Asheville man in deep do do...enter for discussion

RatLabGuy said:
OK so just to bring up a different discussion point - a lot of folks are saying, "what are kids doin gat the mall alone?", "They have a policy of requiring escorts" etc.
I find it interesting how things have changed.
I'll put on my "grumpy old man" hat for a minute.
I grew up about 1/2 mile from the Cary Mall, off of Maynard Road just down from the high school. Graduated in '95. Back then it was the Cary Village Mall before it expanded to the Cary Towne Center... whatever.
Middle school age, my friends and I would ride our bikes, or even just walk, to the mall and play at the arcade by ourselves.
In the 7th grade, my best friend and I would walk home from East Cary MS on Fridays. We'd stop at the mall, get a slice of pizza, go to the arcade, then get candy from Treasury Drug, and walk home. We "hung out" at he mall all the time by ourselves. I guess I would have been 12.

I know this is not normal today, but when I look back at he freedom I had, I know that it helped me learn a lot about life and how to take care of myself and be independent. I actively encourage my kids to do things on their own and with minimal supervision.
Now, I ALSO had been trained not to be a little shithead to other people and to avoid situations just like this, and of course pass that on to my kids, so I never would be one of these little shit, and if any of those were mine, I'd laugh at them and tell them I hope they learned something (before groundin for being a little shit).

The point is - I personally don't find it odd for kids <16 y/o to be out w/o a parent. Now if the Mall has a policy about it, then it needs to be respected, and the parents need to be bitch-slapped for letting their kids be shitheads.

IMO a big part of the problems w/ society, and the newer generations of kids is that hey AREN'T brought up w/ enough responsibility and allowed to be on their own and do their own things, and fuck up on their own. Too much protection and coddling. And as said before - doing adult activities means getting adult responsibility and repercussions that come with them.
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They have policies because too many kids ended up being shitheads and not enough parents bitch-slapped them for being shitheads.
 
I broke up a fight at school yesterday. Middle school boys ages 12-14. I put very little effort into holding the kid back. This kid was raging mad.

A preteen is not a physical threat to an adult. (Several maybe).

Sucks to be this dude. Won’t turn out well for him. He’ll probably see jail time for this.
 
XJsavage said:
Quit tempting me. :D

I wasn't raised to be rascist, but I wasn't raised to be blind and oblivious either. ;)
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I 100 percent agree here. I also loathe public places like this for the very reason this thread exist. The bigger problem is this behavior is becoming more and more comonplace in various venues and public spaces. It is also not excluded to Blacks, but includes clicks of all sorts and profiles.
The root is the assumed but accurate accusation of the family breakdown. Not just biological but community. Communities must also step up and say enough is enough to the thuggish unruly disrespectful behavior plauging America.
Ever go to the Dixie Classic and stay to late?
Or leave a late night out in downtown anywhere?
I have a good friend, jumped and beat pretty bad. Just for being somewhere in Myrtle Beach. This young behavior leads to that end.
I still stand by that he should have walked. He stroke only his ego. Handling it this way further spreads the divide that is all to well thriving in America.
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK so just to bring up a different discussion point - a lot of folks are saying, "what are kids doin gat the mall alone?", "They have a policy of requiring escorts" etc.
I find it interesting how things have changed.
I'll put on my "grumpy old man" hat for a minute.
I grew up about 1/2 mile from the Cary Mall, off of Maynard Road just down from the high school. Graduated in '95. Back then it was the Cary Village Mall before it expanded to the Cary Towne Center... whatever.
Middle school age, my friends and I would ride our bikes, or even just walk, to the mall and play at the arcade by ourselves.
In the 7th grade, my best friend and I would walk home from East Cary MS on Fridays. We'd stop at the mall, get a slice of pizza, go to the arcade, then get candy from Treasury Drug, and walk home. We "hung out" at he mall all the time by ourselves. I guess I would have been 12.

I know this is not normal today, but when I look back at he freedom I had, I know that it helped me learn a lot about life and how to take care of myself and be independent. I actively encourage my kids to do things on their own and with minimal supervision.
Now, I ALSO had been trained not to be a little shithead to other people and to avoid situations just like this, and of course pass that on to my kids, so I never would be one of these little shit, and if any of those were mine, I'd laugh at them and tell them I hope they learned something (before groundin for being a little shit).

The point is - I personally don't find it odd for kids <16 y/o to be out w/o a parent. Now if the Mall has a policy about it, then it needs to be respected, and the parents need to be bitch-slapped for letting their kids be shitheads.

