35 spline hub advice

Jeff B

Jeff B

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A customer of mine keeps breaking the warn 35 spline hubs. Fuses. will not just replace fuse due to liability. These are not on a 4 x 4, they are on a shoulder machine.

The axle is not of the floating type so the yukons are a bitch to fit due to the tight tollerances.

So.. in the style of the warns. Whats next in strength?


Thanks
 
Drive flanges an option?
 
Superwinch used to make a far superior all metal manual locking hub. But I have only ran them in a half ton axle.
 
I run mile markers on my 60. I've broken a few but mile marker sells replacement parts. The only part I've broken is the actual sliding lock ring. Replacements are $11 was from mm and you only have to putt the chrome outer dial off to replace the ring. I bought a few last time and carry as spares. At least that way you may not have to fight the tight axle press fit.

I think Yukon makes a stronger setup similar to the old stock Spicer's but I have no experience with them.

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Yukon hardcore hubs

Matt
 
Tim C said:
I run mile markers on my 60. I've broken a few but mile marker sells replacement parts. The only part I've broken is the actual sliding lock ring. Replacements are $11 was from mm and you only have to putt the chrome outer dial off to replace the ring. I bought a few last time and carry as spares. At least that way you may not have to fight the tight axle press fit.

I will look into them. thanks

I think Yukon makes a stronger setup similar to the old stock Spicer's but I have no experience with them.



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mcutler said:
Yukon hardcore hubs

Matt
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The Yukon hubs begs for a full float design. the design I am looking in using then MI is not a floating design as stated in my original post. thanks for you input though...
 
Jeff B said:
The Yukon hubs begs for a full float design. the design I am looking in using then MI is not a floating design as stated in my original post. thanks for you input though...
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Sorry I missed your mention of Yukon previously.

By definition, any locking hub by any manufacturer including warn is designed for a full floating axle (front or rear) therefore in theory wouldn't work in your application.

I'm curious to how they connect the hydraulic motor to the spindle or shaft that the locking hubs are coupling, being that it is semi-float. I'm trying to imagine a semi float axle with hydraulic motors power both sides.

Sorry, not trying to be argumentative Jeff, just trying to understand. I would think something like an axle disconnect (dodge truck or jeep yj) might be a better solution....maybe even something like a driveline disconnect that guys are using in honda buggies.

I feel like I'm missing something...any pics?







Matt
 
The spindle is bolted to the flange of the wheel motor, hub goes on just like a standard d60. However the spindle itself is splined as the axle at the end 1.5" (approx)

With that said, the yukons. When I installed them The manufacturer that machined these pieces made the tolerances so tight I was for 2 hours with a file in the field polishing & knocking down spline edges to go to disengage & engage. Because the yukons are like a sliding flange between inner axle splines that are rigid to the inner hub splines.

The warns have a loose floating fuse that as the part that locks the inner shaft to the outer hub.

I'll get a pic this afternoon, I have a bent shaft & hub in the shop.

Thanks
 
I have heard that the best hubs are the old 78-79 ford 60 hubs and then having them broached to 35 spline. I have not personal experience, but I remember reading a thread on pirate about it many years ago. I might even have one if you decide to go that route.
 
GubNi said:
I have heard that the best hubs are the old 78-79 ford 60 hubs and then having them broached to 35 spline. I have not personal experience, but I remember reading a thread on pirate about it many years ago. I might even have one if you decide to go that route.
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I would need about 20.
 
upnover said:
If the spindle is the issue, why not redesign that part, so the Yukon lock outs could be used?
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That's an option, and we are looking at that. At this point trying to find something that can handle more shock load for a simple bolt in fix rather than a complete tear down.
 
until another solution is viable, maybe use slugs and remove them for towing. lil more hassle but will keep machine turning and not break while in use.
 
upnover said:
until another solution is viable, maybe use slugs and remove them for towing. lil more hassle but will keep machine turning and not break while in use.
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She wont do that, I mentioned it. To much work for her customers.
 
OK, is it possible to use the smaller axle? Maybe less is better? the 35 spline Warns have long been known to be weak. But the factory ones were pretty strong. At least I know when I run them on my Jeep, never had a failure.
 
upnover said:
OK, is it possible to use the smaller axle? Maybe less is better? the 35 spline Warns have long been known to be weak. But the factory ones were pretty strong. At least I know when I run them on my Jeep, never had a failure.
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Factory? you mean oem from dana?
 
upnover said:
yes and no. 30 spline yes, but the warn premium hubs. If axle strength is issue, 30 spline Chromo's?
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That would be a complete redesign of the axle/spindle.
 
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