Western Drought

ponykilr

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I keep reading about and seeing on the news that the west is in severe drought.

While I personally believe it is returning to its more natural state after an unusually wet period since the 1800s (plus incredible efforts in irrigation over that period) the real issue is how it could affect food prices and availability.

It is a very interesting topic with many facets and directions and I’m interested as always in other takes.

Grain, vegetables, fruit and beef could be seriously compromised.
 
The folks interviewed, ranchers and farmers, were saying that this was the worst drought since the 70s.

Having been out west on a few occasions, I know how dry it can be in normal times. I have a buddy with a ranch (he leases the land for grazing) and go out with him sometimes to check on things. It is a beautiful but completely unforgiving land.


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I have the answer....let's allow millions upon millions of people to move here, invade, and immigrate to further strain our resources and infrastructure! That should do it.
You sound like a Native American ;)
 
It is interesting, as it seems like the west & midwest have been pounded with rain through the winter and spring this year.

The drought isnt helping, but years of depleting the topsoil in the west and midwest are going to come back and bite everyone. The dust bowl was a precursor, and will happen again, since we didnt seem to listen the first time around.

I know a few local farmers who have switched from grazing mostly cattle to growing hay. They have been shipping truckloads out west for a few years now. Sounds like a profitable business from what they say.
 
Another interesting facet is the depletion of the aquifers out west. I have read about it but am far from knowledgeable to the intricacies. The pumping of ground water at an amazing clip has reduced levels that took hundreds if not thousands of years to accumulate.





The midwest like western Arkansas and Missouri has noticeably changed. Kansas west has pretty much always been dry and by west Kansas is desert. The upper MW is reverting to this as well and human efforts are seemingly not having much effect.

I not alarmist here but it is a very interesting topic and can go in so many directions.

The drought isnt helping, but years of depleting the topsoil in the west and midwest are going to come back and bite everyone. The dust bowl was a precursor, and will happen again, since we didnt seem to listen the first time around.
 
Another interesting facet is the depletion of the aquifers out west. I have read about it but am far from knowledgeable to the intricacies. The pumping of ground water at an amazing clip has reduced levels that took hundreds if not thousands of years to accumulate.





The midwest like western Arkansas and Missouri has noticeably changed. Kansas west has pretty much always been dry and by west Kansas is desert. The upper MW is reverting to this as well and human efforts are seemingly not having much effect.

I not alarmist here but it is a very interesting topic and can go in so many directions.
I saw a video last night on something very similar. It was an ad for a piece of tractor equipment, I believe. Basically an attachment that went down into the auqifer/waterway and pumped water out into the field of corn. The pipe was easily 12" diameter and they were basically flooding the field, that looked to be hundreds of acres. I understand that irrigation is needed, but didnt need to do any math to say that the amount of water it was going to take to irrigate that field would quickly drain the water source dry.
 
It is interesting, as it seems like the west & midwest have been pounded with rain through the winter and spring this year.

The drought isnt helping, but years of depleting the topsoil in the west and midwest are going to come back and bite everyone. The dust bowl was a precursor, and will happen again, since we didnt seem to listen the first time around.

I know a few local farmers who have switched from grazing mostly cattle to growing hay. They have been shipping truckloads out west for a few years now. Sounds like a profitable business from what they say.
I have a friend who has multple properties leased to raise hay on.If you have good quality hay you dont have to ship it out west.The horse folks will come to you.but yeah that's a pretty common thing now.
 
I have a friend who has multple properties leased to raise hay on.If you have good quality hay you dont have to ship it out west.The horse folks will come to you.but yeah that's a pretty common thing now.
Yeah, he isnt doing anything but cutting, baling and helping to load. He got hooked up with a Hay Broker out west and they arrange and cover all the shipping. I know that he did spend the coin to get one of the balers that makes the large 4ft square bales, cuz he could stack them tighter and fit more on a truckload.
 
I not alarmist here but it is a very interesting topic and can go in so many directions.
If there’s a time to sound an alarm, it’s when the well runs dry. I had a job offer out in Colorado about a decade ago and almost moved out there, it’s gorgeous. The water is why I stayed here, you’re breaking the law if you have a rain barrel out there…
 
If there’s a time to sound an alarm, it’s when the well runs dry. I had a job offer out in Colorado about a decade ago and almost moved out there, it’s gorgeous. The water is why I stayed here, you’re breaking the law if you have a rain barrel out there…
Yeah I go myself with my buddy Don who owns a ranch outside Westcliffe CO. It is a very dry place. His ranch has water rights which is almost as valuable as the land itself.
 
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Dozens of daily records were set Monday as highs soared into the 90s and hit triple digits across cities in the Western part of the country, stretching all the way north to the Canadian border.

Denver hit 101 and Montana's capital, Helena, reached a sizzling 104 degrees. Records in Salt Lake City and Billings, Montana, were broken by 5 degrees or more. Record highs are typically only broken by 1 or 2 degrees, so the fact many were obliterated by large margins speaks to the intensity of the heat that's baking that part of the country.

And there's not much relief in sight, as the extreme heat across the West will only intensify and become more widespread through the rest of the week.

About 200 million people are projected to experience temperatures over 90 degrees over the next seven days, and 40 million over 100 degrees.

More than 50 million Americans were under heat warnings and watches Tuesday as triple digits, coupled with bone-dry humidity, choke the West throughout the week. Highs could skyrocket up to 30 degrees above average in some spots, and nearly 200 daily record highs are possible by the end of the week.

The records that fall will encompass both the afternoon highs baked under the sun and overnight lows that fail to cool down. The records could also include monthly and all-time record highs.

For example, temperatures as high as 125 to 127 degrees could sear portions of the desert Southwest, challenging the all-time hottest temperatures for the month of June. The situation has become so dire that power grid operators in California and Texas are urging residents to conserve power in response to the heat wave to avoid rolling blackouts.

For Texas, this is particularly concerning given their hottest days of the year are yet to come. Climatologically speaking, temperatures reach their peak during the month of August across the Lone Star State.

And even "escaping" to the mountains won’t bring any relief. By Thursday, Grand Junction, Colorado, at 4,500 feet could set a record of 105; Denver at 5,280 feet could set a record of 97; Flagstaff, Arizona, at 6,900 feet, could set a record of 91.

About 4 million people remain under red flag warnings as the fire danger intensifies to critical levels, and these warnings are expected to expand as the high heat and gusty winds continue to engulf the West through the remainder of the week.

Extreme heat in West could break 200 records, produce temps up to 127 degrees
 
My friend Don went out to CO (I couldn’t go because almost everybody in my family has June Bdays) and he said that he couldn’t believe how green it is in the valley.

He is between the Sangre de Cristo Range and the Wet Mountains and he said the well level is the highest it’s been in a decade and all the grass in the valley is green.

I’ve never seen it like this.


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He got rain the first day



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I'm surprised someone hasn't proposed a pipe line east to west to carry water to those idiots out there.
 
I'm surprised someone hasn't proposed a pipe line east to west to carry water to those idiots out there.

Pipe lines are bad, remember?

Duane
 
I don’t think it’s possible to beat the desert.
You might whip it for a season but in the end it wins.
 
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