Wiring Up 220 Volt

ckruzer

ckruzer

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Im buy no means "an electrical guy". A wiring harness and DC come natural, but house electrics just plain scare me. Well time to be brave.

Got people who want to bring their 220 stuff over and Im sure one day I will upgrade from a chinese 110 welder to a 220 mig.

Here is the plan. As I rent and not own, dont want to get too invasive. So the idea was to wire in the breaker and just have the 220 plug just below the breaker. Would also like to add another 110 there for the compressor and drill press instead of using an ext cord all the time. The idea with it being below the breaker means it reduces wiring routing, and I could literally make it the least invasive that way. Plus it would keep the outlets high off the ground.

1. What are your thoughts on all that? 2. Anyone know any good links on how to add and wire in a a 220 breaker and outlet? And a 110 one?

If anyone wants some free beer and social... open invite :D lol

Thanks!
 

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First off, get written approval from your landlord.

What you're wanting to do isn't hard at all. Will this be surface mounted or will you need to cut in boxes into the wall?
 
ckruzer said:
Im buy no means "an electrical guy". A wiring harness and DC come natural, but house electrics just plain scare me. Well time to be brave.

Got people who want to bring their 220 stuff over and Im sure one day I will upgrade from a chinese 110 welder to a 220 mig.

Here is the plan. As I rent and not own, dont want to get too invasive. So the idea was to wire in the breaker and just have the 220 plug just below the breaker. Would also like to add another 110 there for the compressor and drill press instead of using an ext cord all the time. The idea with it being below the breaker means it reduces wiring routing, and I could literally make it the least invasive that way. Plus it would keep the outlets high off the ground.

1. What are your thoughts on all that? 2. Anyone know any good links on how to add and wire in a a 220 breaker and outlet? And a 110 one?

If anyone wants some free beer and social... open invite :D lol

Thanks!
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That's basically exactly what I did with my old house. Just go a Google search, it is pretty simple really. There are pics and write ups galore. It's not hard, just be sure you turn off the main breaker first. :)
 
Just looked at the pic. I would surface mount a box on the studs on either side of the panel. Duplex boxes on each side and run the wires in the wall.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
Just looked at the pic. I would surface mount a box on the studs on either side of the panel. Duplex boxes on each side and run the wires in the wall.
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This.
AFTER talking to you landlord.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
First off, get written approval from your landlord.

What you're wanting to do isn't hard at all. Will this be surface mounted or will you need to cut in boxes into the wall?
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I have permission if I surface mount. Up to a quarter sized hole is allowed in the sheetrock. I can voluntarily leave it or take it with me if I move.

Blaze said:
That's basically exactly what I did with my old house. Just go a Google search, it is pretty simple really. There are pics and write ups galore. It's not hard, just be sure you turn off the main breaker first. :)
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I didnt google first incase more trustworthy nc4x4 fellas had direct knowledge and a link saved.
 
Loganwayne said:
Dryer in garage?

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That would be the easy way! Nope its inside. If you referring to the units in the build pics, those are just the LLs that need to be wrapped and stored. havent done it yet
 
ckruzer said:
That would be the easy way! Nope its inside. If you referring to the units in the build pics, those are just the LLs that need to be wrapped and stored. havent done it yet
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How far inside? For real i made a drop cord for mine that was like 15ft and then add on to the welder cord i have 30ish feet of cord

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ckruzer said:
I have permission if I surface mount. Up to a quarter sized hole is allowed in the sheetrock. I can voluntarily leave it or take it with me if I move.
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Simple, get a surface mount gang box, anchor it to a stud, run wire through a quarter size hole in the sheetrock and back of gang box up into the panel. It is going to be a bitch to get that wire fished through basically two quarter sized holes that are perpendicular to each other though.
 
Loganwayne said:
How far inside? For real i made a drop cord for mine that was like 15ft and then add on to the welder cord i have 30ish feet of cord

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Enough that the woman would disapprove leaving the cord there. Looking for a "permanent" type solution.

