Trump, Clinton, or Johnson

Whos got your vote?

  • Donald Trump

  • Hillary Clinton

  • Gary Johnson

  • Undecided

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GONOVRIT said:
I did a little experiment the other day. I asked 5 people, 30-62 yrs old, white and black, Dems and Reps, What they thought of Gary Johnson. NONE of them had even heard of him.
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That's the biggest problem, he barely gets media coverage because they love shit show Hillary and trump are putting on.
 
I'm voting Johnson, because I love my country and I'm a middle of the road kind of guy. Wanna nay say because "it's rigged" or say he will never win. At this point I dint care if he wins. I want something different for future generations than the retarded ass candidates we have today. I only see it getting worse if we say fuck vote trump. Remember it use to be the Whigs and Democrats? Then the Whigs split into Whigs and the Republican Party? Lincoln was the first republican president. I know shit has changed since then but you want to stop this shit show we have going on, then do your duty and vote for the right man for the job. Let the people make a stand not just be like fuck it I want to pick the winning team. That's the pussy way out of it.

But I do realize saying anything won't change a damn thing, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.
 
iwaxmyjimmy said:
I'm voting Johnson, because I love my country and I'm a middle of the road kind of guy. Wanna nay say because "it's rigged" or say he will never win. At this point I dint care if he wins. I want something different for future generations than the retarded ass candidates we have today. I only see it getting worse if we say fuck vote trump. Remember it use to be the Whigs and Democrats? Then the Whigs split into Whigs and the Republican Party? Lincoln was the first republican president. I know shit has changed since then but you want to stop this shit show we have going on, then do your duty and vote for the right man for the job. Let the people make a stand not just be like fuck it I want to pick the winning team. That's the pussy way out of it.

But I do realize saying anything won't change a damn thing, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.
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I just can't see throwing my vote away on someone who could possibly give the election to Clinton. It's not about being on the winning team, it's about the disaster the nation will become if Clinton gets elected.
 
Proof this country is already fucked; Hillary and trump is what the 2 parties came up with for the next president and there are many other people voting for a man that has no chance of winning.

Hillary will win this election, there won't be much left of the constitution in the next 4yrs and I'm glad I don't have kids to raise and explain what has happened to this country since I was young.
 
Haven't researched it, but had heard before, that Trump had run a couple times before, just as a joke, & then let it drop. For a Person that can't keep his foot out of his mouth, & apologizes for the things he did say, I Have to wonder if he Is trying Hard, to get Out? He Definitely Loves the attention, & exposure. But maybe he Really didn't expect to get nominated, & he Still looking for a way to Loose.
 
I believe the majority of this country's population would side with GJ if they would take the time and research. But he doesn't get any media attention, and when he does they seem to make him look like a loon.
 
Riddle said:
I believe the majority of this country's population would side with GJ if they would take the time and research.
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Are you sure about that? Johnson's a statist. Who the fuck knows how the two of them got on the Libertarian ticket, because neither of them are liberals.
 
Dig deeper on Johnson. He's more democrat than libertarian.


Matt
 
1) I worry the Johnson camp is only where it is and has the support it has for the same reason you see a lot of dems and repubs are voting for their candidate...so the other one doesn't win. I tend to be a 'conservative libertarian' myself...but think GJ is only getting the traction he is, just so Clinton/trump 'don't get in'. What makes GJ so much better than any other politician??? The main argument I've heard is that he's not Hillary or Donald...which I don't think is a very sound voting strategy. Personally I'm not a GJ fan and think he swings more lefty. Which is the inherent issue with a third/middle party...what policy are you actually getting election to election. And I'd be willing to bet those people that haven't heard of GJ, aren't doing their homework on politics anyway...probably your stereotypical straight ticket voter, or wasn't planning on voting, or let's facebook decide who they vote for.

2) Anyone else noticed the other thread/poll with anonymous voting had a couple hundred votes within a couple hours, even had a couple Hillary votes...and this public poll, well, doesn't.
 
UTfball68 said:
2) Anyone else noticed the other thread/poll with anonymous voting had a couple hundred votes within a couple hours, even had a couple Hillary votes...and this public poll, well, doesn't.
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My guess is because everyone has already said their $.02 in one of the other 12 political/presidential threads and realize this thread/poll is just the same as the others but with a new title...
 
Third party is interesting, and tempting, but what does anyone really know of them ?
Largely ignored in the past, and there isn't a strong showing in local government to show what they're really about. So GAry Johnson is as much of and unknown as Trump, though probably not near the liability.
Say a third party candidate does get voted in, then what ?
Now both Dems and GOP have a leader neither want. And you think GOP pushing back on Obama was a show ? Lame Duck doesn't begin to describe it.
The sad part is with all the hoot and howl about Clinton, nobody has been able to make anything stick.
Is Hillary that slick? Or do the GOP lawyers suck that bad ?
Is there just so much mud slinging that nobody really knows what the truth is anymore ?
Trump will likely deal his own narsasistic death blow to himself. He doesn't know when or how to shut up.
 
