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I'm in need of a new computer. My current laptop is an acer and has been a slow turd since the day I bought it, it was recommended by an employee at Best buy, really should have drove back and thrown it at him. Hoping my nc4x4 friends might have better opinions this go around.

Primary use is running QuickBooks, Microsoft office software, and my wife prints off homeschool materials from it.

Prefer a laptop, as my office is currently in a non conditioned area in the barn, and I tend to gravitate to the camper when it's extremely hot or cold out. But I'm open to a desktop, if it makes more sense.
 
Very recently computer components went through the roof, so good time to be looking.. buy a newer used refurb business laptop with a decent processor and 16+gig of RAM then buy a dock and a monitor/keyboard in the office. You'll be $600 into the whole setup and have a useful system.


Then heat and cool your shop.
 
Very recently computer components went through the roof, so good time to be looking.. buy a newer used refurb business laptop with a decent processor and 16+gig of RAM then buy a dock and a monitor/keyboard in the office. You'll be $600 into the whole setup and have a useful system.


Then heat and cool your shop.
This. I've been buying old Dell laptops on eBay for the kids. Find something with a decent processor, Windows 11, and 16gb of RAM. The most recent one was an i5 Latitude last year for $150. I bought an open box USB docking station for $40 that I use for my work computer with two monitors and Ethernet. The kids just use one monitor and the onboard HDMI.


What are the specs on the Asus? They're not necessarily bad computers if they have enough RAM and a decent CPU.
 
This. I've been buying old Dell laptops on eBay for the kids. Find something with a decent processor, Windows 11, and 16gb of RAM. The most recent one was an i5 Latitude last year for $150. I bought an open box USB docking station for $40 that I use for my work computer with two monitors and Ethernet. The kids just use one monitor and the onboard HDMI.


What are the specs on the Asus? They're not necessarily bad computers if they have enough RAM and a decent CPU.
Don't remember the exact specs and it won't boot up so I can't verify, but here's a screenshot of what Google says when I typed in the model number. The sticker does say it has the i5 gen 7 processor.
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Very recently computer components went through the roof, so good time to be looking.. buy a newer used refurb business laptop with a decent processor and 16+gig of RAM then buy a dock and a monitor/keyboard in the office. You'll be $600 into the whole setup and have a useful system.


Then heat and cool your shop.
I'm computer illiterate, what makes a processor a decent one? And what's a business laptop?
 
I'm in need of a new computer. My current laptop is an acer and has been a slow turd since the day I bought it, it was recommended by an employee at Best buy, really should have drove back and thrown it at him. Hoping my nc4x4 friends might have better opinions this go around.

Primary use is running QuickBooks, Microsoft office software, and my wife prints off homeschool materials from it.

Prefer a laptop, as my office is currently in a non conditioned area in the barn, and I tend to gravitate to the camper when it's extremely hot or cold out. But I'm open to a desktop, if it makes more sense.
I’ll preface this with the statement that I’m no IT guy. But I just went through this process myself in the past couple of days. I wanted the performance of a desktop, but portability was too important so I decided to go with a laptop. I have a decent amount of experience and I am the computer spec’r and purchaser for my current employer. We have a mix of Dell and Lenovo machines, both desktops and laptops. Before making my decision, I did a metric shit ton of additional research. It basically breaks down into 4 categories: cheap consumer laptops, flashy consumer laptops with good parts, business class laptops, and gaming laptops.

The cheap consumer laptops are what you’ll see for sub-$1000 MSRP, typically with some compromise of parts depending on where they are in that price range. Usually only have a couple of USB ports and not much else. Build quality makes them prone to issues if you actually use them like a laptop, getting moved and dropped and left in hot or cold trucks and short charged or fully drained. Fortunately they are cheap enough that you can afford a new one every couple years, unfortunately you will probably have to.

The flashy consumer laptops with good parts will have higher end components, plenty of RAM and storage, fast processors, and be all sleek looking. General price of $1000-3000+ MSRP. Touch screens, 2 in 1 flip style, etc. May or may not have a good selection of parts depending on the brand and price point. A lot of focus on the aesthetic and being lightweight. The parts are good, but the build quality is typically only marginally better than the cheap consumer laptops.

