Adding on to your house

mbalbritton

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We need a bigger house. I'm looking at either moving and selling or renting my current house, or adding on to my house. The addition I'm thinking of seems pretty simple and straight forward, but I've never taken on a project like this. Not sure where to begin.

Can I just contact a contractor, give him my ideas and he can take it from there? Do I need to call in an architect to draw it up? How does all this work and where do I begin?
 
A GOOD contractor can look at what you want to do and draw it up. No need to hire an engineer or architect. If you send the plans to a truss mfgr to order trusses, they have engineers that design the trusses and will make sure that the structure will support the loads.
 
You'll have to have drawings, even fairly rudimentary ones, in order to get a building permit. You'll also want some drawings for the contractor so that there's an agreed-upon basis for the contracted work. Some contractors can do this. You can also do it yourself, to a point.

Beyond that, the answer is "it depends". It depends on how much the improvements are going to cost, it depends on whether or not you're in an HOA, it depends on what municipality you're in, how your lot is zoned, what the setbacks are, how close you are to them, height restrictions, FAR restrictions, whether or not there are any development overlay districts, historic districts, watershed development districts, etc. There's no end to the things that could require you to have signed/sealed drawings or even a city council hearing. I'd say it's unlikely, but without knowing all the specifics, no one can say for sure.
 
I guess a visit to the town hall to find out what all restrictions there are and a list of "to-do's" that need to happen is in order. There's no HOA and I'm pretty much in the country, but still in city limits. I'm sure there's setback and proximity restrictions, but I doubt I'll be encroaching on those. I would be building out, not up. out the back and the front and a little on the side. the side could be limiting on how close to my neighbors house I can build.

thanks for the info, keep it coming.
 
Are you in Forsyth county?
It's been several years now, but when I finished my basement in Lewisville I did it by permit w/ inspections and everything.
I was really impressed at how friendly the permits/inspections folks were about walking me through the process and explaining what I did & did not have to do. Of course it wasn't something nearly to this scale.

I'm sure you know that in the long run, you're most likely better off financially buying a new house and renting that one, especially if the work will be all contracted. W/ additions the house per-sq ft value doesn't really add linearly, and you can get topped out on the local neighborhood value w/ comps etc when selling time comes.
But of course the time/effort for moving and renting, changing kids' schools etc can be tremendous.
 
Were in Randolph County. I've looked around our area, there are about 2 houses with 4 beds for sale and neither are ones that I would want. There is one farm house in consideration, but I'm weighing my options.

fortunately, the adding on to our existing house would be done in areas that wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience while living there as well. Adding a garage out the front of the house then converting the existing garage into a master suite followed up by an addition on the back side of the to build a new kitchen/breakfast/pantry area. After that, rip out the old kitchen and a wall to make a large living area in the middle of the house. moving a couple of walls in the process to make an office as well. All in all adding about 800sqft to a 1500sqft house.
 
We were in the same boat about 2-3 years ago. We had a contractor(guy who was building my parents new house at the time) come out and talk to us, but he told us we really needed to talk to an architect. We ended up talking to three different architects. Two of them told us that we were changing too many things about the house and we would be better off building a new house unless we could scale back our renovation plans. The other guy just wanted the money to do the design. We ended up selling the house, and hiring one of the two honest architects to draw plans for our new house. We are actually scheduled to break ground tomorrow.

This is the architect we used:
http://www.shjobe.com/
 
http://www.trinity-nc.gov/index.asp...2FE}&DE={C5D1188D-1788-47DC-A476-CFFD470C6831}

Here's for starters (If you live in Trinity).
1'st thing you do is to look up all ordinances / restrictions that pertain to you. I'm pretty certain all municipalities in NC require an Existing Boundary Map and Proposed Site Plan (both to scale) showing what you're doing at the least, along with architecturals and details. This you can do all by yourself if you know how. Hopefully your property has had a boundary map done (in which you should be able to find in this section as well).

