Unemployment, WTF?

OnlyOneDR

OnlyOneDR

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So I had to take a week off from work back in March. Everyone did. Cost reductions company wide. No big deal, I wanted the time off to go to Arizona so it worked out perfect.

The company advised filing for unemployment (even though most states have a week-long waiting period) in case they had to do more of it later. I said Screw that, I hate the government and was not going to suck the hind tit of a dead cow.

This week I got three letters in the mail from the NC Employment Security Commission - Unemployment Division regarding my "claim" for unemployment. The first was a "wage statement" showing what I earned and what my benefits are worth. The second was a Voluntary Income Tax Withholding sheet to mail back to tell them how to take taxes out. The third was a record of my first "claim" and a statement that it would be credited as a one-week waiting period.

What The hell is this? I will be calling my HR and the Unemployment office tomorrow. The call to HR will be to tell them to screw off. The call to the unemployment office will be to tell them that someone fraudulently made a claim in my name without my permission.

Anyone else ever had this problem or ever even heard of this?
 
I dont really see the big deal. The company you work for is required to file the claim.(they fully expect you to also) This is put in place to help you.

You have been working hard and paying into this, so you should take advantage of it when you are layed off. Thats what it's for.
You should not feel bad about it, or like a low life for using it.

Sure it was for one week lay off, but if you get laid off agin this year...you will get some pay for it.

It's not like it's food stamps or welfare..you have been paying into it...use it.

I am self employed(no unemployment check for me) my unemployment check comes from the spare change jug in my closet..lol
 
I just want the government to F-off and leave the hell alone. I have worked hard to be INDEPENDENT of anyone or anything and don't want a dime from them. Besides, the system is screwy anyway, the amount of "benefit" they say they will pay me is more than what I paid in taxes to NC last year. That just does not add up no matter what kind of funny math you use. If there is anything I DO know, it is that the government has no idea about how to MAKE money, so they did not invest any of whatever I have ever paid them.

I can quit my job today and live comfortably just the way that I have been for at least a year, if not more. I have worked and saved ridiculously hard my whole life to not have to worry about finances. The last thing I want to do is be a part of the "handout society" that we all live in anymore.
 
Dude, calm down!

It ain't a hand out. You paid into it yes, and no, the benefit you paid is not what you will get, you will get more. The explanation is that you pay, and your employer pays an "unemployment insurance" Just like life insurance, car insurance or any other type of insurance. To say that those that are receiving unemployment benefits are part of a hand out society, well, that type of statement can rub some folks the wrong way. My wife is receiving unemployment benefits. I did also back in 2001 and 2002.
If you had a car accident, would you refuse the insurance payout?
If you were to die, would you want your wife to refuse the claim?
If your home burned to the ground, would you refuse the claim money even though you have paid into it through monthly premiums?
 
I was unemployed for Jan, 6th - May1st of this year. When you see the things you have worked hard for come in jeopardy and you may not be able to pay the bills you will be glad to have that 1 week wait time out of the way. The papers are just formalities. Relax and be happy you are still working, many people are not...
 
No one really gets it. This is the government's way of getting their hands on more of people's money without making it look like a tax. If they hold the money then pay you they get to tax it. If you don't take it, they can't tax it. All they want is that tax money, they don't want to help you.

I don't want the money. If I lose my job I don't want the money. I will take care of myself, thanks.

I posted my question on a couple forums and all I am getting is "what is your problem?" as a response. My problem is that I don't need or want help. If I did I would ask for it.
 
I understand where He's coming from. I got laid of the same time and place as what Chip was refering to. I was a recent dad and very proud of what I had worked hard for and established. I went out found another job within 1 1/2 weeks just because I felt I was going to do it on my own like always. I gave up the opportunity to get a free 2 yr education and took a $15,000 pay cut all for stupid pride and panic. Looking back it was very regretable. I was mad and scared for my families well being. My family relied on my single income and we were Damn well going to make it on our own. Thats what I got: a struggle to get by while several friends benifited by increasing their education and moving further than I have in their careers even up to this date. I'm very proud I pulled through, but I ask myself- Did I have to do it the hard way? If another company I work for offers any kind of "hand out", "assistance", or what ever its called I'll not ever pass it up again. Just because its the situation your in it doesn't brand you as "to sorry to do for yourself". Its the one who deliberately look for such a situation that should be rideculed.
 