The business class laptops are boring looking workhorses. Typically black or gray, and specs that aren’t as impressive as the flashy consumer laptops. General price of $1500-3000+. But they show up and get it done day after day. Usually a good selection of ports and an HDMI or DisplayPort output, maybe even an Ethernet cable connection. They can handle being dropped and used, and give you quite a few years of solid service. The bezels are typically larger and the frames thicker which gives you more protection when you drop it or sit on it or forget it’s in your console or backpack and do something stupid.

The gaming laptops are very graphics and speed focused, and the category I’m the least knowledgeable on. Best of the best parts and internals for the sake of making everything work as smoothly as possible to reduce lag and display graphics as accurately and smoothly as possible. $2000-infiniti. Build quality is good, but focused more on hardware accommodation than durability.

For me, I didn’t want to have to buy another laptop for at least 5 years, so I wanted a business class laptop with a good processor, enough RAM to run CAD programs, and plenty of storage. The main players in this arena are the Dell Pro series (formerly Dell Latitude), HP Elitebook, and Lenovo Thinkpad. Each of those families of course has a wide range of specs and options and even economy lines, so don’t just buy because of the name. After hours and hours of reading forums, Reddit, etc, it was overwhelmingly accepted that that the Lenovo Thinkpad was the most durable and longest lasting of the bunch. I was also able to confirm that with anecdotal experience because I’ve had 2 of them in 7 years at my current job, and my 1st one was 3 years old when I started and is still in use by our inside sales guy. 10 years old and starting to show it’s age, but the darn thing is still working and still on its original battery! (Which lasts than an hour now, haha, but it’s still working!) I ended up buying a Lenovo Thinkpad T14 with an AMD Ryzen 7 processor, 32GB of RAM, and a 1TB hard drive for about $950. List price was $1760, 44% off for Black Friday, plus if you sign up for a free Lenovo Pro account it knocks another $30 off.
4 or 5 USB ports, Ethernet plug, HDMI output, and a layout I’m already familiar with. It may not be the best thing out there, but 98% of my use will be email, spreadsheets, and NC4X4, so it should suffice. Hopefully this is helpful.
 
For me, I didn’t want to have to buy another laptop for at least 5 years, so I wanted a business class laptop with a good processor, enough RAM to run CAD programs, and plenty of storage. The main players in this arena are the Dell Pro series (formerly Dell Latitude), HP Elitebook, and Lenovo Thinkpad. Each of those families of course has a wide range of specs and options and even economy lines, so don’t just buy because of the name. After hours and hours of reading forums, Reddit, etc, it was overwhelmingly accepted that that the Lenovo Thinkpad was the most durable and longest lasting of the bunch. I was also able to confirm that with anecdotal experience because I’ve had 2 of them in 7 years at my current job, and my 1st one was 3 years old when I started and is still in use by our inside sales guy. 10 years old and starting to show it’s age, but the darn thing is still working and still on its original battery! (Which lasts than an hour now, haha, but it’s still working!) I ended up buying a Lenovo Thinkpad T14 with an AMD Ryzen 7 processor, 32GB of RAM, and a 1TB hard drive for about $950. List price was $1760, 44% off for Black Friday, plus if you sign up for a free Lenovo Pro account it knocks another $30 off.
4 or 5 USB ports, Ethernet plug, HDMI output, and a layout I’m already familiar with. It may not be the best thing out there, but 98% of my use will be email, spreadsheets, and NC4X4, so it should suffice. Hopefully this is helpful.
Also ThinkPads are pretty much the only laptops left that still have a little nipple, er "trackpoint" you get to play with.... er use as a mouse.
 
But in all seriousness @jeepinmatt summed it up really well.
A guy like you wants a "business" laptop. No question.

Imagine you're the IT guy for a big company. You want the company to buy something that has only a few variants, that is easy to swap components and is built stoutly because you have hundreds of idiots using them and they're going to drop them and spill coffee on them. It has enough extra plugs and jacks that Tom and Karen aren't complaining because they can't get it to work with the client's projector or quickly swap files or plug in their phone to charge, and it has a decent battery so George can still work on an airplane and a decently bright but durable screen so that CFO Jack and Jill (his side piece, everyone knows it) can still have their meeting outside over lattes.
But most importantly it's reasonably durable so you're not replacing them all the time.
 