Been on youtube. Seems fairly easy. I presume 120v is for 110v appliances, and 240v is for 220v appliances?
 
Blaze said:
Simple, get a surface mount gang box, anchor it to a stud, run wire through a quarter size hole in the sheetrock and back of gang box up into the panel. It is going to be a bitch to get that wire fished through basically two quarter sized holes that are perpendicular to each other though.
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I got a snake :D
 
I put together a 40' extension cord out of grounded 6/2 wire with an adapter plug to my oven for running my welder. Makes it easier on me being mobile. I can roll it up, throw it and the welder in the trunk of a car along with welding supplies and take on whatever project I need at any location that has a 220v plug nearby. I keep spare male plugs for the common dryer/oven outlets.
 
Willc said:
If the panel is in the garage just drop outlet below panel . Send me a pic of it and I could head up Friday during the day and knock it out in about twenty minutes.
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I thought about this idea too. I could just drop a pig tail under the panel if I can notch it appropriately. Doesn't look like a lot of space so who knows.

Thanks man! I would appreciate that. Let me know if it's a deal and I'll make sure to go get the stuff! If you do, what beer you like? :D

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XJsavage said:
I put together a 40' extension cord out of grounded 6/2 wire with an adapter plug to my oven for running my welder. Makes it easier on me being mobile. I can roll it up, throw it and the welder in the trunk of a car along with welding supplies and take on whatever project I need at any location that has a 220v plug nearby. I keep spare male plugs for the common dryer/oven outlets.
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This is a really awesome idea. And if my dryer was such a pain to get out of the closet it is shoved into, I would be all over this idea! Def something to save for next place (but that should the home we build hopefully)
 
I ran mine in my garage at the house about a foot under the panel and surface mounted it to the stud. Piece of cake. Just get a breaker, some wire, and a knock out grommet. 20 minutes or less!
 
Yes super easy get breakers at Lowe's plenty of room in panel for welder and dedicated air compressor circuit. If you are not comfortable with it I can come up just pm me
 
This is an easy 1 hour project.
As a fellow landlord I am uncomfortable with the language you used about having permission and any sheetrock hole up to quarter size.
Are you using this tenent of the lease agreement as your permission or has he explicitly stated he is fine with adding an electrical outlet?

Whoever does it, dont knock a hole out of the can and shove a wire through it. Fish it from outside in with a proper connector already on the wire so you can add the locknut inside the panel.
Depending on what size circuit you plan to run a quarter sized hole may not be big enough.


Also, are you in Asheville proper? If so Asheville hsas a specific city electrical license and anyone licensed in NC who does this for you as a friend, if caught, is risking their state contractor's license or journeyman's card if they dont have an Asheville City license.

Being as this isnt the garage, that is all I am going to say about that.
 
Watch that panel feed in the cavity below....I have had them do strange bends - ASSuming it is not in conduit.

Either way, be careful, conduit or not...
 
After seeing how this thing is mounted into the wall, I don't know why there would be any talk about quarter-size holes in the drywall.
First - confirm w/ your landlord he is OK with this. Then plan to install a real outlet below.
Then - do it right. Find where is most likely an open space below where there are no wires from where the main exit is there. Use a studfinder or something to confirm it. Use a drywall saw to cut in a box-shaped hole, and plan to use an "old-work" box that goes in the hole. Like Ron said, reach in and push it up so you can put the connector on it. then you can pull your wire through the nice rectangular hole you have, add the box, cover, etc. When finished it will look original and professional.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Use a drywall saw to cut in a box-shaped hole, and plan to use an "old-work" box that goes in the hole. Like Ron said, reach in and push it up so you can put the connector on it. then you can pull your wire through the nice rectangular hole you have, add the box, cover, etc. When finished it will look original and professional.
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Madison Smart Box.
 
I have used may of those "old work" side screw mount boxes...find a stud, clean strong install - especially w/ larger 220v plugs.
 
Fabrik8 said:
Madison Smart Box.
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oh cool, had not seen those before. I like that waaay better than the typical ones that have to grab the drywall.
Sucks you lose so much interior fill space though.
 
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