Damn, usually people are bitching because the government is taking money, not when they are trying to give you money.
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you could always just deny the check right?? the check is just a temporary "get ya by". like dylan said, if it does come to it, take it if you must.
 
OnlyOneDR said:
I don't want the money. If I lose my job I don't want the money. I will take care of myself, thanks.
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You say that, but that's not actually what you're doing. If you can take care of yourself, then employ yourself. Otherwise, when you go to work for someone else, they are required by law to pay unemployment insurance for you, with the understanding on your part that you will be entitled to that compensation if they can't employ you due to a lack of work.
 
By all means, if you really need it, use it. I don't need it, don't want it, and damn well don't want anyone shoving it down my throat. My company filed the crap for me without my consent, and I'll be damned if they put us on leave again and checks start showing up. I swear I will take them back to the unemployment office and give them back.

Don't get me wrong, I am very appreciative of where I am in life, it is because I have sacrificed a lot and done a lot of hard work to get here. And I do appreciate all of you for listening to my rant.
 
If you paid full coverage insurance on you car, and it was stolen, would you turn down the check just because you could afford a new one without them paying you? If your car was worth $20k and you had it for a year and only paid $1000 in insurance, would you tell them you could only accept $1000 because that is all you paid in?

Unemployment insurance is just that, insurance.
You pay in, your employer pays in, and when you get laid off, it is your money to take. It is fine if you don't want to take it, but don't get upset about it. Also, don't let your pride prevent you from taking what is rightfully yours. Hell, if nothing else take it and put it in a retirement fund because rest assured the government is working on screwing you out of your social security.
 
OnlyOneDR said:
By all means, if you really need it, use it. I don't need it, don't want it, and damn well don't want anyone shoving it down my throat. My company filed the crap for me without my consent, and I'll be damned if they put us on leave again and checks start showing up. I swear I will take them back to the unemployment office and give them back.

Don't get me wrong, I am very appreciative of where I am in life, it is because I have sacrificed a lot and done a lot of hard work to get here. And I do appreciate all of you for listening to my rant.
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regardless of your logic on the rest, they did not file anything without your consent.

There are 2 parts to an unemployment claim, one you file and one an employer files, anytime you are laid off they are required by law to report your status, if they dont they are subject to huge fines, the filed their paperwork, nothing more nothing less....that many companies dont do it is irrelevant in this discussion but checks wont come unless you do your half.


BTW why not take the money if the situation arrives and give it to those less fortunate...
 
if I did not want the money, and they were offering I would just throw it in the back pile and pay my taxes at the end of the year. let the gov pay itself
 
Wow.... this is completely not the situation I figured it would be when I read the title of the thread!

The other day I was at a restaurant that was getting ready to open (I service the restaurant industry with chemicals for dish machines and the like). The gal that came in before me was looking for a job. The manager was able to give her a few minutes to ask about her employment history. She was an older woman (mid 50's) wearing cut off shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt.

She said she had worked in "some restaurants some time ago" and that she could do "just about everything..." She had no resume, could not tell him where she had worked, what she had done and could not leave him a phone number to get in contact with. He asked her to come back the next day so she could have a more in-depth interview (and to get her $hit together). She said she wasn't sure she would be able to get back to this side of town that day, but she wanted him to sign her unemployment form today.

He refused to sign it because they had not had a proper interview. He said, "To be honest, I don't know anything about your work history or anything more than I did when you walked in." She stormed out. She wasn't looking for a job, she was looking for a hand-out.

