You won't be seeing these next NASCAR season.

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Chris
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As good as these cars look, there will be no DODGE in NASCAR next year.

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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/07/dodge-withdrawing-from-nascar-after-2012-season/
 
Not the first time they have done this. Be willing to bet you see the Petty group bringing this back one day.....
 
Holyshit it actually looks like a charger, to bad the others don't resemble their counter parts as well. Then we could almost call it stock car racing again.
 
There aint bed a Ford Dodge or Chevy in NASCAR since the late 60s.

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Redneck92 said:
Holyshit it actually looks like a charger, to bad the others don't resemble their counter parts as well. Then we could almost call it stock car racing again.
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There is nothing stock about a stock car.

LOL
 
That Camaro and Charger look stupid. Looks like when some drunk hillbilly throws the frontend of a car onto a different car. It's like a Charger/Avenger and Camaro/Cruze combo.

The Toyota looks like some strange bugeyed mutant fish. The kind you are aftaid to take off the hook when you catch it because it just looks so weird. What a horrible frontend.

The Ford actually looks pretty cool.

But yeah, stock car is such a misstatement. Should be NAATSCAR - National Association of All The Same Car Auto Racing. So boring now, might as well be the IROC series where all the cars are exactly the same, just different colors.
 
drkelly said:
There is nothing stock about a stock car.

LOL
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I know that I just wished they would actually resemble the cars they say they do. NASCAR has become to political to me now, they need to just forget all the damn rules and go racing.
 
Redneck92 said:
I know that I just wished they would actually resemble the cars they say they do. NASCAR has become to political to me now, they need to just forget all the damn rules and go racing.
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I just like pulling that famous quote out when I get the chance, lol. I find stock car racing boring, but I did enjoy the movie Days of Thunder.
 
 
They need to go back to using the factory sheet metal. Use what the factory made, and let the teams and manufacturers worry about whether it's aerodynamic enough or has enough down force.

This business of everyone running the same exact car is what has killed the racing. I remember all the arguing that fans used to do over what changes Nascar allowed Ford/GM/Dodge to make because their cars weren't competitive, and how it was unfair, etc....that was GREAT. That's what made Nascar.

They need to bring back factory sheet metal, short tracks, and do away with restrictor plates. Make 'em use 250 cid engines on the long track to keep the speeds down if they need to. Get back to some real racing, and some real cheating. Let the fans start bitching again about different body advantages, who's doing what illegal, etc.
 
I saw Eddie Middleton at church today. He heads up Penske's cup engine shop. 60 top guys out of work overnight. Glad I got out of it. I had to change teams 3 times one year. I actually had a paycheck bounce once.
 
You wanna fix nascar.
Factory Body Lines. Period.
275c.i.d. V-6 cylinder limit. Valve train mimic stock. Period.
otherwise GO BUILD IT.
That car can run 215-220 on the straight at Talladega, but will ahve to BRAKE in the corner...novel concept I know.
The issue NASCAR has is they regulate a 900hp motor to 700hp (essentially) everyone has 700 hp...so the difference is int he coefficient of friction fo the right rear wheel bearing...finding 30hp is cheap reducing drag by 7 nanometers is expensive.
 
Ron said:
You wanna fix nascar.
Factory Body Lines. Period.
275c.i.d. V-6 cylinder limit. Valve train mimic stock. Period.
otherwise GO BUILD IT.
That car can run 215-220 on the straight at Talladega, but will ahve to BRAKE in the corner...novel concept I know.
The issue NASCAR has is they regulate a 900hp motor to 700hp (essentially) everyone has 700 hp...so the difference is int he coefficient of friction fo the right rear wheel bearing...finding 30hp is cheap reducing drag by 7 nanometers is expensive.
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To your point, Ron.... I think the last real innovation was made by Ernie Elliot for Bills Tbird. It took nascar a long time for to figure out they had cambered the rear axle. They kept looking under the hood for all that illegal speed.:D
 
nctom said:
To your point, Ron.... I think the last real innovation was made by Ernie Elliot for Bills Tbird. It took nascar a long time for to figure out they had cambered the rear axle. They kept looking under the hood for all that illegal speed.:D
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Nah...Knaus has thrown better ideas away and never tried them.
A good friend works for Hendricks and swears that over a few too many once he heard this line "Finding something that they (NASCAR) wont is easy, inding something that isnt so damn fast that everyone wants them to look is the hard part."
 
I worked for Gary Nelson and Bobby Allison @ Digard durring the glory years. There are still things I wont talk about. I dont want to tarnish anyone's image. Lets just say EVERYBODY was cheating. We won Daytona with a "innovative" plain white, unsponsored, R&D car with Greg Sacks driving it. In the video Greg is blowing smoke to the reporter about the great cowl induction. The front center link did help, but there was a lot more than that going on. They didnt even have a car sponsor's hat to give him in victory circle, because there was none. After the post race inspection, NASCAR told us that it WAS legal within the current rule book, but if they ever saw a single piece of it on another race car they would never let it race. It was like looking inside a alien space craft for them, they could not really comprehend what they were seeing and it scared the shit out of them. This car was the real reason they had paid the price to hire Gary. When he got hired by NASCAR to be the Head Inspector in 92, he slowed the smart, thinking man's, home grown cheating way down and by proxy, he made it very expensive to cheat. Hidden traction control was the first thing to move into the picture. It would add 15 grand to the cost of a car. That dosent sound like much now, but back in the day, it divided the rich from the smart/hard workers. My good friend David Capps is the head engineer in the engine dept. at Hendricks, he tells me some stuff once in a while... Like the dollar figure for dropping the center of gravity of the rotating mass of an engine a half inch... Its ridiculously stupid money and it takes a tremendous effort to get it done.

