The re-birth of Callalantee

bthelton said:
isn't there a forum for mall crawlers? just asking
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And this guy.
Tj on steroids. Drives it to Callalantee and wheels the :poop: out of it. Then drives it home.
nuff said.
 
If this were a dead horse it would not still be coming up.

Scott, I'm glad you feel that money is not an important issue to you but for most of the rest of the world it is.
I will beat this dead horse every time it is brought up or until the first amendment is rescinded or Shawn bans me.
The passenger fees are too high, period.

Why do you get to take a vehicle on the trails for only $15 where it costs family's from $26 to $48 dollars or more a day for a similar vehicle.

How about this:

All of you folks who say the passenger fees are not a problem, pay for 2 extra passengers every time you go to Callalantee, even if you don't have them. I'm sure Neeta can work out a method of passing on the free passes you provide to those who do care about their money and want to carry family or passengers.

I'm sure the response will be "why should we pay for your passengers" That is the same point we make.

or,

How about we all pay a flat $50 dollars a day to ride. Then it would be the same for one person as a family of five. I bet Neeta would really like that proposal. What do you say? All of you who say the fee's are fine should back this without hesitation. It would certainly get Callalantee in the black financially.

Yes, I think these proposals are ridiculous but so are the current passenger fees.

I would hope you can see why this is not a fair fee structure.

I have never said they shouldn't raise rates or make a profit, they should. Controlling access to the property and being as friendly to this community will make them far more money than sticking it to families.

DEAD HORSE BEAT ONCE AGAIN, maybe the point will sink in this time.
 
redneckcj5guy said:
And this guy.
Tj on steroids. Drives it to Callalantee and wheels the :poop: out of it. Then drives it home.
nuff said.
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its a Tj on meth....but thanks Paul!!! Always have a great time and would pay any amount asked to ride the trails and not bitch and moan about it because its a hobby and hobbies ain't free. long story short if it cost to much to go park on trails and watch others ride, take up scrap booking and quit bitching and moaning about riding on someones land that they maintain and are trying to improve for others to enjoy. Happy trails!!! :lol:
 
I know I don't have clout here .. But seems no matter where you go there's always the guy that wants to wheel but doesn't want to spend good hard earned money to wheel at a decently setup place ???

I agree about the passenger/family fee change totally
But it all comes down to do you want to wheel there :bounce2:
 
if Im not mistaken our group has went ever year around this time. I havent heard any plans about us going this year. alot of the members do have families and tight budgets. im sure thats why no trip has been planned. i think this hurts her business. like i said before. its just me. so it really doesnt concern me.
 
novacayne75 said:
what was the ratio of rigs vs.atv's ?
are the rates for atv's still less?
i have not been back due to the rate increase and was curious.
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As far as I know the rates are $11 per atv(passengers on atv's pay also)So the typical "family" in the atv community seems to be 3 or 4 (mom,dad,kid)(dad,kid,kid,mom) so they are paying $33 or $44 and I hate to say this I have never heard any of the ATV/Motorctycles bitch about the $$.
I talk with all groups there trying to get them involved with trails.They all love the place and say it's one of the best they go to.
Granted they have propably less than $5000 in what they ride and don't have the chance to cut a $400 tire or break axle shafts etc. so their "sport" has a lower maintenance cost.
They chose ATV/Motorcycles,so what if they have 1 towrig and 1 trailer with 10 vehicles on it and only one fuel bill that they split.It's their sport,NOT OURS.
The side by sides hell..they are like $10k+.
Again fun but not my cup of tea.
As for the ratio.I'd say 1 rig to 5 atv's and thats just a guess.
I'm thinking 10 trucks and maybe 50 atv's..........not to mention alot of campers,folks just relaxing and hiking.

Now people come and go all weekend(when it was warmer)

The ratio of riders versus campers.......I'd guess more trucks camp than atv's
 
hadfield4wd said:
Not complaining. Merely stating the facts. In fact I like to see the improvements to the park and it is better overall for the sport.
I do pack all my food for the weekend.:shaking:
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I didn't mean you as in you ( hadfield4wd) in particular I meant you as in the general public who disagrees, and as far as packing your food goes I was just throwing some suggestions out there. Some people will continue to go and some won't. If you really enjoyed callalantee and really wanted to see it improve you would go and support them. The end. Just my .2 cents.
 