I'm computer illiterate, what makes a processor a decent one?
Intel i5 or i7. Do not get an i3 or Celeron.
The AMD Ryzen chips are roughly equivalent (get a 5 or 7)
 
I’ll preface this with the statement that I’m no IT guy. But I just went through this process myself in the past couple of days. I wanted the performance of a desktop, but portability was too important so I decided to go with a laptop. I have a decent amount of experience and I am the computer spec’r and purchaser for my current employer. We have a mix of Dell and Lenovo machines, both desktops and laptops. Before making my decision, I did a metric shit ton of additional research. It basically breaks down into 4 categories: cheap consumer laptops, flashy consumer laptops with good parts, business class laptops, and gaming laptops.

The cheap consumer laptops are what you’ll see for sub-$1000 MSRP, typically with some compromise of parts depending on where they are in that price range. Usually only have a couple of USB ports and not much else. Build quality makes them prone to issues if you actually use them like a laptop, getting moved and dropped and left in hot or cold trucks and short charged or fully drained. Fortunately they are cheap enough that you can afford a new one every couple years, unfortunately you will probably have to.

The flashy consumer laptops with good parts will have higher end components, plenty of RAM and storage, fast processors, and be all sleek looking. General price of $1000-3000+ MSRP. Touch screens, 2 in 1 flip style, etc. May or may not have a good selection of parts depending on the brand and price point. A lot of focus on the aesthetic and being lightweight. The parts are good, but the build quality is typically only marginally better than the cheap consumer laptops.

The business class laptops are boring looking workhorses. Typically black or gray, and specs that aren’t as impressive as the flashy consumer laptops. General price of $1500-3000+. But they show up and get it done day after day. Usually a good selection of ports and an HDMI or DisplayPort output, maybe even an Ethernet cable connection. They can handle being dropped and used, and give you quite a few years of solid service. The bezels are typically larger and the frames thicker which gives you more protection when you drop it or sit on it or forget it’s in your console or backpack and do something stupid.

The gaming laptops are very graphics and speed focused, and the category I’m the least knowledgeable on. Best of the best parts and internals for the sake of making everything work as smoothly as possible to reduce lag and display graphics as accurately and smoothly as possible. $2000-infiniti. Build quality is good, but focused more on hardware accommodation than durability.

For me, I didn’t want to have to buy another laptop for at least 5 years, so I wanted a business class laptop with a good processor, enough RAM to run CAD programs, and plenty of storage. The main players in this arena are the Dell Pro series (formerly Dell Latitude), HP Elitebook, and Lenovo Thinkpad. Each of those families of course has a wide range of specs and options and even economy lines, so don’t just buy because of the name. After hours and hours of reading forums, Reddit, etc, it was overwhelmingly accepted that that the Lenovo Thinkpad was the most durable and longest lasting of the bunch. I was also able to confirm that with anecdotal experience because I’ve had 2 of them in 7 years at my current job, and my 1st one was 3 years old when I started and is still in use by our inside sales guy. 10 years old and starting to show it’s age, but the darn thing is still working and still on its original battery! (Which lasts than an hour now, haha, but it’s still working!) I ended up buying a Lenovo Thinkpad T14 with an AMD Ryzen 7 processor, 32GB of RAM, and a 1TB hard drive for about $950. List price was $1760, 44% off for Black Friday, plus if you sign up for a free Lenovo Pro account it knocks another $30 off.
4 or 5 USB ports, Ethernet plug, HDMI output, and a layout I’m already familiar with. It may not be the best thing out there, but 98% of my use will be email, spreadsheets, and NC4X4, so it should suffice. Hopefully this is helpful.
Damn! This breakdown makes me want to go buy one! :laughing:
 
Intel i5 or i7. Do not get an i3 or Celeron.
The AMD Ryzen chips are roughly equivalent (get a 5 or 7)
Psh, i-series has been replaced by the Ultra series, and there's a Ryzen 9 now ;)

But yes, Intel i7 or Ultra series, or an AMD Ryzen 7 or 9 are the go to for a "good" processor. i5 or Ryzen 5 would both qualify as "decent", but for the money you're probably better off stepping up to the 7 series.
 