2'nd (skip on to 3'rd is best) is call Trinity Planning Dept. 431-2841 (doesn't list an area code?) Call, play dumb and do yourself a HUGE favor and do NOT NOOOOOOOT tell them specifically where you live yet until you are 100% sure what you want to do and that you currently comply to all CURRENT regulations. As soon as you pull a permit, "grandfathered" is no longer valid and everything that is touched to accomplish what you are doing has to be up to code, including septic / setbacks / watersheds / Buffers. No matter what the regs were when your house was built. The initial call only gives the planning board perfect reason to analyzed you under a microscope to see if you comply as it is if you aren't 100% certain. Just tell them you are "thinking" about it and only wondering. At very least, you need to give them your current zoning which dictates basically everything. Other factors is if you are close to any Buffers or Watersheds and your own HOA if you have one?

3'rd - In which is much better than 2'nd if you are 100% you're all good is to tell Planning exactly where you live and what you want to do. But you better calc your current impervious and know your restrictions due to your zoning before spending any money. NCDENR / DWQ is all over development these days as well.

An Engineer is always good to know in case you need one to get you out of a jam. I'm extremely fortunate to work with some and had a sealed letter done up once simply stating a structure was sound when a jerk of an inspector wouldn't accept ruff cut lumber after the fact it's stated in the Wake County UDO that I could as long as "it was air dried on site". Bastard wouldn't pass me. The letter was a quick pass. Remember - Inspectors and Planning Board thinks they are GOD. Never met one that didn't cause they basically are considering you are paying their salary and more than likely the municipality is in negative money territory right now. Definately not a good time to add on considering. Red tape is the thickest ever right now.

If you can't navigate the website, I'm available for a fee for it is time consuming. I've got 21 years under my belt on the "client" side facing municipalities. Believe it or not, your biggest enemies will be fire protection, the fire department and along with your own neighbors. But HOPEFULLY you comply and all will be simply cut and dry...

If you can't do this, a contractor is your best bet.

Can you tell I've seen too many run ins. :) Seems every single project now days runs into something stupid. There again, Engineers can be golden. Good luck!
 
(sorry for the long reply - some may be useful!)

I live in Davidson County and had to build on an addition onto our house several years ago. Here's how it started:

My next door neighbor used to be a contractor. He and I were talking about how small our houses are (3 BR 1.5 bath) considering both of our families at that point had two teenage girls who constantly needed the main bathroom. I asked him how hard would it be to put a stall shower into the half bath and since it is like 6x6, it's near impossible. So he suggests building an addition off the front of the house to serve as a master bedroom suite. We think towards 15x15. During the conversation, he suggests "while we are building it, we might as well add a little more to give me an office". So we think 15x20. Then my wife butts in and says, "if he gets an office, I get a walk in closet". 15x30. Oh... and she wants a jacizzi tub for the bathroom (might as well enjoy it!) So we end up with an 18x36 master bedroom suite in the plan of which 9x9 walk in closet and 9x9 office. My contractor neighbor all the while easing my nerves saying he will help with everything.

We take the plans (simple sketches on graph paper which lays out where the existing house is, the road setback and how big the proposed addition is) to the county for review. They send out someone from the Health Department to review the septic and puts the brakes on the whole thing. Seems as how our septic is only rated for 3 bedrooms and we wanted to add a 4th. He says he has good news and bad news...

Bad news is we can't add another bedroom. The land we are on will not perk to today's standards to add more septic capacity. With that kind of bad news, I wonder what kind of good news he can have...... Well, we can build a "bonus room". I ask him if the bonus room can have a bathroom attached? Sure. Can it have a whirlpool tub in it? Sure - big as you want. Just can't be a bedroom.... (so no closet!!!!)

A quick change of the proposed plans has a Bonus Room with a bathroom with stall shower and whirlpool bath (6' so that if I ever want to enjoy it I can, too!) and TWO 9x9 offices (his and hers).

I secure all the permits for plumbing, structure and electrical and my HVAC contractor secures the HVAC one (we added central air to the whole house at the same time). We get the foundation poured as I'm watching a moving truck pull up to my neighbor's house. He didn't tell me he was moving. There goes my contractor neighbor and any hope I had of getting this thing done. Or so I thought.

I am not a framer, carpenter, electrician, plumber, or anything in the building trades. Before I started on this, I didn't own a nail gun or a square. I had the internet and a basic idea of what I wanted to get done.