There's a lot of interesting reading in this thread... keep 'er comin' folks.

If its been mentioned, I missed it, but is anything being done to stop the ATV crowd from raising hell and ripping around the campground. That's been one of my biggest reasons for camping at the Mountain Empire, regardless of nice weather conditions.
 
Granny said:
There's a lot of interesting reading in this thread... keep 'er comin' folks.

If its been mentioned, I missed it, but is anything being done to stop the ATV crowd from raising hell and ripping around the campground. That's been one of my biggest reasons for camping at the Mountain Empire, regardless of nice weather conditions.
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I haven't seen it BUT I have not camped there in awhile.
I do know they don't like it....I'll have to ask.


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And about the fee's.
I do not have anything to do with that.

I really don't know why folks are complaining about $4......

If you have a truck by yourself it's $15 to ride,for each passenger it's $11 each.
If you have 1 ATV then it's $11 to ride,if you and your GF go out on your ATV it's $22.

Or you spend $$ and get her,her own ATV...then it's $22 for both of you to ride.
As for why it's $4 more?? dunno maybe insurance?maybe not.

If you want to save $4 don't go..is that the answer?
how about getting another rig that way you only have one passenger in yours.

$11 or $15 for a person to ride all day,is not $$$ in my book,it's cheaper than bowling,the movies or eating out(by the hour) 12 hours enjoyment at less than $1 per hour,very cool.

How much is bowling for 1 hr?
Eating for less than an hour(plus waiting in line)?
the movies are what for 2 1/2hrs?

Just a different perspective on the $$$deal
 
girls_got_a78cj7 said:
I didn't mean you as in you ( hadfield4wd) in particular I meant you as in the general public who disagrees, and as far as packing your food goes I was just throwing some suggestions out there.
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No offense taken. I usually take things as people joking in lieu of being antagonistic.:driver:

It's a better view of things.
 
Turtle Mechanic said:
And about the fee's.
I do not have anything to do with that.
I really don't know why folks are complaining about $4......
If you have a truck by yourself it's $15 to ride,for each passenger it's $11 each.
If you have 1 ATV then it's $11 to ride,if you and your GF go out on your ATV it's $22.
Or you spend $$ and get her,her own ATV...then it's $22 for both of you to ride.
As for why it's $4 more?? dunno maybe insurance?maybe not.
If you want to save $4 don't go..is that the answer?
how about getting another rig that way you only have one passenger in yours.
$11 or $15 for a person to ride all day,is not $$$ in my book,it's cheaper than bowling,the movies or eating out(by the hour) 12 hours enjoyment at less than $1 per hour,very cool.
How much is bowling for 1 hr?
Eating for less than an hour(plus waiting in line)?
the movies are what for 2 1/2hrs?
Just a different perspective on the $$$deal
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You're not listening.

I posted this earlier.

hadfield4wd said:
Well I'm glad for the improvements. However if I'm going to drive that far only another 2 hours to harlan. Plus I'm only 2 total from Crozet.
I agree with Jeremy on this. I'm going back to my original statement.
"I'm not poor, but I am cheap"
It's a comparison. I wheel a ton of different places on the east coast. Mtn City is currently the highest price one to go to for me. Especially when you consider I bring 2 boys. That's a fact.
For the $45/day it would cost me I can do an entire weekend at Crozet for $40. That doesn't include the camping fees, because I'm willing to pay for the showers, that's just the wheeling.
If I lived closer I'm sure it would be a different story.
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So lets put it into simple terms. We're not worried about $4 it the overall cost.

1 weekend (2 nights camping 2 days riding) at Crozet with my family (2 boys not the wife and daughter). $40

1 weekend at Harlan. Free (I already bought my $35 annual pass) Sleep on the trail. Or if I want to get nice camping (showers) $40

1 weekend at Mtn City with same family. $126

So I'm not talking $4 I'm talking $86. I go wheeling 8-10 times a year. So if you figure 8 times at $86 you're talking $688 savings by going someplace else. Thats not chump change.

