$50 paint job advice wanted

Willc

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So I was getting tired of the rusty carolina sunburn hood on the XJ. The plan was simple pull the grill ,sand, prime, sand ,prime,sand and then shoot with a hvlp gun the mix of rustolem and thinner and hardner, IE the $ the 50 paint job which I have close to that in now. After watching youtube I decided that the foam roller deal was not for me. If you see in the pics not going for perfect just better.

With the heat or humidity one I am having issues with the primer. I tried two different manufactures but it barely wants to spray. At this point I am ready to color coat it let it set up wet sand and polish.
'My thought now is before I spend 40 bucks on a china freight hvlp gun will I get close to the same results from spray cans if I wet sand ,polish etc?
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I have no idea what you're trying to say but if you are going to paint the whole thing eventually, just send it to maaco and be done with it. You can't paint it for $50. Rustoleum is an oil base. You can't just throw some hardener in it and it's not anything you can paint over or expect to work well.

I pay $10 for the HF guns on sale. They work well enough but they don't compare to a quality one. Please just send it to a cheap shop and be done with it

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I like it just the way it is. Biggest mistake I made was selling that back to you!
 
I had a Ford Escape that looked the same on the hood. I tried the spray can, make that 4 spray cans, & it looked like Crap! I did get a small test area compounded down to something fair. But before I could finish, it got traded on a New Truck. I just painted my car trailer, with primer, automotive paint [$165/gal.] & a HF spray gun. It turned out pretty good, but I can tell if the surface was as wide as a Hood, it would be showing streaks/light & dark areas. Of course a Wider spray pattern might have helped. Hard to beat a Maco price, with all the labor & supplies!
 
No I won't be painting the whole thing. The sides and liftgate are good enough . Just the roof at some point and the hood.
 
Get a decent gun off ebay. Then go to napa and buy a quart of their single stage automotive paint. I did my whole jeep two years ago and it still looks good except when I've beat it up more from wheeling

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Ok I think I will go with a single stage paint. Thinking of pulling the rack so I can shoot the roof at the same time. I may hit one local shop and get a price on just the hood being shot.
It is all primed and slick and ready to go
 
Pull the hood off to paint. You'll be more comfortable shooting it on a set of saw bucks and save a few bucks worth of masking tape. Hit up finish masters for a pint of nason single stage/reducer. They can use your code to get the mix right. Can't learn if you don't try. Did you get the surface rust sanded off before you primed it? Also pick up a quart of wax/grease remover spray it all down and blow it dry before you start your painting. You'll get a better price if the hood is off if you decide to take it to maaco.


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Pull the hood off to paint. You'll be more comfortable shooting it on a set of saw bucks and save a few bucks worth of masking tape. Hit up finish masters for a pint of nason single stage/reducer. They can use your code to get the mix right. Can't learn if you don't try. Did you get the surface rust sanded off before you primed it? Also pick up a quart of wax/grease remover spray it all down and blow it dry before you start your painting. You'll get a better price if the hood is off if you decide to take it to maaco.


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If you paint the hood vertical, you will get less trash in it from painting in not so clean environment. Also helps to keep the spraying even and not bump the gun or hose into the surface.

I strongly recommend to spray a base coat and then clear. With single stage you can't cut and buff very much and when the surface oxidizes you will lose color.

Spray the base almost as several semi heavy dust coats just to get the color even.

If you have any runs, stop, sand them out and touch up.

It won't be shiny, it should be dull but even. Don't try to lay a wet base coat. There will be no advantage.


Then give it flash time to for the reducer to evaporate.

Then spray your clear. You will have to open the orfice some more from spraying the base as the molecules in the clear are much larger. Use mfr air psi.

Start with dusting and tack coats. Check for tackiness by touching inconspicuous area. It should feel sticky, when it follows your finger like tiny spider webs as you remove finger from lightly touching, it's ready for another coat.

* if your dust coats don't feel sticky and no webs develop with finger, could either be a wet coat that hasn't flashed long enough to tack up, or a dry dust coat that doesn't have enough liquid on surface to develop the webs.

If it's dust coat, I usually wait 5 mins then go with next coat.

Keep applying several thin coats make each one a bit wetter than the previous.


Your final coat you want somewhat wet, but not nearly as wet as spray painting, as the clear will flow out some more on the surface.

Keep your gun 8-10" away from surface.

If you have any runs on last coat, it's not end of the world, as there is enough thickness to cut and buff them out.

You will be much happier with a base clear than a single stage and the prep is the same.

