Tractor help

WARRIORWELDING said:
My people! OH person, 😂.

I grew up using geared tractors. Even the lawn mowers had some for of set it and forget it gear.

Every HST tractor I have ran just feels weird. Its a preference. Pulling logs, cultivator, disc, and large bush hogs all feel different from the initial snatch to maintaining momentum across terrain.

My zero turn is the closest to thing to HST and certain aspects of it bug me.
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Geared tractors are the way they were meant to be…with the sole exception….my uncle bought a new holland in the 200Xs that low 1 was too fast for “tight work”…

HST and “Cruise control” was a solution to a created problem.

I much prefer to set an rpm select a gear and sip a beer let it work
 
jeepinmatt said:
With a $30k budget I’d buy a used skidsteer all day long.

Unless you have a lot of ditches/pipes, in which case I’d buy a mini-ex.
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Unless you have a lot of garden 3 point implements to use… I’d go skid steer.
 
HST for your use case. Geared is perfect if you want to plow or mow big fields, but if you're running a loader and box blade, having another lever or two to work in addition to 3pt/top link/tilt, bucket lever, etc, just slows you down.

Matt's right about the mini ex, but the tractor is Jack of all trades master of none. Arguable as to whether it's faster to recrown a road with a box blade vs skid steer or trim a ditch with a flail vs mini ex, though. Probably depends on the operator.

Edit: I suspect that a mini ex with brush cutter or 40ish HP used tractor with loader and offset flail is probably more than your budget, so moot point, but could be what you buy after the first one doesn't meet your needs...??
 
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WARRIORWELDING said:
My people! OH person, 😂.

I grew up using geared tractors. Even the lawn mowers had some for of set it and forget it gear.

Every HST tractor I have ran just feels weird. Its a preference. Pulling logs, cultivator, disc, and large bush hogs all feel different from the initial snatch to maintaining momentum across terrain.

My zero turn is the closest to thing to HST and certain aspects of it bug me.
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Im with ya. I'll take geared over hst every time. I'd also take something old school over new. For maintenance on a driveway, find any old 40-50 hp tractor that's new enough to have live hydraulics and roll on. Invest the rest of your budget into proper drainage. We maintain/ed over 2 miles of driveway with a 45hp Long and a scrape blade.
 
shelby27604 said:
I would avoid a TYM, I would buy a used Kubota before buying a new TYM. YMMV but I have founds parts availability, dealership support, and general troubleshooting knowledge to be awful due to the major model proliferation that TYM offers across a variety of resellers and re-branded companies (big boy, mahindra, branson, etc, etc, etc). Don't let the "largest tractor manufacturer" tag line fool you. My TYM service manual looked like it was written by a 4 year old, and it was a generalized "how you can" do something, the fluid capacities were wrong for every single sub component assembly, and contained zero part numbers or dimensions for service parts (belts, filters, bulbs, etc). YES, you can figure this stuff out, eventually, but if I tell you an engine holds 2.5 gallons of oil, and the dipstick reads full at 1.3 gallons.....which do you trust?
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Which TYM did or do you have? I've just been researching and they came on my radar from not having emissions. Being in trucking it's not if it's when all the emissions stuff will fail. Branson was their brand before they became TYM is my understanding. I knew they build Bad Boy's but there are only about 7 manufactures left from my research. I definitely would prefer the older Kubota but they are over priced around here imho.
 
ghost said:
Which TYM did or do you have? I've just been researching and they came on my radar from not having emissions. Being in trucking it's not if it's when all the emissions stuff will fail. Branson was their brand before they became TYM is my understanding. I knew they build Bad Boy's but there are only about 7 manufactures left from my research. I definitely would prefer the older Kubota but they are over priced around here imho.
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What do you mean by no emissions. Everything over 25 HP has to meet federal emissions requirements. Are they doing it a different way than DPF/DEF of the other brands?
 
