Looking for some advice for "Lease On" Power only Hotshot

Darkbloodmon

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I'm looking to get into Power only hot shot and wanted to ask if anyone has any advice or guidance about getting started. I still have to build up my savings a bit and finish up a few more minor repairs and equipment additions. But I wanted to get a better picture of the venture and a checklist to start finalizing in preparation.

It'd be ideal if I could get on with the company moving loads for Camping World down by Charlotte Motor speedway since its right around the corner from me. I plan to give them a call.
 
Not sure what "power only" hotshotting is, but have yet to see any RVs being transported by *other than* Indiana companies...
Used to see 2-3 daily on my commute down 52 (pre-panic-demic) and on a recent trek to FLA (dozens along 77/75/95)... all monikered/placarded from IN
 
From what I've read and understood. "Power only" means Just the driver and their truck the power unit, no trailer.

yet to see any RVs being transported by *other than* Indiana companies...
That is what im beginning to see in my research unfortunately.... I live with in 10 minutes of Two RV dealerships ironically.

Is there any viability in RV transport currently? The few companies I've looked into have requirements for 08 or 05 and up trucks for their insurance purposes. I've got a tow ready nearly-rebuilt 03 Dodge 2500 paid off. I'm a single bachelor with no attachments and a low cost of living. I don't have the start up for my own authority.
 
Why Hotshots? If you are single and no attachments why not get a CDL and drive a big truck. Tones of jobs out there for drivers.
It's not off the table, but I don't think the pandemic is the sole factor in a driver shortage and I'm concerned about the viability after the hiring boom. I know it doesn't do much good to base decisions off of word of mouth or rumors but for what it's worth the general atmosphere I've gathered in passing about the transport industry is that it's not as profitable as it used to and its pushing people out unless you're retired from something with a pension and want beer money. Id like to see the country as well, I've spent the last two years doing catch up work on my truck from the previous owners and I'd like to get some use out of it other than an expensive daily driver.

I say this in broad terms, "if the jobs are hot why isn't everyone out getting a CDL?"

I've been reading through the tow haul discussions on the TDR fourms but alot of them are dated around the early 2000s or 08' aftermath. I wanted to find out the current temperature of the industry from somone pulling currently. Weather Hotshot, RV transport, or CDL.
 
It's not off the table, but I don't think the pandemic is the sole factor in a driver shortage and I'm concerned about the viability after the hiring boom. I know it doesn't do much good to base decisions off of word of mouth or rumors but for what it's worth the general atmosphere I've gathered in passing about the transport industry is that it's not as profitable as it used to and its pushing people out unless you're retired from something with a pension and want beer money. Id like to see the country as well, I've spent the last two years doing catch up work on my truck from the previous owners and I'd like to get some use out of it other than an expensive daily driver.

I say this in broad terms, "if the jobs are hot why isn't everyone out getting a CDL?"

I've been reading through the tow haul discussions on the TDR fourms but alot of them are dated around the early 2000s or 08' aftermath. I wanted to find out the current temperature of the industry from somone pulling currently. Weather Hotshot, RV transport, or CDL.
I am a broker and run 3 trucks. We are a family owned small trucking company. My BIL runs a couple refers too. The driver shortage predated the pandemic. The pandemic caused other issues. No one really wants to drive a truck or fix plumbing or do electrical work any more. My drivers make about .55/mile IIRC. I don't do pay I just keep the trucks moving. Starting pay in company owned trucks seems to be in the .55 - .60 per mile area I believe. Some companies have other things they pay now too. It use to be we just paid drop pay. This is all just spitballing. The hot shot world is hot too right now from what I'm told but I know little about it. It all goes back to one thing. A lack of drivers for the equipment available. Every trucking company I know is i need of drivers.
 
