Stock market investments now or later and who?

Disclaimer: As I've said before, putting arbitrary date constraints on your investment performance is foolish. All that matters is that you're happy with your return curve (hopefully it's better than inflation) and don't have big divots of draw down.

Because what if you need your money tomorrow and you're smack in the middle of a 20% correction?

Vanguard won't go smaller than monthly on a performance graph but this is my lady friends IRA that I don't fuck around with. Just go by the book. This is a 32.4% gain over this time with a gentlemen's 5% draw down back when the world was down 20%. There were several 5% and at least one 10% corrections during these time frames as well. There was no outside cash added to this account (which vanguard so conveniently just piles in as 'gain'). I think total SPY hodl was 40%.

I also admit that I got cocky and broke my rules in April 25 which cost me 2-3% that was unnecessary. I think I actually called the 'seller trap' at this time in this thread before it really printed and acted on it which was a mistake. But hey, it's still not 20% down.

100% SPY

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Sure you could constrain the time and say that the 5% draw down was only in the time frame of a 15% gain YoY. But then do I at least get credit for the 18% gain with less than 1% draw down the year before?

To attempt to frame the grand point that I'm trying to make:

People (and financial salesmen advisors) like to celebrate things like the SP500 (or whatever shit they're selling) made 17% in 2025 (or insert whatever fuck percent/date range), but they gloss over that it also had a draw down of 20% in 2025 (and 30% in the early 2020's, and 50% in the 2008's) and you're just expected to ride out losing chunks of your money on any given day like it's business as usual?

"But my money is diversified and in safe funds. I'm happy if I make 6% a year!" That's great, but If your draw down is over 6% during that time frame your investment/diversification/mutual fund/stocks to bonds ratios/etc is shit. (Whether it's you or your money manager/advisor is making the calls). Accepting 100% of risk for 100% of reward is losing in the long run. (and then you got inflation)

Hedge funds and traders get judged with the Calmar ratio. Look that up and see where your portfolio falls. You can also do it for your favorite mutual fund you to which you subscribe... Yikes.

I think one of my first comments in here was something like "It's not what you make, it's what you don't lose". That's winning the game.

If you sense any hostility just know it's all directed at financial 'experts' who peddle this shit. And yes, I'm trying to become a licensed finance person for the same reason I became a real estate broker and sell shit for 0.5% commissions to piss off the blonde women walking around in Spanx peddling that racket.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
If you managed to sell high and buy low and only take a 4-5% hit during the huge drop a year ago, then you did a really good job of trading that drop.
 
If only tech would rebound, been brutal the last several months with everybody scared that you are going to vibe code SaaS tools out of existence.
 
not gonna happen....the massive over hiring and investments/buying sprees for 'covid' was never sustainable

hope everyone got out at the peak

I can show you plenty of companies down that didn’t have the massive buying sprees or hiring or any changes like that in the past 5 plus years.
 
well I'm not the most educated on hte 'market'
but 'tons' of money was pumped into and spent by 'tech' from 2020-2025.....big name companies, their suppliers, and adjacents
then all the 'start ups' in all the work from home, telecomuting, and all those suppliers and adjacents
thousands of companies
and now that 'tech' umbrella is not hot/sexy/ and is seen as bloated and not a long term win, as a whole
even AI is slowing
some companies are getting brought down by the larger sinking ship......same as the ones that rose with the overall tide
 
well I'm not the most educated on hte 'market'
but 'tons' of money was pumped into and spent by 'tech' from 2020-2025.....big name companies, their suppliers, and adjacents
then all the 'start ups' in all the work from home, telecomuting, and all those suppliers and adjacents
thousands of companies
and now that 'tech' umbrella is not hot/sexy/ and is seen as bloated and not a long term win, as a whole
even AI is slowing
some companies are getting brought down by the larger sinking ship......same as the ones that rose with the overall tide

There are plenty of companies that hired a ton during covid and spent like no other, most of them did layoffs back in late 2022 or 2023. Since then a lot of companies have hired at very fast rates (unless they are very AI heavy companies in building AI).

We hear it from the big investors all the time now, how do we know your product won't fully be replaced by somebody vibe coding your product in a week? A lot of companies now have engineers trying to replace their own software with vibe coding to see what it is capable of. I wouldn't say AI is slowing in most tech companies, we are building new stuff for our internal teams daily AI is helping with.
 
If only tech would rebound, been brutal the last several months with everybody scared that you are going to vibe code SaaS tools out of existence.
What tech stocks did you buy? I'm too scared to buy individual tech stocks, so I just buy QQQ. I bought a bunch of it back in 2023, and am up nicely on it. I did not buy in at the bottom when it was below 300, but I did manage to dollar cost average in over a few buys in the mid 300's. I wanted in on riding the wave of AI, at least for a while.

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What tech stocks did you buy? I'm too scared to buy individual tech stocks, so I just buy QQQ. I bought a bunch of it back in 2023, and am up nicely on it. I did not buy in at the bottom when it was below 300, but I did manage to dollar cost average in over a few buys in the mid 300's. I wanted in on riding the wave of AI, at least for a while.

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The only individual stocks I own are from companies that I have worked for and have stock grants from that I haven't sold.

I'm actually not even allowed to own individual stock anymore with my job (well 95% of companies I can't buy but it might as well be all of them). Can explain more in DM if you want to know.
 
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