Last I bought, I bought OG Long short/long/birf from a member here for $300.
It was a good deal though to be sure.

I think it comes down to details here.
Did seller tell you HE built the axles?

If so he is lieing.

Did he buy built axles?
If so, well caveat emptor. He bought on someone's word and so did you.

It would be mighty hard to go back to someone 6 months after the fact for the simple reason he has no way to know and you ahve no way to prove that he didnt give you longs and then swap them out for OE and ssell the longs to make a few $$$.

Such a dirty he said she said deal.

Thats why anytime I sell a complete rig, this is my standard, "Everything I am telling you is 100% accurate to the best of my knowledge and memory. If details are important on anything verify it yourself to your level of comfort. Once sold its as is where is."

A while back I sold a truck to a member here and before the deal was complete I gave him the thing for a week and said take it to your mechanic and have him look it all over and drive it as much as you want. If it breaks in your possession it is expected to be fixed to as new. He bought the truck.

Whats my point?

He has an obligation to be honest; you have an obligation to verify what you are purchasing.
 
StretchASU said:
This stuff seems to happen more and more these days. Especially with Toy axles. Mainly "longs" and lockers being claimed. I wouldn't buy a "built" axle unless the seller was willing to either get lowballed beyond belief or willing to prove what is inside of the axle before money is exchanged.

If the axles have been built for 7-8 years and you haven't broken a stock birfield, you need to wheel more. :lol:
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this happened to me recently. Dude claimed it was a 70 and shot me a pic. I didn't get the BOM before we met but I figured it would be OK. Got to his house and began scraping 30 years worth of oil and dirt off the chunk. I still couldn't find the stamp so I suggested I pull the axle shaft to count splines. Dude immediately said no. At that point I knew I'd wasted my time. Btw, if you ever want to buy something from a guy named Daniel Hoxit in Rosman don't waste your time :shaking:
 
McCracken said:
this happened to me recently. Dude claimed it was a 70 and shot me a pic. I didn't get the BOM before we met but I figured it would be OK. Got to his house and began scraping 30 years worth of oil and dirt off the chunk. I still couldn't find the stamp so I suggested I pull the axle shaft to count splines. Dude immediately said no. At that point I knew I'd wasted my time. Btw, if you ever want to buy something from a guy named Daniel Hoxit in Rosman don't waste your time :shaking:
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You left out the part where you called me 3 times on a Friday night to run nonexistant BOM numbers for you. :flipoff2:
Double Skoad moves.
 
frankenyoter said:
Is it possible that the seller legitametly though he had Longs but never verified himself?
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absolutely.
And I'm giving him benefit of the doubt.


Ron said:
Last I bought, I bought OG Long short/long/birf from a member here for $300.
It was a good deal though to be sure.

I think it comes down to details here.
Did seller tell you HE built the axles?

If so he is lieing.

Did he buy built axles?
If so, well caveat emptor. He bought on someone's word and so did you.

It would be mighty hard to go back to someone 6 months after the fact for the simple reason he has no way to know and you ahve no way to prove that he didnt give you longs and then swap them out for OE and ssell the longs to make a few $$$.

Such a dirty he said she said deal.

Thats why anytime I sell a complete rig, this is my standard, "Everything I am telling you is 100% accurate to the best of my knowledge and memory. If details are important on anything verify it yourself to your level of comfort. Once sold its as is where is."

A while back I sold a truck to a member here and before the deal was complete I gave him the thing for a week and said take it to your mechanic and have him look it all over and drive it as much as you want. If it breaks in your possession it is expected to be fixed to as new. He bought the truck.

Whats my point?

He has an obligation to be honest; you have an obligation to verify what you are purchasing.
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agree with everything you wrote.

he built; rig was sold w/itemized list. Did not verify axles due to my friends vouching.

yes; he could try to reverse it and accuse me of scam, but we know too many folk in common.

6 months does not matter due to the people known in common.


And even if we had no one in common, if someone fucks me, there is no time limit.



"best of my knowledge" is a great way to sell; good idea.
 
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I was looking for the 'magic numbers' to negotiate afa making right/getting what was paid for.

like the $300 Ron posted.


he has bumped to $175; I'm gonna try to settle @ 2 beans and be happy to get it.
 
Bought a swap ready Sterling 10.5 off here once and find out a spindle was badly bent but had no idea until I got home and tried to pull the brakes and shaft from the one side. Dude did say "oh the calipers locked up". No worries, its raining, have a nice day. Haven't heard from him since. It happens.
 
Be happy you are getting anything, especially since you didn't confirm.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Judging by the answers on this forum, there is no trust left here. And a bunch of armchair quarterbacks who tear everything down and inspect it 100%. Is that about right?
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Pretty much. I don't tear down and inspect, but I also don't pay more than I can afford to lose.

I once drove 5 hours each way to buy two sets of narrow-trac axles from a member. he asked if I wanted to pull the covers, and even had tools out already. But I was in a hurry to get back home and I did not. I ended up selling the hubs off the fronts and threw the rest in the trash. I took 100% of that blame and didn't even call the guy, after all he had tools out and was ready to help tear down....
 
Jody Treadway said:
You left out the part where you called me 3 times on a Friday night to run nonexistant BOM numbers for you. :flipoff2:
Double Skoad moves.
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I was trying to keep it short for the audience :flipoff2: I went back and found a thread showing all BOM numbers for all 3/4 and 1 ton axles and still couldn't ID it. The whole thing was a mess. Thanks for the help.
 
strange1 said:
Pretty much. I don't tear down and inspect, but I also don't pay more than I can afford to lose.
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Nailed it.

I bought a 60/14B that was supposed to have matching 4.56 gears in them from a member. They were bought from another member before that. Pulled the covers to weld them up and the 14b was a 4.10. I didn't bring it up to the original seller, didn't blame the guy I got them from even though he was pretty ill since he bought them under the same assumption of matching gears. Chalked it up as a lesson learned. If the seller can't verify whats inside the axle, provide receipts or legible BOM's on the stuff, fawk em. Someone else can get my money.
 
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