2025 (Not NC4X4) Web Wheeler Weekend Get Together

Will you attend?

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R Q said:
Me too, But he was cool, so was Eli. Both were a bit soft spoken and I had them repeat most everything they said to me. But they are good boys and I hope they keep coming around. My 28 year old son was raised around groups likes this and its good for them.
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Yeah Eli has become quite the car guy in the past few months. He’s calling out makes and models as we drive around just by shape. He also had some noteworthy comments along the trail:
Referring to @justjeepin86 ’s Eli’s 4Runner: It’s doing pretty good for a Toyota

The raisin is unstoppable!!! (@CLRracer)

Luckily it’s a jeep. I think he was talking about @13bullets

I rate this trail a ten outta ten. (Dutch John I think)

This is just a great vehicle. (referring to my XJ when we got back from riding trails all day Saturday)

If we were in California, the steering wheel would be on my side. (This came out of nowhere :laughing: )
 
jeepinmatt said:
Yeah Eli has become quite the car guy in the past few months. He’s calling out makes and models as we drive around just by shape. He also had some noteworthy comments along the trail:
Referring to @justjeepin86 ’s Eli’s 4Runner: It’s doing pretty good for a Toyota

The raisin is unstoppable!!! (@CLRracer)

Luckily it’s a jeep. I think he was talking about @13bullets

I rate this trail a ten outta ten. (Dutch John I think)

This is just a great vehicle. (referring to my XJ when we got back from riding trails all day Saturday)

If we were in California, the steering wheel would be on my side. (This came out of nowhere :laughing: )
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He just ain’t gonna eat a damn grape lol 😂
 
Sucks I missed this, looked awesome!
 
BigSouth said:
Won’t know until I get it on the shop floor and really get a good look at everything. Right now the buggy is gonna sit there in the corner and think about what it’s done.
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The bearing retainer piece isn't really expensive from Advance.
Also, loose studs are often the causer of this.
 
Bebop said:
The bearing retainer piece isn't really expensive from Advance.
Also, loose studs are often the causer of this.
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I’ll get it removed Friday and inspect, but for now I believe it’s the hex head bolts that you attach the adapter to the face of the Atlas before installation. The studs that thread into my trans don’t look to be the culprit. If I’m right those bolts are not accessible to tighten without completely removing the Atlas.
ghost said:
So is that an Atlas?
How doe that happen?
Did a rock shove it back and rip them out?
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Yes, Atlas and I’m guessing this is just #buggylife. Cutler told me that rear steer puts some abnormal stresses on the transfer case. Might just be something I have to pull apart, retorque, and reseal on a periodic basis.
 
Shreddinlettuce said:
I would helicoil the new piece even, one less weakpoint for less than $50
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I’ve been doing some reading on this subject and it’s proven to significantly increase the strength where aluminum threads give way. It’s high on my list until somebody proves otherwise.
 
BigSouth said:
I’ve been doing some reading on this subject and it’s proven to significantly increase the strength where aluminum threads give way. It’s high on my list until somebody proves otherwise.
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There are 2 types, one is a spring the other type is a machined piece that is knurled at the last thread or two, the knurled one is stronger but they both typically go up 2 thread sizes on what is in the aluminum part so strength is a lot higher and repetitive tightening/ loosening won’t gall or strip threads as easily
 
BigSouth said:
I’ve been doing some reading on this subject and it’s proven to significantly increase the strength where aluminum threads give way. It’s high on my list until somebody proves otherwise.
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Shreddinlettuce said:
There are 2 types, one is a spring the other type is a machined piece that is knurled at the last thread or two, the knurled one is stronger but they both typically go up 2 thread sizes on what is in the aluminum part so strength is a lot higher and repetitive tightening/ loosening won’t gall or strip threads as easily
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Yep, the threaded insert type is even better, but basically you are taking the steel bolt loading of an 8mm or 5/16" thread surface that was on aluminum, and translating that load into a piece of steel which is 2-3x stronger than aluminum, then the insert has a larger diameter such as 10mm or 3/8" or 7/16" and so now the load on the aluminum is spread over a much larger surface area, which results in less deflection and more strength.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Yep, the threaded insert type is even better, but basically you are taking the steel bolt loading of an 8mm or 5/16" thread surface that was on aluminum, and translating that load into a piece of steel which is 2-3x stronger than aluminum, then the insert has a larger diameter such as 10mm or 3/8" or 7/16" and so now the load on the aluminum is spread over a much larger surface area, which results in less deflection and more strength.
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Shreddinlettuce said:
There are 2 types, one is a spring the other type is a machined piece that is knurled at the last thread or two, the knurled one is stronger but they both typically go up 2 thread sizes on what is in the aluminum part so strength is a lot higher and repetitive tightening/ loosening won’t gall or strip threads as easily
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jeepinmatt said:
Yep, the threaded insert type is even better, but basically you are taking the steel bolt loading of an 8mm or 5/16" thread surface that was on aluminum, and translating that load into a piece of steel which is 2-3x stronger than aluminum, then the insert has a larger diameter such as 10mm or 3/8" or 7/16" and so now the load on the aluminum is spread over a much larger surface area, which results in less deflection and more strength.
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The only factor I can’t put eyes on yet is just how much meat I have to work with for installing said helicoils. I’m pretty sure my Atlas is one with multiple clocking options with holes side by side.
 
BigSouth said:
The only factor I can’t put eyes on yet is just how much meat I have to work with for installing said helicoils. I’m pretty sure my Atlas is one with multiple clocking options with holes side by side.
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A helicoil will generally use a smaller hole than a thread insert. So that may be what you have to do.
 
BIGWOODY said:
I'd put a mount off the Atlas to the chassis with rubber/poly bushings so it's not rigid mounted.
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I’ve considered it, but people smarter than me explain the “3 legged chair” concept. Don’t ask me to explain how that name applies, but basically 3 points of contact will allow things to flex appropriately while a 4th point can move the forces into places they shouldn’t be. Resulting in cracked trans cases and housings.
 
BigSouth said:
I’ve considered it, but people smarter than me explain the “3 legged chair” concept. Don’t ask me to explain how that name applies, but basically 3 points of contact will allow things to flex appropriately while a 4th point can move the forces into places they shouldn’t be. Resulting in cracked trans cases and housings.
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Advanced adapters tells you not to as well
 
BigSouth said:
I’ve considered it, but people smarter than me explain the “3 legged chair” concept. Don’t ask me to explain how that name applies, but basically 3 points of contact will allow things to flex appropriately while a 4th point can move the forces into places they shouldn’t be. Resulting in cracked trans cases and housings.
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told me it would void the warranty
 
BigSouth said:
I’ve considered it, but people smarter than me explain the “3 legged chair” concept. Don’t ask me to explain how that name applies, but basically 3 points of contact will allow things to flex appropriately while a 4th point can move the forces into places they shouldn’t be. Resulting in cracked trans cases and housings.
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I've heard that theroy as well.I never had a mount on the rear of mine , just had it hanging off the back of the transmission, never broke anything. I also never had issues with bolts etc breaking either. If you have room, you definitely want a time sert to repair the threads. Helicoils will be more prone to back out if you have to remove the bolts after install and suck to get straightened out if there is a problem. . Time serts are forever if done correctly.
 
BIGWOODY said:
Time serts are forever if done correctly.
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Got them on the list. Along with some Stage8 locking nuts that @Jody Treadway recommended for the studs on the trans side of the adapter.

Definitely appreciate all the insight. You guys have solutions to all my problems before I even get it out and start scratching my head on what to do.
 
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