To compare wheeling to going to the movies is irrelevant. I don't do that stuff either. Even to compare it to the ATV's is stupid. I dont' have those. If I did I'd pay the fee and go on with it. But I don't I wheel. To get an accurat depiction of the cost you need to compare to other wheeling places for 4x4's.

Quite frankly I can understand what they are doing and I am glad for it. I also understand this is a business they are trying to make money. I have no problem with that.

The fact that she made the statement to Jeremy that look at your truck/rig you can afford it is crap. If she had said it to me I would have packed up an left. I'm in sales for a living so by default its customer service. If I said that to a customer they'd kick me out the door and rightfully so.

About breaking stuff being costly is a real issue. I was up there with Jeremy last year and I cut 3 TSL's. That's $640ish in tires in one day.
 
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Don't forget any expense incurred to get there as well.

It's way cheaper to go to URE, $10 to $40 depending on where yo camp, Gulches and Crozet are roughly the same distance at Callalantee for me, both of which are less expensive for a weekend of wheeling with the family.

Like Hadfield4x4 said, movies bowling dinners out are apples and oranges to wheeling. It's been three years since I've been to the movies, can't tell you last time I was bowling, probably early twenties.

The issue is not the $4 dollar increase for a single driver it's the $11 per passenger that everyone is pointing out as being too much. If I had three vehicles and my 6yo son could drive I'd gladly pay $45 for us ALL to DRIVE. In my case $37, one driver and two passengers, is a little much just for trail fees.

While were on the subject of fees what is up with this:
Taken from http://highcountryatv.com/riding.htm
Camping rates:
Non-Hookup: $15 for 2 people, w/$3 for each additional person over 10 yrs. old
Hookup: Depends on the size of the camper
Sounds like they'll charge you what they think you can afford based on what your RV looks like.

They run a private business and they can charge what they want and it's up to each and every one of us to decide if we are going to pay it. It seems to me that they think they have us over a barrel due to how great a place they have but they don't. Piss off your patrons and they won't come back. I for one will not until changes are made but I will also continue to let others know why.
 
Rox&Mud said:
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Don't forget any expense incurred to get there as well.
It's way cheaper to go to URE, $10 to $40 depending on where yo camp, Gulches and Crozet are roughly the same distance at Callalantee for me, both of which are less expensive for a weekend of wheeling with the family.
Like Hadfield4x4 said, movies bowling dinners out are apples and oranges to wheeling. It's been three years since I've been to the movies, can't tell you last time I was bowling, probably early twenties.
The issue is not the $4 dollar increase for a single driver it's the $11 per passenger that everyone is pointing out as being too much. If I had three vehicles and my 6yo son could drive I'd gladly pay $45 for us ALL to DRIVE. In my case $37, one driver and two passengers, is a little much just for trail fees.
While were on the subject of fees what is up with this:
Taken from http://highcountryatv.com/riding.htm
Camping rates:
Non-Hookup: $15 for 2 people, w/$3 for each additional person over 10 yrs. old
Hookup: Depends on the size of the camper
Sounds like they'll charge you what they think you can afford based on what your RV looks like.
They run a private business and they can charge what they want and it's up to each and every one of us to decide if we are going to pay it. It seems to me that they think they have us over a barrel due to how great a place they have but they don't. Piss off your patrons and they won't come back. I for one will not until changes are made but I will also continue to let others know why.
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Rox&Mud said:
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Hookup: Depends on the size of the camper
Sounds like they'll charge you what they think you can afford based on what your RV looks like.
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just playing devil's advocate here but it may have to do with the resources it consumes. electrical costs for larger campers (more light, stove, etc.) plus more water usage based on # of occupants.

but for the most part I completely agree with you on this one. that's my biggest complaint with Windrock. $17/day/person no matter if they ride or drive :shaking:
 
Rox&Mud said:
If this were a dead horse it would not still be coming up.

Scott, I'm glad you feel that money is not an important issue to you but for most of the rest of the world it is.
I will beat this dead horse every time it is brought up or until the first amendment is rescinded or Shawn bans me.
The passenger fees are too high, period.