IMO a big part of the problems w/ society, and the newer generations of kids is that hey AREN'T brought up w/ enough responsibility and allowed to be on their own and do their own things, and fuck up on their own. Too much protection and coddling. And as said before - doing adult activities means getting adult responsibility and repercussions that come with them.
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I was going to post something similar. Hanging out at the mall wasn’t something uncommon for me and a lot of people I knew in middle school in the late 90’s. Find someone’s older sibling willing to drop off 3-4 kids and you were golden. I seem to remember signs on the doors saying adult escorts were even required then. If you were little assholes, you didn’t know who your parents were or what your phone number was, and then you’d be escorted to the parking lot and see if you could find a way in through another store front. Some of the more troubled youth would take the opportunity to slash tires and key cars. The back side of the mall butted up against some woods, good opportunity for kids to do drugs, fight each other and hope one of the class sluts showed up so you could play with her boobies. I don’t know of any incidents being this severe, but I’m sure this isn’t the first time something like the original video has happened. Difference being, no internet 20 years ago, and I’m not sure kids have ever gone home and told their parents they were being hooligans and wrote a check they couldn’t cash. I was afraid of my parents, my parents beat me, they’d often times check in with other parents to make sure I was going where I said I was going...that didn’t stop me from being an asshole while unsupervised though...just hope no one that knew my parents saw me.
 
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WARRIORWELDING said:
I 100 percent agree here. I also loathe public places like this for the very reason this thread exist. The bigger problem is this behavior is becoming more and more comonplace in various venues and public spaces. It is also not excluded to Blacks, but includes clicks of all sorts and profiles.
The root is the assumed but accurate accusation of the family breakdown. Not just biological but community. Communities must also step up and say enough is enough to the thuggish unruly disrespectful behavior plauging America.
Ever go to the Dixie Classic and stay to late?
Or leave a late night out in downtown anywhere?
I have a good friend, jumped and beat pretty bad. Just for being somewhere in Myrtle Beach. This young behavior leads to that end.
I still stand by that he should have walked. He strikes only his ego and further spread the divide that is all to well thriving in America.
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Yep. I could tell countless real life stories about people I've met (black/white/hispanic) that lived lives that are beyond belief.
The most recent: literally a few months ago my company hired a black guy named Clearance, nicknamed "C", 35 years old ex-con still on probation. Hired him off the street for $12 an hour to sandblast. He excelled at it. I trained him how to run probably the largest and most expensive machine we have. Quickly he excelled at it. His motivation was to get over his previous life of gangbanging, CDV, SAR, you name it, and start a new. He also didn't drive a car. Me being the person I am and the fact that he lived 2 minutes away from me (at the 7400 block of Garners Ferry, known as one of the most dangerous areas in the entire state of South Carolina) volunteered to pick him up and drop him off everyday. He swore up and down that in no more than two months he would be back on his feet with transportation and his own place. I believed in him and I took his word for it. After all, he was my apprentice, and he was kicking ass and taking names. Months go by and by Tuesday of every week he was broke even after receiving $2/hr worth of raise plus incentive. His bad habit was he would climb into my truck every morning with an open beer in his hand, reeking of weed, smoking a cigarette. After while, he decided that showing up three days a week was "good enough" but forget to inform me, his free ride. His excuses would range from contracting gonnareah to friends of his being shot dead at his doorstep. Come to find out he wasn't lying about any of it. Eventually he fired himself and is now living happily on unemployment as far as anyone knows. Back living the blood life.

There really is no moral to the story, but how anyone could intentionally live like that is beyond me. It is not because they have to,
it's because they want to.
 
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XJsavage said:
Yep. I could tell countless real life stories about people I've met (black/white/hispanic) that lived lives that are beyond belief.
The most recent: literally a few months ago my company hired a black guy named Clearance, nicknamed "C", 35 years old ex-con still on probation. Hired him off the street for $12 an hour to sandblast. He excelled at it. I trained him how to run probably the largest and most expensive machine we have. Quickly he excelled at it. His motivation was to get over his previous life of gangbanging, CDV, SAR, you name it, and start a new. He also didn't drive a car. Me being the person I am and the fact that he lived 2 minutes away from me (at the 7400 block of Garners Ferry, known as one of the most dangerous areas in the entire state of South Carolina) volunteered to pick him up and drop him off everyday. He swore up and down that in no more than two months he would be back on his feet with transportation and his own place. I believed in him and I took his word for it. After all, he was my apprentice, and he was kicking ass and taking names. Months go by and by Tuesday of every week he was broke even after receiving $2/hr worth of raise plus incentive. His bad habit was he would climb into my truck every morning with an open beer in his hand, reeking of weed, smoking a cigarette. After while, he decided that showing up three days a week was "good enough" but forget to inform me, his free ride. His excuses would range from contracting gonnareah to friends of his being shot dead at his doorstep. Come to find out he wasn't lying about any of it. Eventually he fired himself and is now living happily on unemployment as far as anyone knows. Back living the blood life.