I do respect that the author of this thread doesn't want to take the unemployment money, but remember, it's there if you need it. This economy is unlike anything that I've ever seen. Your savings may not last as long as you like and it's good to know that the unemployment insurance is there as a backup.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Wow.... this is completely not the situation I figured it would be when I read the title of the thread!
The other day I was at a restaurant that was getting ready to open (I service the restaurant industry with chemicals for dish machines and the like). The gal that came in before me was looking for a job. The manager was able to give her a few minutes to ask about her employment history. She was an older woman (mid 50's) wearing cut off shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt.
She said she had worked in "some restaurants some time ago" and that she could do "just about everything..." She had no resume, could not tell him where she had worked, what she had done and could not leave him a phone number to get in contact with. He asked her to come back the next day so she could have a more in-depth interview (and to get her $hit together). She said she wasn't sure she would be able to get back to this side of town that day, but she wanted him to sign her unemployment form today.
He refused to sign it because they had not had a proper interview. He said, "To be honest, I don't know anything about your work history or anything more than I did when you walked in." She stormed out. She wasn't looking for a job, she was looking for a hand-out.
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I used to be in retail management years ago and this type of shit happens all the time.

These people would come in dressed like they are doing their laundry and dragging their kids in asking in an abrupt manner if we were hiring. They way they were dressed and approached me, I wouldn't hire them to scrape shit off my shoes, let alone trust them in a store full of merchandise and work near a cash drawer so I would simply just say no. They would then whip out that sheet of paper. Basically, they are looking for you to say no and sign it with no expectations or desire to actually get a job. At first, I would sign the sheet and write please contact and put a number on it. After never getting a phone call and seeing that the government would rather give a hand out then do their job, I then would hand them an application and tell them if they filled my sheet out, I would fill theirs out. Never got a taker on that.

Funny thing is, I have seen these people come in after seeing them with that sheet at another store and answered yes I was hiring and handed them an application even though I wasn't. The response would still be if I can sign their sheet and I would say when I get the application back. Never once saw that application either.

All they want is the easy signature.
Basically, their job was going around and getting signatures.
 
Autobot said:
All they want is the easy signature.
Basically, their job was going around and getting signatures.
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And that, my friends, is exactly the system that I do not want to be a part of. So just because that place was not hiring there was not another place down the street she could go to? Please. I see signs up all over the place looking for help. They may be "menial" jobs but they are still jobs.
I found out two things after talking to the ESC of NC and then my HR Department.

1. The ESC advised that because I did not work at least 24 hours in the work week that my employer could voluntarily send in the claim. They do not have to do this for you.

2. My employer acknowledged that they should have communicated which states they were planning on doing automatic claims for. They did not. They have also marked my record to never do that again, and anyone else can have theirs marked as well.

I had to fax in a letter stating that I wanted my record striken with the ESC and have my claim withdrawn. I wrote my letter in such a manner that I should be receiving written notification once this is done. As an aside, the gentleman on the other end of the phone was not very forthcoming with the information on how to do this. Of course I am digging in his very pocket by having them do all of this so he did not sound very happy. I had to ask him three times to tell me how to script the letter so it would not be rejected when it went for approval.

F-ing government.
 
OnlyOneDR said:
And that, my friends, is exactly the system that I do not want to be a part of. So just because that place was not hiring there was not another place down the street she could go to? Please. I see signs up all over the place looking for help. They may be "menail" jobs but they are still jobs.
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I agree with that part of the system being screwed up, but you are not trying to take advantage of it or rape it. You put in money for it every check. You employer matches that which technically is still your money because it is part of your pay (basically, if they didn't pay that money in to taxes, it could go on your check).

I am not going to tell you to take it or even that you should.
All I am going to say is you have a right to that money and there is nothing wrong with taking it.
 
Live in a Mid-size sedan with a wife and two young kids for a while and you will change your tune. Been there, done that. Benifits ran out and we did what we had to to get by. That was 17 years ago and it is stuck in my mind like it was yesterday. Don't let your pride get in the way of whats right for your family.
 
Workers don't pay in. The government forces employers to pay into the pork barrel in hopes that when people draw on it they get tax money even though no one is working. It is self-serving to the government with the guise of looking like an altruistic way to help people. If they really wanted to make it out to help people they wouldn't tax it. Just like 401ks, IRAs, and all these other "programs" to help out the little guys. It is all about generating more tax revenue for them, it has nothing to do with helping the little people. They just hang the carrot out there to keep us running.

Again I appreciate the feedback and patience with my temper in this thread. I was so enraged the other day that I almost could not stand myself.
 
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