LBarr2002 said:
What do you mean by no emissions. Everything over 25 HP has to meet federal emissions requirements. Are they doing it a different way than DPF/DEF of the other brands?
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From what I understand they don't have DPF/DEF and no computers and are mechanical diesels. Might be just the 25 HP and smaller. I just learned about them and have been looking into them. So yes they do have DPF on the bigger ones. So I was wrong on that.



Here is more info on the engines.

 
Not exactly what you asked but I bought a LS MT355e (55HP) last year with a loader HST . I love the machine, its been great in clearing my property, the Hydro static drive for bucket and grapple work is great.
The tractor & loader with third function + grapple + 5' bush hog and 5' landscape rake was just at $30k
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Mahindra bills their tractors as being emissions free, as it used mCRD technology, no def, no dpf, but it does use an oxidation catalyst....so, it still has emissions equipment. I had read a breakdown on the system once, but I cannot find it any longer. If memory serves, essentially the engine runs hotter all the time to keep the catalyst hot, to burn particulate real time, rather than capturing it in a dpf, and burning it all at once. Also, there is no diesel engine on the market that is free of computers (emissions or otherwise), don't fall for the marketing hype.

@ghost you asked what I had, I used to own a Mahindra, it was a mix of Mahindra branded components and TYM branded components. Take that into account with regard to my criticisms. I have not owned a purely TYM branded tractor, but I have touched enough of their components to know they favor off the shelf components, until they hit a point where a good solution needs to be made to join to dis-similar systems, and the path of least resistance is taken.

Instead of making a change to a reliable, robust hard part, to use a common wear item....they will make a custom wear item, that they will not stock at the dealership and you will have to find a third party online that can ship it to you in a week. As an example, the pump from my HST had steel lines that connected to the reservoir section of the rear housing. Instead of making the two pipes the same size, one was 11/16" OD and the other was 15/16" OD, and packaged tightly enough that you could not cobble together reducers, and no single sized hose would accommodate both sizes. It is a small problem, but a hose that runs on the belly of a tractor is going to wear out, dry rot, crack etc....the hard pipes should be good for 20-30 years unless you do something stupid.

The rest of the critique stems from poor availability of accurate information (what type of fluid, fluid capacities, what size belts, etc, etc). I know we can all walk into Napa with a broken belt, walk out with 3 similar belts, and make SOMETHING work....but that shouldn't be the goal....and on the off chance you throw a belt, enjoy the process of reverse engineering what is suppose to go there. Ultimately I went through 3 water pump belts on mine before swapping it out for a Napa green belt. Mahindra belts would stretch WAY too quickly, as in you needed to tighten them every hour for the first 10 hours if you wanted them to stay on.....did I mention the water pump belt tension was set with the alternator? There was no threaded tension rod, just the old timey, pull on the alternator with a pry bar and lock the bolt down at the back.
 
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ghost said:
From what I understand they don't have DPF/DEF and no computers and are mechanical diesels. Might be just the 25 HP and smaller. I just learned about them and have been looking into them. So yes they do have DPF on the bigger ones. So I was wrong on that.



Here is more info on the engines.

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Watched the first video....that dude is a total moron....and he is pushing the vehicles he sells. Please do not use what this guy says as a justification to buy a TYM.
His reasons to buy:
3: They lift more (they just MIGHT lift more, but I would bet almost anything, the bigger brands derate their systems, and limit total hydraulic pressure to build in a factor of safety (lifting without ballast, lifting on a slope, etc, etc). The internet is a wash with people turning up hyd. pressures on Kubotas, JD's, and whatever other flavor of paint you prefer. I am reminded of what people say here about Toyotas "they don't make enough power to hurt themselves"...perhaps in this case, it is by design.
2: Price, I haven't been in the market for a NEW tractor, but I would bet the price delta he is quoting is greatly over exaggerated once you start looking at out the door prices and identical equipment.
1: Emissions...or stone simple engine design (cable throttle)....he says it doesn't have emissions equipment, then he says it does have a DPF but never goes into regen. Later he admits he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.