There really is no moral to the story, but how anyone could intentionally live like that is beyond me. It is not because they have to,
it's because they want to.
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I would only add, that big gov't and the trappings of abused and learned system abuse of wellfare, food stamps, and all the other regulated crutches have taught successive generations that all of it is "ok".
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
I would only add, that big gov't and the trappings of abused and learned system abuse of wellfare, food stamps, and all the other regulated crutches have taught successive generations that all of it is "ok".
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I'll get the rest of it off my chest while I'm here. His weekly paychecks were between $415-$440 cleared. The only reason I know that is because he told me. He also told me that he was splitting rent between four friends of his that were living on unemployment and his cut was only $150 a month for a two-bedroom apartment in a section 8 facility. He actually had the gumption to borrow $300 so he could buy his 8 year old daughter a PS4 for Christmas and never paid it back. every other day he was borrowing a dollar or two so he can get a beer after work, even after me and several co-workers went as far as to buy him lunch once a week. I've learned over the years to keep my guard up against shit like this, and statistics don't lie. He even said once, "man y'all are some cool white dudes. Teach me anything, fix everything.... I like it here".

Facepalm.
 
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XJsavage said:
Yep. I could tell countless real life stories about people I've met (black/white/hispanic) that lived lives that are beyond belief.
The most recent: literally a few months ago my company hired a black guy named Clearance, nicknamed "C", 35 years old ex-con still on probation. Hired him off the street for $12 an hour to sandblast. He excelled at it. I trained him how to run probably the largest and most expensive machine we have. Quickly he excelled at it. His motivation was to get over his previous life of gangbanging, CDV, SAR, you name it, and start a new. He also didn't drive a car. Me being the person I am and the fact that he lived 2 minutes away from me (at the 7400 block of Garners Ferry, known as one of the most dangerous areas in the entire state of South Carolina) volunteered to pick him up and drop him off everyday. He swore up and down that in no more than two months he would be back on his feet with transportation and his own place. I believed in him and I took his word for it. After all, he was my apprentice, and he was kicking ass and taking names. Months go by and by Tuesday of every week he was broke even after receiving $2/hr worth of raise plus incentive. His bad habit was he would climb into my truck every morning with an open beer in his hand, reeking of weed, smoking a cigarette. After while, he decided that showing up three days a week was "good enough" but forget to inform me, his free ride. His excuses would range from contracting gonnareah to friends of his being shot dead at his doorstep. Come to find out he wasn't lying about any of it. Eventually he fired himself and is now living happily on unemployment as far as anyone knows. Back living the blood life.

There really is no moral to the story, but how anyone could intentionally live like that is beyond me. It is not because they have to,
it's because they want to.
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XJsavage said:
I'll get the rest of it off my chest while I'm here. His weekly paychecks were between $415-$440 cleared. The only reason I know that is because he told me. He also told me that he was splitting rent between four friends of his that were living on unemployment and his cut was only $150 a month for a two-bedroom apartment in a section 8 facility. He actually had the gumption to borrow $300 so he could buy his 8 year old daughter a PS4 for Christmas and never paid it back. every other day he was borrowing a dollar or two so he can get a beer after work, even after me and several co-workers went as far as to buy him lunch once a week. I've learned over the years to keep my guard up against shit like this, and statistics don't lie. He even said once, "man y'all are some cool white dudes. Teach me anything, fix everything.... I like it here".

Facepalm.
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These are the reasons I don't put myself out there like that.
 
sawdoff said:
avoid asheville.
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We were over there back during the summer and it seems the air is awash w liberalism.I could feel it when I got out of the truck.
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK so just to bring up a different discussion point - a lot of folks are saying, "what are kids doin gat the mall alone?", "They have a policy of requiring escorts" etc.
I find it interesting how things have changed.
I'll put on my "grumpy old man" hat for a minute.
I grew up about 1/2 mile from the Cary Mall, off of Maynard Road just down from the high school. Graduated in '95. Back then it was the Cary Village Mall before it expanded to the Cary Towne Center... whatever.
Middle school age, my friends and I would ride our bikes, or even just walk, to the mall and play at the arcade by ourselves.
In the 7th grade, my best friend and I would walk home from East Cary MS on Fridays. We'd stop at the mall, get a slice of pizza, go to the arcade, then get candy from Treasury Drug, and walk home. We "hung out" at he mall all the time by ourselves. I guess I would have been 12.