I am a broker and run 3 trucks. We are a family owned small trucking company. My BIL runs a couple refers too. The driver shortage predated the pandemic. The pandemic caused other issues. No one really wants to drive a truck or fix plumbing or do electrical work any more. My drivers make about .55/mile IIRC. I don't do pay I just keep the trucks moving. Starting pay in company owned trucks seems to be in the .55 - .60 per mile area I believe. Some companies have other things they pay now too. It use to be we just paid drop pay. This is all just spitballing. The hot shot world is hot too right now from what I'm told but I know little about it. It all goes back to one thing. A lack of drivers for the equipment available. Every trucking company I know is i need of drivers.
This is a deep conversation and it extends into all trades.

I had a conversation last week with a customer who thinks we "overpay" our field techs and are screwing the industry up for everyone. Despite my Field Service group being my most profitable division.
In 1996 I hired on with an EC as a green helper and was making $9/hr. That was killer money when my buddies were flipping burgers for $4.25.
That same helper role makes $12 or so an hour now and the burger flipper makes $10+.

The trades havent kept up or been honest with themselves that trade work is hard physical but rewarding labor.

Its why my FIL closed his reefer business 5 years ago. He said when he started and bought his first truck he could get paid .75/mile as an owner operator and diesel was under .50/gal.
Fast forward and diesel is nearing $4/gallon and he was fighting to get $1.25 a mile. Nevermind that OTR trucking is a shitty life and you leave your family behind. They used to reward for the sacrifice. He talks about making $80-90k a year in the 1980s..big money then. Now its good money but you can maeke it lots of places and be home with your wife every night.
 
I’ll echo what ghost said. Been around trucking in some form most of my life. Drivers are in high demand and were well before the pandemic. Schooling and culture pushed people towards a degree in the color blue and the many more worthless degrees out there. Like many other skilled trades, truck drivers are also in shortage. If you want to see the world and have the time and desire to drive, skip the hotshot route as it’s incredibly saturated and cut throat right now.

Go right to a CDL, drive for someone else for a few years and stack money. Then see what you’d like to do moving forward. My company needs a CDL driver but we don’t pay enough to get anyone worth a dang. We have in the past are now more frequently linking up with brokers, hot shots and independent drivers for loads planned well ahead of time and outside our service area.
 
Get the CDL. You will open up way more opportunities for yourself. Diversify your capability.

I would also be looking at a different truck than an 03 2500 no matter how rebuilt it is if I was going to be hotshotting campers. GCWR's are going to get pushed with some of these new bigger bumper pulls and 5ers.
 
From your responses im realizing the difference between CDL as a driver in a company truck versus your own doing transport or hot shot. The rates per mile are starkly different, even if they're off the top of head.

I've seen RV transport rates as low as .98/mi with complaints about it, other numbers I've seen in RV transport : 1.30 - 2.00 depending on what it is, If its heavier and putting you over 26K lbs as a CDL holder with your own light duty truck you're in a higher rate bracket both for holding a CDL and pulling weight justifying it.

skip the hotshot route as it’s incredibly saturated and cut throat right now.
I thought (maybe naively) that I would have an edge in this weather RV or Hotshot because of my low operating cost on my truck. I've quite literally gone through everything top to bottom. Injectors, Turbo, intercooler, rad, HP Pump, full front end with locking hubs, rebuilt rear hubs, fresh Ujoints, new clutch, Rebuilt trans and T case, larger factory mount tank, etc.....

I didn't do everything with the intent of transport, just building back better so she has a long service life into the next quarter too half million miles, but In looking at what I've put into it I figured it would at least give me a competitive advantage, but as I'm asking transport companies what they need a drivers truck to be equipped with to sign is that a lot of the trucks have to be 08 and up on the model year for their insurance purposes. Unless you have you're own authority or are under someone else's running with older trucks. Common sense would tell me there is a reason why the bigger companies are requiring newer trucks and its probably because of financial benefit.

I don't know so I'm asking questions and I thank you for your responses. It just seems like a waste to not get a trailer behind my truck and have my work pay off. I'll have to read into the current state of CDL company truck driving, it was really out of my purview in my research in light duty transport.