The guy who poured the foundation suggested a mason for the block and brickwork for the crawlspace. Turns out the guy wasn't as good as he thought because the block ended up about a half inch narrower at the road side as the house side. This didn't end up a big deal since I adjusted for it in the floor joists and made it square overhanging the brick by 1/4" each side. Only I would notice really.

One thing I didn't notice at the time was that the existing house does not have a sill plate (a weather barrier between the block and the joists.) I don't know how it got past the inspectors in the 70's when the house was built, but all the houses on the street are the same. Current code requires a sill plate or a bituminous membrane between the block and the joists. In order to get the house and the addition to line up, I had to rely on the inspector and the guy from the building supply company for suggestions. They found a thin vinyl/plastic barrier that worked for this membrane and we were off again. I was very lucky to work with a guy at GW Smith lumber who knew how clueless I was, but really wanted to help.

The floor joists are one thing that I wish I could have done differently. Because I was spanning 18 feet, I had to go with some pretty tall joists. I think they are 12". I had to space them every foot because of the span. When the foundation guy was pouring it, he asked if I wanted some pillars to help break up the span. I declined since I was within spec based on teh quintity and thickness of the joists. In retrospect, the pillars would have given me less creaky floors and less bounce, and as it turns out wouldn't have cost anything since he already had the materials on hand. Lesson learned.

I laid the subfloor and began building walls. Not knowing anything about framing, I learned about stud spacing the hard way. I thought I'd be crafty and build wall segments in 8 foot increments so I could move them around myself. (did I mention that my wife is pregnant during this point and most times I'm working alone?) The 8 foot walls were nice and convenient, but the studs rarely lined up with the wall sheathing, so I usually had to add 2x4's to fix gaps. Another lesson learned the hard way - but nothing impossible.

Once the walls were up, it was time to get the trusses built and installed. In my case, we only took out a loan for the amount of the foundation, roof and HVAC since they were the big ticket items that I knew I couldn't do myself and the roof and HVAC were for the whole house not just the addition. A LOT of time passed between putting the subfloor down and putting trusses up, so that meant a lot of time spent under a tarp. By now, my daughter is walking around while my wife and I are trying to figure out how to hoist these trusses up just her and I. The truss at the end of the house was the easiest since the bottom of it is the top of the wall. Line it up and nail it home. Support it from teh ground and she stays put. Now, the other ones aren't so nice. Since I wanted a vaulted ceiling, there are just the two outer points to connect to the walls and nothing to keep them from falling over while you nail them in place. Here's where I get crafty again. I decide to attach a 2x4 onto the truss at the center of the V so that when I set it on the wall, we can use the 2x4 as a lever to rotate them up to their upside down V shape on the wall, giving my wife something to hold on the ground while I run around with a ladder and nail gun (I bought one AFTER building the walls - another lesson learned). All was well until the zip ties that I used to hold the 2x4 to the truss snapped causing the truss to rotate back around nearly falling on my daughter. Enough of this lone wolf crap - I needed help.

I put the word out at my church and had a work Saturday setting trusses. Two guys came to help that were perfect for the job. They were both line workers used to heights and building stuff. We had all the trusses set by lunch and had half of the roof sheathing up by the time they went home. The other half of the sheathing was put on a little at a time between work and rain storms. By now, the tarp had large holes in it that allowed a lot of water to hit my sub floor. Not good, but not much I could do at that point. It dried, and I had to do the best I could to get it level again. Another neighbor of mine who I had never talked to came over to see how I was doing. After a beer or two, he explained to me he was a contractor and that the method I was using to tie the old roof to the new roof wasn't going to pass inspection. He told me what to buy and it was there the next morning as well as his crew of guys to finish the roof tie-in. He never charged me and he has been a great friend to have ever since.

He also pointed out a couple small things that I needed to fix prior to drying it all in like one of my window openings didn't have enough studs around them for their size. My door openings and the smaller window openings were OK, but the large opening needed more beef.