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UTfball68 said:
1) I worry the Johnson camp is only where it is and has the support it has for the same reason you see a lot of dems and repubs are voting for their candidate...so the other one doesn't win. I tend to be a 'conservative libertarian' myself...but think GJ is only getting the traction he is, just so Clinton/trump 'don't get in'. What makes GJ so much better than any other politician??? The main argument I've heard is that he's not Hillary or Donald...which I don't think is a very sound voting strategy.
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Sadly, I think it's true that a lot of people are falling his way from distaste from the other two, but at least to me, there's way more to him than that.
for example, between him and his running mate - both 2-term governors, who were both at least reasonably and at times highly rated in their states, have WAAAAY more experience actually running a governmental body than either of the others.
Trump has zero at this, and Clinton has just been an appointee of a dept she was horrible at.
More importantly, both were at odds view and party-wise with the congress they led, and yet were still reasonably successful. That to me is a major issue - whoever is President next will have to know how to work w/ people who don't like them very much or share their ideology. Unlike the other candidates, Johnson has a record of being in this very spot.
I'm a believer that being a governor is probably the best training for what it's like to be president. Certainly being an authoritarian CEO isn't, nor is being a 1-term senator or Sec. of state. Sadly, I do have to admit that at least Hillary has more first-hand experience on what goes on in the office (which may, or may not be good news, but she does at least know.)

Blkvoodoo said:
Say a third party candidate does get voted in, then what ?
Now both Dems and GOP have a leader neither want. And you think GOP pushing back on Obama was a show ? Lame Duck doesn't begin to describe it.
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I actually see having a 3rd party outsider as the President a good thing, and it may seem strange but I think it's better that there isn't a matching contingency in Congress. (this is in argument to those who say, "they should grow the base first and get some Congressional and local seats").
Why? Well, first of all that means they have to be able to stand on their own, and willing to work w/ both parties, instead of relying on a contingency of friends to ram things through (a la typical party politics). It really breaks down the typical "align w/ the party" view, and comes down to what an INDIVIDUAL representative actually believes. Basically by not having a large party representation or presence in the political sphere, it forces people to consider the person as they are themselves, and not by the party label.
Maybe more importantly, it also means that some of the more crazy things that come w/ the Libertarian ticket are basically kept in check. E.g. a 3rd party president w/o a matching congressional contingency isn't going to be able to do anything to extreme b/c they will have limited support. Remember the Pres doesn't make or even start laws, they have to have a buddy in Congress do it.
 
^this is my thinking I just can't put it into words as well. Experience is key and from what I've read Johnson track record is pretty impressive. I'm too much of an asshole/uneducated I guess to word it well.


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Anyone else watching CNN right now?
 
Is it me or does Johnson have stage fright and Weld seems to be very intelligent and very comfortable talking about these issues.
 
He does seem that way....I really like Weld
 
That last little segment it really seemed to me, that they are just normal people that want to make a difference and try and help people. No favoritism or anything. Which I find cool Bc I can't stand that shit. It's something I tried teaching all my soldiers when I was in the Army.
 
Yeah, the longer this goes on, the more I want Weld-Johnson for the ticket. He's just so much more direct and articulate. Johnson I think has good ideas and has his heart is in the right place, but seems a little reserved or held back in his talking - unless talking about his biking etc...

But these guys have definitely got the "normal guys" vibe going on, not the slimy "I'm giving you the politician front" you expect from any other governor or candidate.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Sadly, I think it's true that a lot of people are falling his way from distaste from the other two, but at least to me, there's way more to him than that.
for example, between him and his running mate - both 2-term governors, who were both at least reasonably and at times highly rated in their states, have WAAAAY more experience actually running a governmental body than either of the others.
Trump has zero at this, and Clinton has just been an appointee of a dept she was horrible at.
More importantly, both were at odds view and party-wise with the congress they led, and yet were still reasonably successful. That to me is a major issue - whoever is President next will have to know how to work w/ people who don't like them very much or share their ideology. Unlike the other candidates, Johnson has a record of being in this very spot.
I'm a believer that being a governor is probably the best training for what it's like to be president. Certainly being an authoritarian CEO isn't, nor is being a 1-term senator or Sec. of state. Sadly, I do have to admit that at least Hillary has more first-hand experience on what goes on in the office (which may, or may not be good news, but she does at least know.)


I actually see having a 3rd party outsider as the President a good thing, and it may seem strange but I think it's better that there isn't a matching contingency in Congress. (this is in argument to those who say, "they should grow the base first and get some Congressional and local seats").
Why? Well, first of all that means they have to be able to stand on their own, and willing to work w/ both parties, instead of relying on a contingency of friends to ram things through (a la typical party politics). It really breaks down the typical "align w/ the party" view, and comes down to what an INDIVIDUAL representative actually believes. Basically by not having a large party representation or presence in the political sphere, it forces people to consider the person as they are themselves, and not by the party label.
Maybe more importantly, it also means that some of the more crazy things that come w/ the Libertarian ticket are basically kept in check. E.g. a 3rd party president w/o a matching congressional contingency isn't going to be able to do anything to extreme b/c they will have limited support. Remember the Pres doesn't make or even start laws, they have to have a buddy in Congress do it.
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The biggest thing I think some ppl are forgetting about her time as Secretary is that she had to quite because she had a physical/nervous breakdown. Of course who wouldn't after being responsible for Benghazi.

But if she can't handle the stress of Secretary then she can't handle being POTUS.

I partially agree that CEO doesn't directly relate but atleast he has made ppl balance a budget.
 
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