Lenovo thinkpad x1
That's what I currently have (and am actually typing on). But the X1 with the same 32GB RAM and 1TB storage was about $2000, vs sub-$1000 for the T14 series. The T14 is 3lbs and the X1 is a little under 2.5lbs. Also, the T14 is a little beefier around the screen and the slightly larger chassis on the T14 gives more room for airflow, which means it runs cooler and the fans aren't as loud. I really wanted to justify the X1 Carbon to myself, but for a travel and truck computer, it just didn't make sense. The T14 is still a light, sleek machine, but the X1 is just top of the line, and you pay a premium for it.
 
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Psh, i-series has been replaced by the Ultra series, and there's a Ryzen 9 now ;)

But yes, Intel i7 or Ultra series, or an AMD Ryzen 7 or 9 are the go to for a "good" processor. i5 or Ryzen 5 would both qualify as "decent", but for the money you're probably better off stepping up to the 7 series.
Let me be more direct.

"Get something with a number in it higher than 4 and ideally 6."
 
That's what I currently have (and am actually typing on). But the X1 with the same 32GB RAM and 1TB storage was about $2000, vs sub-$1000 for the T14 series. The T14 is 3lbs and the X1 is a little under 2.5lbs. Also, the T14 is a little beefier around the screen and the slightly larger chassis on the T14 gives more room for airflow, which means it runs cooler and the fans aren't as loud. I really wanted to justify the X1 Carbon to myself, but for a travel and truck computer, it just didn't make sense. The T14 is still a light, sleek machine, but the X1 is just top of the line, and you pay a premium for it.
The gen 6 t14 is 1099. The gen 12 x1 was 1249. Its the current gen t14 vs one gen on x1 but for the price different I went with the x1.
Amazon had the x1 gen 13 for 1650. But didnt have 1TB of storage
 
The gen 6 t14 is 1099. The gen 12 x1 was 1249. Its the current gen t14 vs one gen on x1 but for the price different I went with the x1.
Amazon had the x1 gen 13 for 1650. But didnt have 1TB of storage
I was pretty set on 32GB Ram and 1TB storage (made the mistake of not enough storage on my last machine), so spec for spec in that regard its a big price difference. Which is somewhat silly on my part because RAM and SSD are like the easiest and cheapest things to upgrade aftermarket, but also there's a value to a factory built machine with a warranty that I don't have to worry about.
 
Don't remember the exact specs and it won't boot up so I can't verify, but here's a screenshot of what Google says when I typed in the model number. The sticker does say it has the i5 gen 7 processor.
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Yeah, that didn't have enough RAM, and probably had a platter style hard drive that was slow and has since died.
 
Id go business laptop for sure. I've a got a Lenovo Legion for work and its a tank. Ride around in my truck floorboard and is only plugged in when I use it. I use it for processing scans (point cloud data) from our 3d lidar scanner mostly.

Ours at home is a basic Lenovo ThinkPad that was a few hundred bucks. Works fine for 3d printing and homeschool duties.
 
Also, size matters [heehee].
IMO 14-16" is about the ideal size. The smaller ones are great for being lightweight but staring at that tiny screen sucks and you don't get a lot of keyboard real estate for clumsy fingers.
Personally I like the 15-16" range for the bigger screen and number pad and bigger keyboard. Anything bigger, even magically not heavier gets awkward to fit in a bag or carry around.
 
Id go business laptop for sure. I've a got a Lenovo Legion for work and its a tank. Ride around in my truck floorboard and is only plugged in when I use it. I use it for processing scans (point cloud data) from our 3d lidar scanner mostly.

Ours at home is a basic Lenovo ThinkPad that was a few hundred bucks. Works fine for 3d printing and homeschool duties.

This is what I've gone to, instead of dell have a legion now with an rtx 4070 and 32gb and it has no problem with 3d scans and autodesk with 40 tabs being open. I really like it.
 
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