Sawed Off Shotgun.

TapouT

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I have an old New England Pardner 12 gauge shotgun I'm wanting to have sawed off. I've never sawed a shotgun off and I don't want to mess it up. I'm wanting it to still be legal(18" barrel, 26" overall length). Just wondering if someone in the area(Hickory or surrounding areas) could do it. I want it to look good. I'll pay just let me know how much you'd want to do it. Thanks!
 
Use a Bandsaw,they make the best straight cuts.
 
Also, I meant to ask this in my original post because I'm not sure about it. I know you're not allowed to make a for sale post with guns but are you allowed to make an ad in the wanted section for a gun? I'm wanting to buy another cheap single shot to try myself after I have this one done. Thanks!
 
Oh if you do it yourself,Use a band saw or be very careful so you make a very straight cut.A table Vice and a Hack saw work well too.After that make sure you ream the end of the barrel with a file to get all the bur off.Then you can use sand paper for the final finish on the inside,or so I have heard.............
 
UMMMMM pretty sure that its illegal to do this............might wanna move to garage
 
i cut 12 total inches off this 12ga one the other night. cut 10 off the barrel and 2 off the stock, used a sawzall and a belt sander, and it looks good. flat blacked the steel and satin the wood. looks like youth model. i may cut more off. yea yea i know what your gonna say..... wanna shoot it?

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jweezyferg said:
UMMMMM pretty sure that its illegal to do this............might wanna move to garage
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He can't access the garage... Very illegal btw lol.
 
1980CJ7 said:
that thing must kick like a mule !
edit: and, uh, 10 + 2 = 12 :flipoff2:
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HAHAHAHAHAHA OOPS! I SAT THERE THINKING IF IT WAS 9 OR 10 OFF THE BARREL, SO I LEFT THE ROOM TO MEASURE IT. HAHAHA IAM A TARD
 
Under the National Firearms Act (NFA) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun, i.e. with a barrel length less than 18 inches (46 cm) and an overall length less than 26 inches (66 cm), without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200 fee for every transfer. However, if the weapon was manufactured by a licensed builder, with a short barrel and no stock, the transfer fee is $5. [1] (Short-barreled muzzleloading blackpowder shotguns, in contrast, are not illegal by federal law and require no tax-stamped permit, although they may be illegal under state law.) As with all NFA regulated firearms, a new tax stamp must be purchased before every transfer. Inter-state transfers must be facilitated through a Class III Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer while intrastate transfers may be between two persons.[6]
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does that mean you can't do it yourself if you get the $200 stamp and meet the length requirements?

At that price, I'd look at selling that gun, and buying one made short from the manufacturer.
 
mbalbritton said:
does that mean you can't do it yourself if you get the $200 stamp and meet the length requirements?

At that price, I'd look at selling that gun, and buying one made short from the manufacturer.
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I could be a newb to reading comprehension but the way I read that it says you have to have the permit for a sawed off shotgun less than 18 inch barrel length and 26 total length. I could be wrong but it seems to me what the op wants to do is legal as long as the gun is longer than 26 and barrel 18 inches.
 
yeah....... we are all the same guys trying to score some apple pie........ what the hell..... just thought id save him some grief:beer::beer:
 
JUICED COUPE said:
I could be a newb to reading comprehension but the way I read that it says you have to have the permit for a sawed off shotgun less than 18 inch barrel length and 26 total length. I could be wrong but it seems to me what the op wants to do is legal as long as the gun is longer than 26 and barrel 18 inches.
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no, that's what I read too. so cut it down to 18.1" :lol:

but this is one law... what do the others say too?:popcorn:
 
iam good total length is 30 some odd inches but i know iam 1 7/8 to the good on barrel length. i think ill cut some more haha
 
For what its worth, when the batfe measures it they stick an 18" rod down the barrel to the bolt face on a closed chamber, so make sure that is what your measuring. Fill out a form 1, pay $200, wait 4 months for your tax stamp then make whatever length short barreled shotgun you like. We do still live in America, law abiding citizens still have some rights..
 
Like others have said keep the barrel length 18 or over. Am I the only one who thought of Ruby Ridge when I read the first post?
 
well..if you want to get technically, you cannot perform any modification to a fire arm without a class III FFL. its legally considered "manufacturing" a fire arm. You have Clyde Barrow to thank for this view point as he "manufactured" his own concealable browning BAR rifles. bad ass pieces of work, sawed off barrels, pistol gripped and shoulder slung so he could throw the rifle up like modern day M4. the FBI was severely out gunned when they came upon Bonnie and Clyde.

could you imagine firing a full auto 30-06 from the hip! Clyde barrow was an f'ing man.

anyway...after this the federal govt took a negative attitude towards citizens modifying their own fire arms.
 
BigRedB2 said:
well..if you want to get technically, you cannot perform any modification to a fire arm without a class III FFL. its legally considered "manufacturing" a fire arm. You have Clyde Barrow to thank for this view point as he "manufactured" his own concealable browning BAR rifles. bad ass pieces of work, sawed off barrels, pistol gripped and shoulder slung so he could throw the rifle up like modern day M4. the FBI was severely out gunned when they came upon Bonnie and Clyde.
could you imagine firing a full auto 30-06 from the hip! Clyde barrow was an f'ing man.
anyway...after this the federal govt took a negative attitude towards citizens modifying their own fire arms.
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Fun story, but I'm fairly certain you are wrong. Care to cite any legislature backing that up?
 
yeah..im too tired tonite to dig it all out. but yeah, i will.

now that i think about though....im remembering the phrase "smoothbore"...but that could be from when i was researching building a canon.

im pretty sure this topic was discussed on here several years ago, with Mr.Gadget being the leading authority. wonder where he went?
 
Clyde Barrow, killed May of 1934.
National Firearms Act June of 1934.

"A shotgun or rifle having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length or any other weapon, other than a pistol or revolver, from which a shot is discharged by an explosive if such weapon is capable of being concealed on the person, or a machinegun, and includes a muffler or silencer for any firearm whether or not such a firearm is included in the foregoing definition"



but, i think your arguement was that they do not consider it illegal to "manfacture" a fire arm.

it looks like in 2009 the definitions were changed (in the BATF handbook) a little bit, to clarifiy that you cannot manufacture for the purpose of reselling.

This is only the change to BATF handbook definitions, i dont think the actual statute was ammended.

i need to dig further...but im pretty sure you cannot build your own fire arm unless it is smooth bore and muzzle loaded or a curio replica.
 
okay..here it is.

Gun Control Act 1968

start here....definitions.

(i) Make.:The term "make", and the various derivatives of such word, shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business under this chapter), putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm.


Sec. 5822. Making



No person shall make a firearm unless he has (a) filed with the Secretary a written application, in duplicate, to make and register the firearm on the form prescribed by the Secretary;(b) paid any tax payable on the making and such payment is evidenced by the proper stamp affixed to the original application form;(c) identified the firearm to be made in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe;(d) identified himself in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe, except that, if such person is an individual, the identification must include his fingerprints and his photograph;and (e) obtained the approval of the Secretary to make and register the firearm and the application form shows such approval.Applications shall be denied if the making or possession of the firearm would place the person making the firearm in violation of law.
 
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