Does anyone have thoughts on local or instate hauling start ups? Another avenue I wanted to look into is dump trailer loads and rentals. There are alot of neighborhoods going up around me now, a brand new school across from my development soon to be opening; but they don't build these houses worth for shit anymore. I've been living in my current residence going on 15 or so years and nearly everyone on my street including me has had a roof replaced, majority of the people I knew in the neighborhood have moved away within 10 years as the houses started showing the effort that went into construction. I anticipate with common sense (I've got no nose in realty) that renovations and housing projects (new kitchens, bathrooms, landscaping, etc) and the like would become more frequent and in need of waste/ debris removal services. In addition to this I can see the landfill behind Charlotte Motor Speedway from my house, making trips too drop off loads pretty accessible.

Is the hot shot trade more competitive than the law care business? I've seen everyone and their cousin with an equipment trailer and mower. My Neighbor who drives for the Charlotte CATs system has a lawn care gig on the side and recently expanded to get a another truck and trailer with a few more employees.
 
For the record, you're going to need a cdl for hotshot driving anyway unless you can get away with exclusively towing RVs
My GCWR caps at 20K so RVs would be the biggest load potentially.
 
I would also be looking at a different truck than an 03 2500 no matter how rebuilt it is
I'm not getting another truck, the only things that separate me from a 3500 are overload leaves, tires, and a sticker. I'd rather get bags, 19.5s square or super singles for the rear.
 
I'm not getting another truck, the only things that separate me from a 3500 are overload leaves, tires, and a sticker. I'd rather get bags, 19.5s square or super singles for the rear.
How many newer trucks have you pulled a load with?
 
The other thing to consider if you're set on using your 03 is difficulty securing a load through a broker. If you go that route
Broker's good image is dependent on the carrier they send my way. If a hot shot arrives in an older (albeit good on paper truck) I'm gonna have doubts vs a carrier with a newer DRW truck. Call it what you want. You let that broker down, you're gonna have a hard time getting back with them.
You're gonna be spending a ton of time behind the wheel. You cannot afford to be out of service.
You could contact local multiple location businesses and see about transferring small loads between them. Maybe reach out to lumberyards, camper lots and car lots. You'll need insurance, a legit business and knowledge of DOT requirements. Watch your weights and magnetic banners...
I've thought about hot shotting in post lumberyard life one day. I have the truck, trailers and CDL. I also have knowledge of the lanes I need carriers for each week. If I wanted to burn up the road I could make bank.
 
How many newer trucks have you pulled a load with?
None, if by some chance in the future I get on the road pulling a load of new trucks I'll tag this. But what's your point? Are you saying that my 03 isn't as capable and reliable?

Do you not drive a deleted 6.7?
 
None, if by some chance in the future I get on the road pulling a load of new trucks I'll tag this. But what's your point? Are you saying that my 03 isn't as capable and reliable?

Do you not drive a deleted 6.7?
He is insinuating that you’re just a smidge off that the only difference between your truck and a newer one is tires, springs and stickers.
 
He is insinuating that you’re just a smidge off that the only difference between your truck and a newer one is tires, springs and stickers.
What's the smidge?
 
None, if by some chance in the future I get on the road pulling a load of new trucks I'll tag this. But what's your point? Are you saying that my 03 isn't as capable and reliable?

Do you not drive a deleted 6.7?
I have an 06 F350 thats currently down w a burnt piston.I've also got a 96 F250 w a 7.3 thats been having to do what the 06 was suppose to be doing.While the 96 gets the job done I would much rather be in the 06.We have been gone every weekend in Sept,always w a trailer behind me.The 96 will is a good relialbe truck but it will absolutely wear you out on trips.I use to work in a salvage yard and one of the core buyers bought a new king ranch every year.I ask him one time why he bought such an expensive truck to beat to death hauling converters and alum wheels with.His reply was that he put 100K a year on a truck and he was gonna be comfortable doin it.I put about 45k a year on my truck and I understand where he's coming from.If you start doing long trips you will want more comfort than what you'll have.
 
