School me on Gold

Cherokeekid88

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So I don't know much about gold prices, mainly because I've never owned it, but my father in law has been collecting silver and gold for the last couple of years and gifted my wife and I a really nice 1 oz gold coin. For anyone who follows it, how is gold projected to do in the future? Do you guys hold onto it or treat it like a stock and sell when its high and buy when its low?
 
I think buying gold is a bad investment.
 
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Used cars is the best investment vehicle right now.

Prices are up 50% on certain makes and should continue for the next year.

Real estate is expected to increase 19% over the next year.

Both of those are better than what gold is doing now.
 
Used cars is the best investment vehicle right now.

Prices are up 50% on certain makes and should continue for the next year.

Real estate is expected to increase 19% over the next year.

Both of those are better than what gold is doing now.
but thats right now. In both cases, its likely a trend that will eventually settle. Maybe not for a year or two, who knows.
My impression of the argument about metals investments is it is long term stable, becauset hey never (rarely) depreciate. Certainly unlike a car.
 
Its probably still bettert han no investment
True, but there are better things to invest in.


There are two ways to buy gold. Physical gold or buying an ETF. The largest gold ETF is GLD.

1 year graph comparing GLD to the S&P500 and NASDAQ:

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5 year graph comparing GLD to the S&P500 and NASDAQ:

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10 year graph comparing GLD to the S&P500 and NASDAQ:

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I was reading a little last night, it looks like gold hit an all time high at over $2000 an ounce in August of 2020 and has steadily decreased since then. Projected to drop to around $1400 an ounce possibly down to $1200 an ounce. Just wondering if it would be wise to sell and possibly use that money to invest in something else or just hold onto it for the time being.
 
Forget gold. Go with Silver.

When I have more time and not on my phone, ill write something indepth on it.
I'd appreciate that!. I am trying to research as much as I can. I know that my FIL doesn't care rather we keep it or sell it. I just don't want to hold onto it if its just going to decrease in value, when I could do something with it now or soon and pay down some debt or invest in something else.
 
Keep it until the next stock market drop, and sell it then because that's typically when gold prices spike. Plus the market is due for a correction at any time.
 
-deep breath-

-cracks knuckles-

First off, I'm a believer in having a nice chunk of precious metals in your portfolio. YOU can trust FRN (Federal Reserve Notes) all you'd like, but they ain't backed by nothing thanks to Nixon taking us off the gold standard in the early 1970's. FRN's only have worth because the government SAYS they have worth and because the population BELIEVES they have worth.

Precious metals, on the other hand, have historical and intrinsic value. They are limited to what's in the earths core, they cannot be fabricated from nothing, they take effort to mine, and with the rise of computers there is an ever increasing demand for them as they are used inside chips and gadgetry and such plus the traditional other uses such as jewelry and coinage. Precious Metals, or PM's, include Gold, Silver, Platinum, and Palladium. Sure there are others you could invest in, such as copper, but the weight to value ratio is such that you'd be buying it in tons and that's a biotch to try and store.

So, why do I suggest silver?

Several reasons.

First, because historically, the silver to gold ratio is 15 to 1. That means, 15 ounces of silver buys you 1 ounce of gold. Right now, the ratio is 78 to 1. The market is long overdue for a major correction, and there's been tons of talk for many years about when that will occur and why it hasn't yet. And it mainly has to do with market manipulation that I won't go into because I don't fully understand that well enough to give my own take.

BUT. We can expect a correction, which would move silver from $23.11/ounce to $120.80/ounce. Ca-freaking-ching. There's your investment. We saw a slight correction back in 2020, where silver went from $17/ounce to $25/ounce-ish. It's stayed around there ever since.

Second, because unlike gold, which is high value for small bits, it would be impossible for the government to pull a silver confiscation similar to what that FDR pulled off with gold by Executive Order back in 1933. Where he made it illegal for civilians to own gold. (By the way, back then gold was around $20 an ounce... now it's $1812/ounce... so think about the inflation there in a single generation.) 13 years later, Harry Truman did the same thing. So it can happen. If you want to read more, here's this. Gold Seizure

Third, say things go to pot. Economic collapse level. You can't walk into a grocery store and buy a loaf of bread with a 1/10th ounce gold piece. (Worth $181.20 in normal times.). But you can walk in with something called 'junk silver'. Junk Silver is essentially, old US Mint coins that were made from silver. Best rule of thumb, is any dimes, quarters, half-dollars from 1965 or earlier are silver. You CAN walk into a grocery store with a Roosevelt silver dime, and walk out with a loaf of bread. (Worth about $2.12 right now. Again, notice the inflation. In 1965, this coin was worth 10 CENTS... now it's worth over two bucks in 56 years...)

That's why I ALWAYS tell people, buy junk silver. It's easy to buy in rolls, a $5 roll of dimes is worth about $106. You can buy a couple of those a month and start having some peace of mind if things ever get bad, or the stock market ever tanks, or China calls in our debt, or if you just want to HIDE your money from the government. And it's pretty much universally accepted by anyone 'in the know' that pre-65 coinages are made of silver. You don't have to worry about breaking out some mint piece of paper proving that you're not ripping someone off. Because it's already printed by the US Government.

And by HIDE, I mean, buy your PM's, pay the taxes, and congrats... it's now off books. The Government will never know that you've got $100k worth of money tied up in mason jars buried in your back yard. It won't be taxed yearly, if you die and want to give it to your kids, it won't be death taxed to nothing, etc.

I don't feel like I did a very good job with this. But that's the jist.

I probably could have written out a single post for each point, but I think you got it.

If you want to know more, go to survivalblog.com and google 'silver' or 'gold'. There's a ton of information on why it's a good idea to keep some.
 
To add to that....I think nickels are '42 back. On coins with ridges it is very easy to look at them and tell they're silver. As for nickels, drop them and they sound way different. Most drink/vending machines won't take them either.

Interesting side note. Went to my local gas station a few years ago. They were out of quarters and the lady apologized profusely and said all she had were a few half dollars. Ha! I scored all five that she had and all were pre-'65. She didn't know why I was totally fine with taking them off her hands :D

I've got a fair bit of silver quarters, dimes, nickels, half dollars, and dollar coins. Lots of steel pennies, wheat pennies, buffalo nickels...you name it. Even foreign coins that are pretty old. Hell, I even have a fist full of Silver Certificates...I think my oldest is from 1903. Anything old or interesting, I keep. Not that there's really much value to them, but I keep every bicentennial quarter and half dollar I get too. They're cool to me. Cashiers reprimand me frequently thinking that I'm counting the changes they gave me, I'm just looking at the dates on them.
 
I very rarely pay with change always bills then i take the change home and sort later to see if i got any good stuff. It is a good way to have to have a lump of money at the end of the year when i take the change i don't want to the bank for cash usually several hundred dollars a year.
 
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