Why do you get to take a vehicle on the trails for only $15 where it costs family's from $26 to $48 dollars or more a day for a similar vehicle.

How about this:

All of you folks who say the passenger fees are not a problem, pay for 2 extra passengers every time you go to Callalantee, even if you don't have them. I'm sure Neeta can work out a method of passing on the free passes you provide to those who do care about their money and want to carry family or passengers.

I'm sure the response will be "why should we pay for your passengers" That is the same point we make.

or,

How about we all pay a flat $50 dollars a day to ride. Then it would be the same for one person as a family of five. I bet Neeta would really like that proposal. What do you say? All of you who say the fee's are fine should back this without hesitation. It would certainly get Callalantee in the black financially.

Yes, I think these proposals are ridiculous but so are the current passenger fees.

I would hope you can see why this is not a fair fee structure.

I have never said they shouldn't raise rates or make a profit, they should. Controlling access to the property and being as friendly to this community will make them far more money than sticking it to families.

DEAD HORSE BEAT ONCE AGAIN, maybe the point will sink in this time.
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Okay in a nutshell. Im sorry you chose to have a family and now its a financial burden on you. I have already raised my family. I have already made my sacrifices for them. I have already struggled to fed and clothe and house my family. Now I am playing cuz I can afford to. If you cant, tough titties! Life aint fair. Your situation is of your own doing, Not mine. So I shouldnt have to pay so you can play. Thats a bit socialistic, dont you think?

How bout instead of stinkin up every thread someone posts bout Callalantee, take your proposals to Neeta. Convince her that your interests arent just about you. Explain to her that she will suffer in the long run. If you succeed great! If not, you try to gather a few million dollars and buy your own mountain and well see how charitable you will be when the bills come due!
 
The driver fee is OK, but the passenger fee should be $3-5 in my opinion. I typically wheel alone or just with my wife, and don't camp at Mtn City, so it doesn't effect me much. That is just how I feel about it. I will continue to wheel there.
 
orangecherokee said:
just playing devil's advocate here but it may have to do with the resources it consumes. electrical costs for larger campers (more light, stove, etc.) plus more water usage based on # of occupants.
but for the most part I completely agree with you on this one. that's my biggest complaint with Windrock. $17/day/person no matter if they ride or drive :shaking:
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RV's are primarily a 12v and propane system bar AC, microwave and TV. The AC power is converted to DC to keep up the battery which runs the lights, furnace, hot water heater, water pump etc. With the exception of RV's with 2 AC units they all pull about the same power to keep up their batteries. I've camped all over this country and have yet to run into a campground charging a camping fee depending on their perception of the camper. most charge for non-electric or electric. Occasionally electric site rates are split between 30a and 50a service but not often.
 
ol'Jeeps said:
Okay in a nutshell. Im sorry you chose to have a family and now its a financial burden on you. I have already raised my family. I have already made my sacrifices for them. I have already struggled to fed and clothe and house my family. Now I am playing cuz I can afford to. If you cant, tough titties! Life aint fair. Your situation is of your own doing, Not mine. So I shouldnt have to pay so you can play. Thats a bit socialistic, dont you think?

How bout instead of stinkin up every thread someone posts bout Callalantee, take your proposals to Neeta. Convince her that your interests arent just about you. Explain to her that she will suffer in the long run. If you succeed great! If not, you try to gather a few million dollars and buy your own mountain and well see how charitable you will be when the bills come due!
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I'm glad your situation provides you the vantage point you have. I was attempting to enlighten you to ours. I find it sad that you just told everyone that you can care less about other peoples situations since your were your happy with yours. At least that's the way it came off to me anyway. My position is to support the entire community not just my part of it.

One person will not change anything, but putting it out there and keeping the pressure up might. They are on NC4x4, if they look at this and other threads it may eventually get through. I've talked to Neeta when all this started, I see no reason to again based on that conversation as I believe it will have little to no effect as an individual but as a community, maybe. Btw, this part of the discussion was started by someone else, I just initially echoed his question.

You seem to be happy with things at Callalantee, great, we get it. There's no reason to denagrate those of us who think differently.