I had a couple run-ins with the inspector mainly due to plumbing. There's not a lot of online help when it comes to rough plumbing. All they tell you is "Hot's on the left, cold's on the right and poop don't go uphill." I did learn the hard way not to "co-mingle" ABS and PVC, even though there is a specific green adhesive they sell at Lowes to do just that. The inspector failed it even after we looked up the ASTM requirements from the side of the adhesive bottle. I had to cut out the section and replace with ABS (I would have done it the first time, but Lowes was out of that material that day - thus why the salesman suggested the adhesive).

I had an electrician (WillC from on here) do the rough electrical and upgrade my breaker box at the same time. He was AWESOME. Unlike the original house wiring, I know everything is done right and he explained what everything was, and why it was there. Electrical was one of the few things to pass first time every time.

As I was hanging the sheetrock, (roughly 5 years after breaking ground) I watched as my contractor neighbor moved BACK in next door. He was very impressed at the work I had done. It's nowhere near professional quality, but honestly....the original house wasn't either. But, I can tell you why every nail and every screw is where it is - because I put it there.
 
for your situation, its best to call an Architect to design according to local requirements. after that, hire a good contractor to do the work. Trusting a contractor to follow the rules for permits, set backs, etc. is piss poor because most will never do it properly or will do just enough to get a permit (if they even pull one).

Wether you are in downtown or on the outer limits of the city, you are still in city limits so you have to abide by the expectations of the city/planning board.
 
A good friend is a builder/landlord/investor. He told us addition cost a minimum twice what new construction is, counting all cost. He said we'd be better to look for another home.
 
Just a quick tip, I would strongly recommend against following #2 that Mr. BangBronk suggested, and here's why.

The Planner will know where you live, he will be able to find you almost instantly, and more over, will remember you because you tried to hide from him.

For example, the Zoning of your home (if I am looking at the correct one) is R-40 (possibly R-12, their zoning map has the almost the same colors for them both). You will need to check with the Trinity Planner to know for sure.

If it is R-40, your setbacks are

40 from the Front Property Line
10 from the Side Property Lines
25 from the Rear Property Line

If it is R-12, your setbacks are

30 from the Front Property Line
10 from the Side Property Lines
25 from the Rear Property Line

You have no open space requirement if it is R-40, and 1/60th an acre if it is R-12.

You are in a Watershed (Uwharrie River - Lake Reese), but you are not in a floodzone.

I suspect, looking at the aerial photo, it will be difficult to build out towards the front, you're probably right on that 40 foot setback. That would explain why all the houses on your street line up.

Another thing to keep in mind, if you have a run in with the Inspector, ITS BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. If an inspector lets something slide, ITS AGAINST THE LAW. Inspector's do not want to be assholes, but they will be if you are to them.

One last thing, and I'll finally get around to eating my lunch...day to day activities like this are not in the scope of the Planning Board. Planning boards get involved with rezonings, conditional/special uses, ordinance amendments, etc. They ARE NOT salaried employees of your town or county, they are appointed by a governing board. They do receive a a stipend for every planning board meeting, but its generally a trivial amount. Remember, zoning isn't there to inconvenience you, it is there to protect you.

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT REPRESENT THE TOWN OF TRINITY. I'm not their planner, just trying to pass a long some information.
 
Talking to a contractor supplier who's a long time friend of mine. He said with a contractor you're looking at about $120/sqft for additions. That's $96K at 800 sqft. I know additions are more tricky than new construction but DAMN! That's just hard to justify considering the current value of my house in this market.
 
Wow. that seems really high. For that kind of coin.... move
This...when I bought my house, I looked at adding onto the deck. The only way it makes financial sense is to do it yourself, otherwise you'll never get your money back when you sell. The crappy part about adding on to a dwelling/load bearing wall is you have to get a permit. Luckily when I built my 12'x20' shed in my backyard my neighbors turned a deaf ear/blind eye and I built it very quick w/out pulling a permit since it can't be seen from the road.
 
Soooooo, second thought.

Throw a slab of concrete out back, put a two car garage on it, convert the current garage into a master suite and just update the current kitchen.

Bet I could do that for under $30k and achieve the added bedroom we need.
 
Soooooo, second thought.

Throw a slab of concrete out back, put a two car garage on it, convert the current garage into a master suite and just update the current kitchen.

