Why is this even newsworthy?

[ManglerYJ]

So now two valedictorians have stated in their commencement speeches that they are undocumented immigrants. OK..... that is a protected right under Federal Law. I don't agree with it, but it's not my place to contest it. I personally don't understand why someone who is their High School valedictorian wouldn't have taken the US Citizenship test (they are obviously smart enough to ace that test), other than........




perhaps to mock the very government that afforded you that right? In that case it's no surprise that every news agency would jump all over this.

 

[rockcity]

One of them has been waiting on their application to process for 7 years. The article didn't elaborate why. It sounds like at least one of them has been trying to take the next step but is delayed for some reason.

 

[Ron]

One of them has been waiting on their application to process for 7 years. The article didn't elaborate why. It sounds like at least one of them has been trying to take the next step but is delayed for some reason.

Unfortunately that's the norm.
I am as anti illegal immigration as they come , but the second half of the equation is we need immigration process reform to make legal immigration reasonable possibility for the right folks.

 

[rockcity]

Unfortunately that's the norm.
I am as anti illegal immigration as they come , but the second half of the equation is we need immigration process reform to make legal immigration reasonable possibility for the right folks.

I agree 100%. If we have a reasonable path to citizenship, it may help reduce the illegals.

 

[GotWood]

It's just the drug dealers and rapists that Donnie wants to keep out, not the valedictorians.

 

[ManglerYJ]

One of them has been waiting on their application to process for 7 years. The article didn't elaborate why. It sounds like at least one of them has been trying to take the next step but is delayed for some reason.

So again, I ask.... why is it newsworthy then? If you are making the necessary steps to make you legal, but are trapped in bureaucratic red tape process, you are at least making an effort. I know it is a process and probably harder than it could be, but seeing as how US Citizenship status SHOULD be important enough for an immigrant, perhaps it shouldn't be a simple process. But at this point, seeing as how an illegal immigrant can get free healthcare, public education, housing, food allowances and a host of other government programs, the citizenship status has little additional benefit.

 

[Loganwayne]

Unfortunately that's the norm.
I am as anti illegal immigration as they come , but the second half of the equation is we need immigration process reform to make legal immigration reasonable possibility for the right folks.

I think it has to be a two step plan to keep illegals out. First like you said make it easier to become legal. Second is to have harder punishment for being here illegal. Right now it's a slap on the wrist if that

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[Chuckman]

its not 'news' its fodder to sell ads. silly sheeple

 

[Blaze]

So again, I ask.... why is it newsworthy then? If you are making the necessary steps to make you legal, but are trapped in bureaucratic red tape process, you are at least making an effort.

Maybe it is newsworthy because it draws attention to the fact that it is so hard for people to become legal citizens, thus encouraging people to NOT try and become legal citizens?

 

[Jus Jim]

The Immigration "issue" is too much of a great topic in party vs party for them to fix it. As long as both sides can use it as an election topic and vote generator they are all happy. Make it easier for good folks to get in and harder for bad ones to come and stay.

 

[ManglerYJ]

Maybe it is newsworthy because it draws attention to the fact that it is so hard for people to become legal citizens, thus encouraging people to NOT try and become legal citizens?

I agree that it shouldn't require years of bureaucratic red tape, but it shouldn't be overly simplified either. It should be difficult, because it should be worth it (worth it for the benefits it gives you, or worth it for the hassle it saves you). Same reason I don't feel that a college education should be free. Something that is free, generally has no perceived value.

 

[Blaze]

I agree that it shouldn't require years of bureaucratic red tape, but it shouldn't be overly simplified either. It should be difficult, because it should be worth it (worth it for the benefits it gives you, or worth it for the hassle it saves you). Same reason I don't feel that a college education should be free. Something that is free, generally has no perceived value.

I agree, but 7 years....come on. After about 3 years I'd just be like "fuck this" and just go about with my illegal self. I'm too lazy to keep up with that shit.

 

[TARider]

Same reason I don't feel that a college education should be free. Something that is free, generally has no perceived value.

Don't even get me started on this. My blood pressure goes up every time a politician says it. There's not a damn thing free about it, just more shit I'll have to pay for as I bring home less of the money I earned.

 

[Fabrik8]

Same reason I don't feel that a college education should be free. Something that is free, generally has no perceived value.

I feel the same, but I think that the problem is not a devaluation because it's free, but rather a devaluation of the level of education/skill because it's easier to attain (if it's free).

It's the same reason that every special flower with a college education feels entitled to an eleventy-thousand dollar a year job just for graduating. Are you now vastly overqualified for a job at Starbucks even though you can't find a job with your college degree in Faceb... err... Social Media Management/Marketing/etc.? Good luck, because a horrifying amount of early-20s girls/guys (who would love to get paid for spending all day on Facebook just as much as you do) just got the exact same degree and are competing for the same jobs with no more experience than you have......