After all it's the hood, that's what u look out and see while driving. If you are spending the time to prep correctly for single stage, the increase in time to spray base clear is negligible.

If you see flaws in the base, fix that before you apply the clear.

If you have big runs, let them cure in the sun for a couple days, then you can shave them off with a razor blade and buff the area.

You don't have to get a super wet finish, just think of it as adding thickness that you can then buff out later.

The bigger mistake is hanging a big curtain on the final coat and having to , shave cut and buff out a big run.

The last note. Have some cardboard around to set up your gun for the base, and then for the clear. You'll want to adjust the needle opening and air psi, bc they will be different for both.

You want as little air psi as possible while getting full atomization. If you see big droplets, not adequate atomization.

If the surface is textured, you are either too close to surface when spraying, or too much air psi.
 
I turned the corners on the hood to help blend better.This is where it sits now. Good Lord Mac that is a lot to take in.It was sanded to remove rust hit with etching primer then sanded again and primer coat .
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Won't a base/clear paint have problems being shot on top of rattle can primer? I thought I've read somewhere it will more than likely lift the spray paint.
 
Won't a base/clear paint have problems being shot on top of rattle can primer? I thought I've read somewhere it will more than likely lift the spray paint.
Not sure about that never really ran into it. Always used good primer through a gun.
 
Should be ok as long as you used decent primer (smart,SEM....) not rustolium Home Depot crap.


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Won't a base/clear paint have problems being shot on top of rattle can primer? I thought I've read somewhere it will more than likely lift the spray paint.

^^In my experience, most of the time yes it will. Sometimes you can get away with very small areas, I have never tried anything that size before, but can almost guarantee issues using a solvent based base/clear or single stage over a rattle can primer. And this is regardless of brand, SEM, duplicolor, transstar etc etc. The solvents/reducers in the rattle can primers are generally different from the reducer used in base coats and single stage paints. You can probably avoid this issue by using a sealer or epoxy primer (as a sealer) before base coating, this will isolate the primer from the base and also give a uniform layer to basecoat in case you have any thin primer spots. I have not had issues with sealers or epoxy reacting to the rattle can primers.

Rattle can job can only be so good and will not wet sand/buff nicely. It will still look like rattle can. Most rattle cans are acrylic enamel and will not last or shine like even a good urethane single stage.

Single stage paint should be fine for what you are doing. The Nason single stage that was mentioned above will work fine, we use it regularly on lower buck stuff. It can be shot easily and it is relatively inexpensive. Shot properly, most people would never be able to tell it is a single stage. Wet sands and buffs fine. Less spray time (2 coats, vs 4 coat absolute minimum with base/clear). Lays out just as well as similar quality clear coats. This is a much better option than rattle cans and better than using a super cheap base/clear. If you go to maaco or similar, the cheaper paint jobs will be single stage paint and be way crappier than the nason paint.

Base/clear will be the best option but also the most expensive and most time consuming. Basically follow @Mac5005 instructions. Don't use super cheap clear coat, if it comes out of the can with the viscosity of water or alcohol, it is probably junk, it should have some consistency to it.

Whichever way you decide, if you are going to use a HVLP gun, you need to mask the truck waaayyyy better than that. Get some plastic and bag it, then cut out the area to be painted and mask. Overspray will get EVERYWHERE and the cleanup will be a bitch.
 
So thank all of you for your thoughts, It sounds like I need to just call it quits before I get pissed at the results I get. If anyone wants to PM me a quote on shooting the hood or the hood and top or doing the whole jeep PLEASE pm me. I plan on keeping this one a while
 
For a few years I rocked a Jeep Cherokee that I painted with tractor implement paint. It actually worked great and was easy to buff. It lasted years and when I sold it still looked pretty good. Best part is they sold the same paint in cans, so I could touch up trail damage when it got bad haha. Here are some pics of it a year after I painted it.

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I'm disappointed. I liked the rat rod look. That is the only vehicle I regret selling. Could I just park it in the driveway the next time your out of town?! Just want to see her again!
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So thank all of you for your thoughts, It sounds like I need to just call it quits before I get pissed at the results I get. If anyone wants to PM me a quote on shooting the hood or the hood and top or doing the whole jeep PLEASE pm me. I plan on keeping this one a while

Don't be a quitter! You got this. Sand it smooth, hit it with a sealer and then single stage. Rock it for 4-5 years. Take your time and be proud of it. Single stage will buff out just fine. Learn something.
 
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