I have watched TONS of this guys videos, he really seems to know his stuff, he is selling a product and a service so take his statements for what they are worth, but the guy has taught me a lot about tractors and heavy equipment that I didn't have to learn the hardway.
 
shelby27604 said:
Watched the first video....that dude is a total moron....and he is pushing the vehicles he sells. Please do not use what this guy says as a justification to buy a TYM.
His reasons to buy:
3: They lift more (they just MIGHT lift more, but I would bet almost anything, the bigger brands derate their systems, and limit total hydraulic pressure to build in a factor of safety (lifting without ballast, lifting on a slope, etc, etc). The internet is a wash with people turning up hyd. pressures on Kubotas, JD's, and whatever other flavor of paint you prefer. I am reminded of what people say here about Toyotas "they don't make enough power to hurt themselves"...perhaps in this case, it is by design.
2: Price, I haven't been in the market for a NEW tractor, but I would bet the price delta he is quoting is greatly over exaggerated once you start looking at out the door prices and identical equipment.
1: Emissions...or stone simple engine design (cable throttle)....he says it doesn't have emissions equipment, then he says it does have a DPF but never goes into regen. Later he admits he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.



I have watched TONS of this guys videos, he really seems to know his stuff, he is selling a product and a service so take his statements for what they are worth, but the guy has taught me a lot about tractors and heavy equipment that I didn't have to learn the hardway.
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My first thought was this guy is an idiot as well, but I didn't feel like typing out my justification. Thank you for that.
 
shelby27604 said:
Watched the first video....that dude is a total moron....and he is pushing the vehicles he sells. Please do not use what this guy says as a justification to buy a TYM.
His reasons to buy:
3: They lift more (they just MIGHT lift more, but I would bet almost anything, the bigger brands derate their systems, and limit total hydraulic pressure to build in a factor of safety (lifting without ballast, lifting on a slope, etc, etc). The internet is a wash with people turning up hyd. pressures on Kubotas, JD's, and whatever other flavor of paint you prefer. I am reminded of what people say here about Toyotas "they don't make enough power to hurt themselves"...perhaps in this case, it is by design.
2: Price, I haven't been in the market for a NEW tractor, but I would bet the price delta he is quoting is greatly over exaggerated once you start looking at out the door prices and identical equipment.
1: Emissions...or stone simple engine design (cable throttle)....he says it doesn't have emissions equipment, then he says it does have a DPF but never goes into regen. Later he admits he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.



I have watched TONS of this guys videos, he really seems to know his stuff, he is selling a product and a service so take his statements for what they are worth, but the guy has taught me a lot about tractors and heavy equipment that I didn't have to learn the hardway.
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Messick’s does have some very helpful stuff on YouTube. And they’re a great resource for parts as well. I’ve ordered many parts from them to keep my ~25 year old Kubota ZD28 mower going. They have great online parts diagram/ordering system. And they carry parts for many different brands. They’re located in PA but parts are usually to me in 2 days max.
 
This popped up in my MP surfing and debated where to share it and decided here. Thoughts @jeepinmatt

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2017 Takeuchi TB230
$24,000

TB230
6000 lb mini excavator
24.4 HP YANMAR engine
9’ 4” dig depth
1785.5 Hours on it
 
ghost said:
This popped up in my MP surfing and debated where to share it and decided here. Thoughts @jeepinmatt

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2017 Takeuchi TB230
$24,000

TB230
6000 lb mini excavator
24.4 HP YANMAR engine
9’ 4” dig depth
1785.5 Hours on it
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Nothing to add other than I’ve ran one and it’s pretty powerful for its size. Being a rental it could be good or bad depending on how well they kept it serviced.
 
ghost said:
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2017 Takeuchi TB230
$24,000

TB230
6000 lb mini excavator
24.4 HP YANMAR engine
9’ 4” dig depth
1785.5 Hours on it
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They are great machines but for not much more money you can get a lot more machine. Just depends on your needs. Judging by track tension alone I would pass on that one without looking at anything else.
 
jeepinmatt said:
They are great machines but for not much more money you can get a lot more machine. Just depends on your needs. Judging by track tension alone I would pass on that one without looking at anything else.
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I'm not in the market atm but what do you mean track tension?
 
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