 

[Chris_M]

College shouldn't be free, but it should be affordable. I should be able to work 40 hrs at 10-12 bucks an hour, and provide absolute necessities, plus cover tuition.

If I want to study basket weaving, I should be able to.
The dumbass that takes out a $100k loan on a liberal arts degree is just crazy.

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[TARider]

College shouldn't be free, but it should be affordable. I should be able to work 40 hrs at 10-12 bucks an hour, and provide absolute necessities, plus cover tuition.

Now that I can agree with. A coworker is paying $40k a year for his kid. That's insane.
Unfortunately what will really happen is they will call it the "Affordable Education Act" (because who could be against anything called that) and royally screw up both the level of service and what it really costs us in the long run.

 

[ManglerYJ]

College shouldn't be free, but it should be affordable. I should be able to work 40 hrs at 10-12 bucks an hour, and provide absolute necessities, plus cover tuition.

If I want to study basket weaving, I should be able to.
The dumbass that takes out a $100k loan on a liberal arts degree is just crazy.

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I think you hit on the key word there..... necessities. People now a days have no idea what that word means. I graduated from Michigan State University and paid my own way. No grants, no loans, no financial aid. Why? Because my dad made too much money (not that he gave any of it to me). It caused me to evaluate how important it was for me to have a degree. Was I willing to eat 10 for $1 ramen noodles and mac & cheese for weeks at a time, working two and three jobs, hawking pizza at football games just to pay the bills? Well, the jury is still out on whether it was ACTUALLY worth it, but it seemed to be at the time.

Now I see family friends who's kids have dropped out of community college twice, to no personal sacrifice of their own because it was all paid for by Pell Grants. But those very same kids insist that they can't live without a cell phone, data plan, car, insurance, gas and spending money - but with no job. "But the economy sucks...." Yet, I drive by business after business with help wanted signs out front.

 

[Ron]

College shouldn't be free, but it should be affordable. I should be able to work 40 hrs at 10-12 bucks an hour, and provide absolute necessities, plus cover tuition.

If I want to study basket weaving, I should be able to.

And who should teach you?
Remember if you are only going to pay $5,000 year for your basket weaving degree. They can probably only pay their basket weaving professor $35,000/yr.
At which point he wont teach because even though he is the worst basket weaver in the world (those who cant teach) he can still make $50,000 yr as a horrible basket weaver.

 

[XJsavage]

It's bad manners to talk with a mouth full of food, but I'll be rude for a minute.
I hate sports, I hate sports coaches making millions of dollars a year, I hate anything that doesn't contribute anything to society (sports), I hate freeloaders, I hate being a continued education student having to pay these BS sport coaches salaries, I hate liberals, I hate pop music, I hate that a country founded on immigration makes it such a bitch to immigrate too. On a more positive note, it's not raining.

 

[Ron]

Ummm sports coaches are paid by sports boosters NOT students. Other than that rant on.

 

[XJsavage]

Ummm sports coaches are paid by sports boosters NOT students. Other than that rant on.

I actually thought a portion of tuition went straight into coaches pockets.
That's what I get for being Oscar the grouch.

 

[Ron]

I actually thought a portion of tuition went straight into coaches pockets.
That's what I get for being Oscar the grouch.

Not sure where you are attending and this can vary by school.
But , for example, at Clemson University the Athletic Department is 100% self sustaining and it donates ~$1,000,000 year back to the Academic Institution. That doesnt even factor in the free marketing benefit. For example in the last 6 months Clemson has received 5x the previous record number of applications from potential enrolling students due in large part to the expsoure generated through their run in the College Football Playoffs back in January.

So Dabo Swinney make $4MM, but the Clemson Football team made the University just north of $60 MM last yea...

 

[XJsavage]

I bailed on that part and put my time and money elsewhere so I really can't gripe on that. But the rest is legit dammit.

 

[RatLabGuy]

But at this point, seeing as how an illegal immigrant can get free healthcare, public education, housing, food allowances and a host of other government programs, the citizenship status has little additional benefit.

Sigh.
Here we go again.
Please point to where and how an illegal immigrant can (legally) get free healthcare, housing, or food allowances on behalf of the government.

 

[Ron]

Sigh.
Here we go again.
Please point to where and how an illegal immigrant can (legally) get free healthcare, housing, or food allowances on behalf of the government.

No one said legally.
They are already illegal. So lets go 1 by 1.
Healthcare - Get sick, go to the emergency room. Cant be denied healthcare. Have fake id. Who cares where they send the bill. Never pay it. Major problem for healthcare currently.
Housing - This one is actually a doozie. Rent from someone, pay 1 month in cash. Stop paying. Refuse to leave. Have fun evicting them when you can file papers because you cant verify their name. I inherited one of these tenants on a recent property...going through it now.
Food - Free lunch at school. Food banks. There is plenty of free food,.