I know this is not normal today, but when I look back at he freedom I had, I know that it helped me learn a lot about life and how to take care of myself and be independent. I actively encourage my kids to do things on their own and with minimal supervision.
Now, I ALSO had been trained not to be a little shithead to other people and to avoid situations just like this, and of course pass that on to my kids, so I never would be one of these little shit, and if any of those were mine, I'd laugh at them and tell them I hope they learned something (before groundin for being a little shit).

The point is - I personally don't find it odd for kids <16 y/o to be out w/o a parent. Now if the Mall has a policy about it, then it needs to be respected, and the parents need to be bitch-slapped for letting their kids be shitheads.

IMO a big part of the problems w/ society, and the newer generations of kids is that hey AREN'T brought up w/ enough responsibility and allowed to be on their own and do their own things, and fuck up on their own. Too much protection and coddling. And as said before - doing adult activities means getting adult responsibility and repercussions that come with them.
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In the eighties the bowling alley @ south hills was the hang out spot on fri/sat. night.
 
mommucked said:
In the eighties the bowling alley @ south hills was the hang out spot on fri/sat. night.
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yup, even up until early 90s, then it became Crossroads as the new hotness, especially when they opened the laser tag place, and South Hills was sort of forgotten
 
BigBody79 said:
A preteen is not a physical threat to an adult. (Several maybe).
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I dont know about that.....

I bet money Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris could have kicked my ass by age 11.

But to be serious, it's not all that uncommon to hear of preteens being charged with murder, or the equivalent of that for a minor.

Young people do unfortunately kill other people also......
 
I had a boss that once told a guy what I consider to be the best response ever to asking for an advance.

Guy was a decent worker, nothing special. He did show up but wasn’t trying to impress. He asked Dean for 20 to Friday on a Wednesday. Dean said “your mom brings you to work, you live with her and you smoke cigarettes. If I give you $20 you will be short again next week because you have not learned that a budget is real.”
 
Hate to say it but I made a lot of money off of people that couldn’t budget their money when I was in the military. I would float them a $20 for $40 loan a few days before payday then when payday hit they would pay me back then the cycle would start all over. I would go up to $100 for $200 but it was normally just $20 to get them some alcohol till payday.
 
1-tonmudder said:
These are the reasons I don't put myself out there like that.
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I do from time to time try to keep down accusations of being racist. I wasn't raised to be, like I was mentioning earlier, but I am now because I have to be.
 
junkxj said:
But to be serious, it's not all that uncommon to hear of preteens being charged with murder, or the equivalent of that for a minor.
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There are very few states left that see the age of 16 as the threshold between adult sentences and sentences for minors. In many you arent considered an adult to you are 18.

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junkxj said:
I dont know about that.....

I bet money Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris could have kicked my ass by age 11.

But to be serious, it's not all that uncommon to hear of preteens being charged with murder, or the equivalent of that for a minor.

Young people do unfortunately kill other people also......
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Indeed - I have seen some 12 year old basketball and football players that are in the 170-200 lb category. I would view them as a potential threat.
 
XJsavage said:
I do from time to time try to keep down accusations of being racist. I wasn't raised to be, like I was mentioning earlier, but I am now because I have to be.
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I have also had these sort of feelings. But where I differ is I have been taught by life all people are capable of this and have done it. I have vouched for more then a few to help them get hired or loan money til payday. The problem is now the race card is played when good people make informed decisions.
Being proactive and mindful of a person's character and surroundings is common sense.
Going out and passing judgement or slandering a person based only on surroundings and collective traits is racism.
 
I think it all boils down to hiding behind the law and the double standard created by it. They had no problem whatsoever acting the thug, pushing him as he came out calmly trying to break up the fight (or whatever it was he was doing). They surrounded him, heckling him and instigating the fight. I'd have guessed they were all between 16-18 years old based on hair/makeup and style of dress. She bucked up like a prize fighter when he pushed her clear out of the circle. Then, after he knocks her out, everyone screams that she was "just a child" and hides behind the law.

I used to go by the "never strike a woman or a child", but I'm revising that......... An honorable man will never strike an honorable woman or an honorable child. By her actions, she gave up the right to be defended as a child, let alone an honorable woman. She went into attack mode and he had every right in my mind to defend himself with whatever force necessary to negate the threat. I don't even feel that it was excessive. After the lone punch was thrown, no further action was necessary, so the threat dissolved. Now, had he continued to go after her, then it would be a whole different story.

On the flipside of this coin, I have a 13 year old daughter who just to happens to be the opposite of these girls, as she is very respectful and shy. But,if it were her in the video disrespecting adults, acting a fool, pushing and instigating a fight with an adult - instead of hiding behind a civil rights attorney and pressing charges, I'd be thanking him for teaching her a lesson I OBVIOUSLY didn't teach her.
 
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