Haven't figured that out yet, haven't got them or paid for em either. I'll do me best to keep them lo since it is my advertisement and I am grateful that some would put them on their ride! We'll see, and I've been working on another challenge! This one will be a mental dexterity excercise! Problem solving ya might say. If too many figure it out we might do a timed thing, we'll see. wrangler00 I'm good with that as long as it's kool with club ya know, just a little respect for club rules.