Uwharrie land might be sold

Rob

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This isn't directed at you, Rob, it's just one of my pet peaves as to how the farking media never tells you the whole story. This post isn't the whole story either, BTW.

What the hell does being in NC have to do with anything? This is federal land we're talking about. I'm not for it, let's get that straight right off the bat, BUT have any of the whining tree huggers actually gone out and looked at what may come onto the block? Some of the parcels I know about are isolated disconnected parcels that are already surrounded by residential and agricultural development. More than one of the so-called "pristine" tracts has two farking housing developments bordering it. Yes, they look great on first glance, but take another look. The so-called "pristine" streams have been silted-up by shitty environmental controls during the construction process and by the damn septic tanks in the bordering developments. In addition, there have been problems with access to these undeveloped tracts through the now developed properties, and your tax money is being spent to manage real estate that no longer meets forest land criteria and has virtually no value to the overall forest plan. Too bad some of it just can't be preserved for its intrinsic value, but money is, of course, the more powerful influence.

The land was undeveloped when it was acquired, so there aren't many established access roads or rights-of-way into them because those that did exist have been cut off or built on. There has been a great deal of resistance to allowing access to OUR lands by adjoining landowners despite the fact that landlocking property is strictly against the law. Now the people who own the bordering lands don't want to "disturb" their own properties with rights-of-way for the forest service to get into OUR lands, and you can't blame them for that, but didn't they see that coming when they purchased their parcels? In some cases, imminent domain would be the only way for the forest service to gain their right of access and that ain't gonna be pleasant. So due to the cost of litigation and condemnation procedures, and the fact that the land no longer meets acquisition parameters, a lot of parcels will just be sold anyway, whether we like it or not.

A great number of these tracts were purchased way before the development took place with future connecting purchases in the extended plan, or were estate gifts from deceased land owners. Blame the damn planning and zoning boards for allowing the farking development. Blame your government representatives for handing down mandates to the forest service regarding the forest lands qualifications and then turning around and cutting the very budgets that are to be used to maintain the damn lands and acquire the connecting lands. Now that these politicians have spent the proposed and potential funding on other things, they gotta get into the public assets to cover their waste, and on top of it all, after adding more responsibilities and cutting personnel budgets, they've thrown the responsibility back on the forest service for determining which parcels need to go.

The bottom line is that most of the problem lies with the bunch of selfish sons-of bitches who now own the adjoining properties and with the bunch of self-serving sons-of-bitches and twats, local, state, and federal, that the dumbass public keeps voting into office, and that includes me.

Rant mode OFF. :D
 
Paging WildChild.. Please up his dosage, he's getting worked up again... :flipoff2:

Well said, PapaTaco. :D
 
So if the state wants more and the USFS wants to sell...........insert common sense here.
 
Well put Bruce.

This quote from the Charlotte Observer worries me.--> "Jones believes the Uwharrie National Forest, 50 miles east of Charlotte and a few miles from the zoo, could become the hub of a woodsy playground for well-to-do city dwellers." My family owns 146 acres of land that joins the UNF on two differnt sides and a big tract of land owned by a timber company on another. Every month we have to deal with trespassers leaving the shiney-happy confines of the US Goverment provided woodsy playground. Then we usally have to back trail them and pick up the trash they leave behind. On the other side we have dealt with the timber company cutting trees to close too the stream side management zones and the damage this caused to the stream running through our property. Does Uwharrie need more "well-to-do city dwellers" looking for a "woodsy playground" and greedy land owners looking to make a quick buck be dammed the land? H@LL NO!

There is a tract of UNF that joins us that has(had) a good road system (closed & gated but open to foot traffic) that has not been cleared of downed trees & debris since the ice storm of December 2002. I have not saw a vehicle parked at the gate in the last three years. If it comes up for sale I hope we can purchase it and add it to the property we already own. At least we could keep the land from being slashed & burned and a housing development from springing up.

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FishHunt said:
My family owns 146 acres of land that joins the UNF
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We are gonna swap hunts next year my man. You have an open invite for Ashe Co.:D
 
Don't know how many people are aware, but thanx to personnel and facilities budget cuts, and if not for the saving grace success of the day-use fees and annual pass program that has been instituted at Badin Lakes OHV Area, the trails at Uwharrie would have been closed a year ago. Back about 2003 that was actually side-noted in the projected budget for 2004-2005 fiscal year, and was a "fer sure" side-note in the 2005-2006 projected budget.

Make a note to yourselves that the people charged with the well-being of their own jobs at the USFS are always thinking of ways to stay employed another fiscal year. If the trails close, the personnel required to accomodate the OHV area demands will be gone, so they're actually on our side in keeping the trails open. We just have to remember that they don't really make the overhead rules, they make the ones dealing with carrying out the overhead rules.
 
Sounds like a plan to me Franklin.

We have a good sized cabin (check the pic) on the property and several tracts of land leased close to the cabin. There is still some good hunting around Uwharrie. If you walk past the areas that get hunted hard (400 yards away from any road that you can drive a truck or atv on) you will have the woods to yourself on the UNF land that joins us also.

Ashe Co. is a GREAT place to hunt. Thanks for the offer. :)

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Definitely a plan.
 
Franklin said:
So if the state wants more and the USFS wants to sell...........insert common sense here.
Common sense? Wuzzat? :confused:
 
Trebissky said:
Common sense? Wuzzat? :confused:

It's the kind of thing that says "No, do not attach a Jeep TJ front bumper onto the front of a S-10" :flipoff2:
 
I too am against the proposals for selling the lands to support programs that could be funded by alternative methods. This is only a proposal at this time, and there will be a review process to determine the true status and worth of the properties, as well as a search for methods to avoid selling the lands by funding the schools through alternative methods. The other side of an untenable situation is that the US Department of Agriculture is continuing to spend tax money managing lands that they would be forbidden to acquire today, lands that do not meet management protocols, lands that have no like/kind exchange value, and lands that are now surrounded by locally zoned and regulated land that makes forest management lands fall into an "undesireable use" category according to adjoining zoning.

A lot of this land is property acquired through gifts and wills of deceased persons, it has never met forest management protocols due to size, zoning, terrain, etc., yet the USFS has had to spend tax money to manage and maintain its status because it's in the inventory. Some of these isolated tracts are less than 5 acres in size, and the ignorant greeny sons of bitches want us to keep pissing that money away because they have no facts, just touchy-feely "emotions." In addition, the fact that the truly inappropriate lands are in the public domain means that they are not contributing one dime to the local or state tax bases. That's the part that really pisses me off. The fawking ignorance of the squawking public is absolutely astounding at times.
 
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