The other thing to consider if you're set on using your 03 is difficulty securing a load through a broker. If you go that route
Broker's good image is dependent on the carrier they send my way. If a hot shot arrives in an older (albeit good on paper truck) I'm gonna have doubts vs a carrier with a newer DRW truck. Call it what you want. You let that broker down, you're gonna have a hard time getting back with them.
You're gonna be spending a ton of time behind the wheel. You cannot afford to be out of service.
You could contact local multiple location businesses and see about transferring small loads between them. Maybe reach out to lumberyards, camper lots and car lots. You'll need insurance, a legit business and knowledge of DOT requirements. Watch your weights and magnetic banners...
I've thought about hot shotting in post lumberyard life one day. I have the truck, trailers and CDL. I also have knowledge of the lanes I need carriers for each week. If I wanted to burn up the road I could make bank.

I get that my truck is old, But its not a rusty POS pissing oil as fast as it drinks it. Outside of moving a load reliably do I have to have an off season SEMA show truck? Since when were newer post emission equipped trucks more reliable? (Anyone know a person whos dealt with a CP4?) There seems like a disconnect between the back slapping talk of "That's when knew how to build trucks to last, no BS all torque" and when someone wants to start working with an late 90s or early 00's truck.

To me a deleted lower mileage 6.7 is more questionable in terms of reliability than a quarter million mile 5.9 with a fresh drive train and air/fuel overhaul ready for the next quarter to half a million. But I digress, I have a truck and im looking for work, I don't have a company looking for drivers. If its about insurance then I understand. If I had a company I wouldn't sign on majority of the drivers with 2nd gens unless they meet stringent standards, But I don't believe older trucks are objectively less reliable on the basis of age alone. There are plenty of class 8s decades old still on the road pulling just as much as they did off the assembly line. It comes down to maintenance and I understand that most companies want the assurance of reliability without having to look that deep into vehicle history which more often than not translates into something new unless its a Power stroke and sometimes a Duramax.

I'll keep that in mind going forward.
 
Broker's good image is dependent on the carrier they send my way. If a hot shot arrives in an older (albeit good on paper truck) I'm gonna have doubts vs a carrier with a newer DRW truck. Call it what you want. You let that broker down, you're gonna have a hard time getting back with them.
This.I sent 20 205 transfer cases out west and the dude rolled in a new 5500 dodge w a new dual tandem 34 foot gooseneck.He might suck ass as a driver but he looked the part.
 
What's the smidge?
Horsepower, torque, brakes, engine braking, payload to start. The main things that contribute to how a vehicle reacts to towing. It’s taken more than springs, tires and stickers to bump a manufacturers GCWR from 23-39k over almost two decades.

Not saying you can’t do the job with your truck but you’ll be limited by it in the long run. I spend a lot of time on the road and rarely see a hotshotter in a truck that is 18 years old.

FWIW
 
Horsepower, torque, brakes, engine braking, payload to start. The main things that contribute to how a vehicle reacts to towing. It’s taken more than springs, tires and stickers to bump a manufacturers GCWR from 23-39k over almost two decades.

Not saying you can’t do the job with your truck but you’ll be limited by it in the long run. I spend a lot of time on the road and rarely see a hotshotter in a truck that is 18 years old.

FWIW

With all that I have done on air and fuel I'm expected to be making 550/900 after custom road tuning soon after my trans and T-case get back from Texas. 2500 breaks are the same as a 3500. Semi Metallic pads same piston calipers all the way around. I can engine brake with my dual disk NV5600 and if needed get an exhaust break.
A 2500 to 3500 rear end is still an 11.5" AAM.

Proof of reliability aside as it means nothing if I can't get on the road with loads. I'd have to find a company willing to sign and able to insure my "Cougar" or park it, get a CDL and drive for a company even though the rates seem abysmal by comparison if I intend to get into transport.

I appreciate the discussion.
 
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