Bet I could do that for under $30k and achieve the added bedroom we need.

That could work, but you need to talk to your Environmental Health department. If you're on city water and sewer, its probably not an issue, but if you're on septic, your system is probably not rated for an extra bedroom. You will probably need a septic review from them anyways, just so you know your addition will not be going on top of the tank or any septic lines.

I'm not sure if its the same everywhere, but here, your property would be exempt from watershed requirements because it is less than an acre. Looks like it might be the case there seeing as their open space requirement is only listed as 1/60th an acre.

Id call your planner and ask him/her. See if there is any different setback regulations for detached accessory buildings. Any accessory building here can be 10' off any lot line, but anything attached to the home has to follow our standard setback regs (30, 10, 20).

If it helps, our process here is:

1. Zoning Permit
Basically so you and everyone else you talk to knows what you are doing is allowable per the zoning ordinance. Generally, the contractor is the one who buys this permit.

2. Environmental Health Septic Review
They then come out and check your system, make sure its in order and can work for your newest needs. The home owner is responsible for acquiring the septic review (which is required to get your building permit)

3. Building Inspections
Building permits are generally sold as a pack that includes your plumbing, electrical and mechanical. This permit is purchased by the contractor. You can do it yourself, but the process is a bit more complicated.

Now be warned, our system here is clunky, outdated, and minimal. I assume its probably much more in-depth in other jurisdictions.
 
^^^ This again. Macdaddy's on it.:huggy:

Every municipality is different. And you don't know until you dig. But you know after all of this sounding difficult, it really aint. And if you meet the criteria, I'd say go for it!!! And do everything that you can do yourself.

First off the bat would be to search deeds for a boundary map or plat with your house located. If you ain't got that, consider $500+ up towards $1,000 to have one done by a surveyor. I'd look into this before doing anything else. This is for the Site plan in which you can do as well.

Up front it's common for a municipality to want to know your impervious. Simply digitize your rough impervious (anything besides grass) even gravel is impervious and see if your well under the limit (limits vary by zoning) and how far you can go. You can always do a swap by taking up gravel or tearing an outbuilding down or such as well if needed.

Permits usually also include Foundation, Insulation and Building Final.

I do all my own chit. Everything that doesn't require a license. And then I have friends / family that I use for that. I even do my own surveying and have my surveyor seal it for me (company benifit).

And as said, get a helper or 2. 2 people do 3 times as much as 1 and 3 does 2 times as 2 does. It multiplies up until you have too many dancing on each other.
 
That could work, but you need to talk to your Environmental Health department. If you're on city water and sewer, its probably not an issue, but if you're on septic, your system is probably not rated for an extra bedroom. You will probably need a septic review from them anyways, just so you know your addition will not be going on top of the tank or any septic lines.

Definitely would need to hook up to the new sewer line in the neighborhood. Our septic is inadequate for our use right now. That's going to happen first and foremost, regardless of addition construction.

Thanks for all the info.
 
Sewer!!! :rolleyes: Hell, the sky's the limit now. :cool: Forget everything I said and call and talk to planning about building another house on to yours. Seriously, a duplex. Dude, sewer is night and day compared to septic. And good chances are you can rezone.
 
Soooooo, second thought.

Throw a slab of concrete out back, put a two car garage on it, convert the current garage into a master suite and just update the current kitchen.

Bet I could do that for under $30k and achieve the added bedroom we need.

Just for reference, we just did a bare studs gut/refit of our kitchen. New roof, new tile surround in the tub, bunch of little odd/end stuff around the house, painting/patching etc. Pretty sure we're well over $30k. Our kitchen is small (9x12?), and we didn't do anything "fancy/custom/out of the ordinary". The only new appliances we purchased were a dishwasher and disposal.

Oh, and we got some smoking "in the industry"-type deals on some stuff.
 
Keep in mind that, w/o knowing anything about the layout of the house, getting the proper HVAC and insulation into the garage, and doing it "right" so it isn't just obviously a converted garage could be a serious ordeal and $$. Aside from getting all the venting there, the added sq ft probably means upgrading the systems and possibly the main trunk lines for the needed flow...
Plus just doing a good proper 2-car garage could be $30k itself.
 
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