I'm not going to argue with you over this any further. I have a position which I have tried to have an intelligent discussion about not berate others for disagreeing.
 
Im with ya Len. I generally wheel alone or with my GF and I personally see no reason why the passenger cost should be that high $3-5 is decent but $11 seems way high for no reason.
 
Rox&Mud said:
RV's are primarily a 12v and propane system bar AC, microwave and TV. The AC power is converted to DC to keep up the battery which runs the lights, furnace, hot water heater, water pump etc. With the exception of RV's with 2 AC units they all pull about the same power to keep up their batteries. I've camped all over this country and have yet to run into a campground charging a camping fee depending on their perception of the camper. most charge for non-electric or electric. Occasionally electric site rates are split between 30a and 50a service but not often.
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sounds good to me. I was just thinking out loud. thanks for the info.
 
My guess is when the big double ac campers are there and they are hooked to the 50 amp services(they use more electricity)they cost more to operate.Also they have 30 amp service availible for the bigger rv's.
I had stated this in my inital update.
an as for apples to apples etc.

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I go to uwharrie a few times a year,not for the wheeling challenges but for the group camping and wheeling we do with everything from stock to wild.Unless they are local,I'd bet most people don't go to URE just to wheel,it;'s central to the east coast and stock rigs can have fun.
On a dry weekend most of ure can be done open/open or 3wd w/rear locker.And the fee,well it's great since we as americans are funding this in one way or the other.


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Harlan is awesome,also funded by the general public in one way or not.only problem is it's mostly hardcore(which is awesome in my mind)fee's are great.trail 1 is a bitch in anything if it's been raining just to get to the top of the mnt.

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Crozet is awesome from what I've seen on youtube,here and pirate.I don't think(could be wrong) a stock truck could enjoy the weekend without major bordom or damage.
(disclaimer: never been there I've only seen it on the internet,so please forgive me if I'm incorrect.
Is it open to the general public year round?


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The flats,---private------>awesome play area and great company on the open play days(thanks rockcorp:beer:)


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DPG---private------> once again awesome playground,on invite days:beer:


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The farm----private--->again...bling bling thanks BDB:beer:
for the open invite parties


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I'm sure I've missed a few places,I'm sorry
Oh wait!


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Callalantee--->open year round to the public for a modest fee.
A bone stock rig can explore all day on the trails that are and will be marked,loads of fun and great scenary.
The modified trucks can play alittle harder and decide if they want a nice lo-range rear locked kinda day or lockup both ends and play for several hours,have lunch and play some more.
The big boys have severals areas and trails to hit.
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There are several hard areas being worked on right now by members of NC4x4(thankyou all).
And since everyone hits the "normal areas" I bet alot of the 35"+ crowds don't know about other trails there.
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So In my eyes Callalantee is a win win situation,I can wheel my small junk,and then cruise somewhere and watch other "fools" playing around.
This is my opinion and as i said my opinion.And like everyone knows,everyone has one.
Peace
 
Why are we doing this again? People c'mon let's support our wheelin community regardless. I go to multiple places to wheel. That's the fun of it right, "different places"!

I am sure "changes" will come when they get the funds raised where they can!! Takes time to get this going like planning, paying funds that are due now and to collect the funds for the "changes"! Be patient, it will get done not overnight!!!

Let's do what we can to keep our wheelin community alive and appreciate what they are doing to keep places open for us!!!!
 
PinkyXJ said:
Why are we doing this again? People c'mon let's support our wheelin community regardless. I go to multiple places to wheel. That's the fun of it right, "different places"!
I am sure "changes" will come when they get the funds raised where they can!! Takes time to get this going like planning, paying funds that are due now and to collect the funds for the "changes"! Be patient, it will get done not overnight!!!
Let's do what we can to keep our wheelin community alive and appreciate what they are doing to keep places open for us!!!!
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I agree.....I'm sorry:(...I'll play nice
 
BTW!!! Had a blast this past weekend!!! Pinky walked right through "BADASS"!!!
Scott and Justin made it up waterfall, made it look easy!!! Had a blast can't wait for New Years!!!!
 
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