Knauss is slick, no doubt, but he has to get in a long line of innovators to be judged. I would like to put the top 5 guys in a contest to see who could make a duplicate car the fastest and pass current inspection.
 
nctom said:
To your point, Ron.... I think the last real innovation was made by Ernie Elliot for Bills Tbird. It took nascar a long time for to figure out they had cambered the rear axle. They kept looking under the hood for all that illegal speed.:D
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I thought Bill's car was built slightly smaller, like 7/8 scale or something
 
nctom said:
Knauss is slick, no doubt, but he has to get in a long line of innovators to be judged. I would like to put the top 5 guys in a contest to see who could make a duplicate car the fastest and pass current inspection.
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Right, dont mistake what Im saying. Im no Knauss fan, and he certainly aint the first. But when you get to the point that you are analyzing the rear windshield material and looking for a membrane material that will allow air to pass through without creating drag and still looking like a solid piece of plexi...lets just say you are pushing the envelope and looking at thing a different way. And thats the obvious stuff.

Id love to have a dose of truth syrum and 10-12 of the best and brightest and just see whats runnign around out there.
 
nctom said:
I worked for Gary Nelson and Bobby Allison @ Digard durring the glory years. There are still things I wont talk about. I dont want to tarnish anyone's image. Lets just say EVERYBODY was cheating. We won Daytona with a "innovative" plain white, unsponsored, R&D car with Greg Sacks driving it. In the video Greg is blowing smoke to the reporter about the great cowl induction. The front center link did help, but there was a lot more than that going on. They didnt even have a car sponsor's hat to give him in victory circle, because there was none. After the post race inspection, NASCAR told us that it WAS legal within the current rule book, but if they ever saw a single piece of it on another race car they would never let it race. It was like looking inside a alien space craft for them, they could not really comprehend what they were seeing and it scared the shit out of them. This car was the real reason they had paid the price to hire Gary. When he got hired by NASCAR to be the Head Inspector in 92, he slowed the smart, thinking man's, home grown cheating way down and by proxy, he made it very expensive to cheat. Hidden traction control was the first thing to move into the picture. It would add 15 grand to the cost of a car. That dosent sound like much now, but back in the day, it divided the rich from the smart/hard workers. My good friend David Capps is the head engineer in the engine dept. at Hendricks, he tells me some stuff once in a while... Like the dollar figure for dropping the center of gravity of the rotating mass of an engine a half inch... Its ridiculously stupid money and it takes a tremendous effort to get it done.

Knauss is slick, no doubt, but he has to get in a long line of innovators to be judged. I would like to put the top 5 guys in a contest to see who could make a duplicate car the fastest and pass current inspection.
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I can't stand Nascar but these posts are pretty good. And, was there a single car built in the 80's that wasn't God-awful ugly?
 
Ron said:
Right, dont mistake what Im saying. Im no Knauss fan, and he certainly aint the first. But when you get to the point that you are analyzing the rear windshield material and looking for a membrane material that will allow air to pass through without creating drag and still looking like a solid piece of plexi...lets just say you are pushing the envelope and looking at thing a different way. And thats the obvious stuff.

Id love to have a dose of truth syrum and 10-12 of the best and brightest and just see whats runnign around out there.
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I agree Ron, it would be fun to be a fly on the wall! There are some smart sum bitches out there.

What with Hendricks, having all of Duponts' considerable talent pool at thier disposal, plus outside companies court these guys and show them products they feel could be beneficial. Hendricks has several pieces of machinery that NASA cant afford.
One thing NASCAR will never give up is the closed door inspections. When they cant figure out how you are cheating, but they know that you are, they are going to call it something and keep harrasing and fineing you untill you quit.

One of my trackside duties at Digard was to always wear steel toed shoes. When we went through post race inspection, we always pushed the cars by hand. We would simply roll the inspectors side of the car onto one of our feet and stand there while he slid his block of aluminum up under the car to check the height. Then just push it on out the door. Voila'! 2-3 inches lower just passed inspection.

Cale Yarbrough (Hall of Famer) used to start the race with concrete filled tires to make weight. Then he would pull in and change them and be 400 pounds lighter than everyone else. They didnt weigh post race back then.

Everybody knows about Darryl Waltrip filling his frame rails with lead bird shot and draining it on the warm up laps.

Smokey Yunick is my all time hero. His rule book had all the gaps highlighted in it. If it didnt say you couldnt... He did. His major exploits are well known, but I think his best one was pulled off by building a centrifugal super charger into the clutch assembly and ducting it thru a double firewall. The cowl area had a flap that laid down flat at rest, but opened and force fed the air cleaner ducting at speed. Fireball Roberts had to sandbag it to keep from being 30 mph faster than the field.
 
I grew up on Nascar and I don't even watch it any more. It is no good watching a bunch of identical cars troll around the track to see who is lucky enough to miss a crash and manage to get .00000000000000000000005 MPG better just to win.
 
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