Asheville man in deep do do...enter for discussion

Until we know the entire backstory, there will be speculation. Hopefully mall security camera footage will indicate what transpired leading up to the confrontation outside.

I'll play the "if it were me game"
Unless I saw someone being physically harmed or immediate/imminent harm, I would have gotten the attention of mall security or on site PD. If I saw someone being truly physically assaulted beyond reasonable "fighting", I would step in to separate.

However, this dude is screwed regardless. The court of public opinion will bury him in our liberal town here. If he is employed, he will likely face severe scrutiny from his employer. Imagine the threats called/emailed/texted to him AND his family as a result of his actions. That is what would make me more likely to mind my own business (unless the aforementioned circumstances were occuring) just I can continue to provide and protect my own family, first.

The local social media sites are blowing up over this. You can see the divide in what was once a very conservative area but is now quite liberal. Race and gender card being played by one side while the other side is reminding them (the other side) they beg for equality. Another example of fitting whatever narrative is desired.

The youths were out of line and should have been supervised. Period. The dude was also out of line. However, whoever laid hands on whom first commited the first assault and the second person will claim self defense and will likely win that battle.

I think I will just stay away from mass gatherings (aside from weddings in Evarts KY) in town and enjoy my quiet and peaceful life on the mountain.
 
Hey just remember anytime you step in and you take one side over the other you are assuming any liability that the person has that you are helping. If they were the instigator and you help them then you can be charged with the same offenses as they can. So unless you know the entire story and who started it without a shadow of doubt you are better off getting help in the form of local PD or security. Anyone with a NC CHP permit knows this law as it is applied to self defense, if you use lethal self defense to aid someone else and they were the instigator you can be charge with manslaughter even murder for that "kind" act.
 
There is a video that plays after the one posted that states the big dude was working secondary security service at the mall. If that is the case, then I suspect his wife and kid/s were not there as one report stated, and he was just trying to get the kids to break up whatever they were doing and leave.

It is hard for me to look at those young girls and see myself feeling physically threatened in that situation (unless one of them is holding a weapon). I could pick each one of them up over my head and throw them.
 
Jody Treadway said:
* I don't disagree*

For the sake of arguement, That's pretty much what he did and she came back at him. Then what would you do?
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His biggest mistake in my opinion is he was standing his ground in the middle of the mob, if he would have been backing away and out of the mob and she kept coming she would have turned into the aggressor and then self defense would be easy to justify in my book. (Maybe not knocking her out but doing what was needed to keep her from continuing after me)

Even if he was the aggressor if he tried to leave and then they continued to come at him then they would become the aggressor or at least that’s what I was told my an old neighbor that was a cop.


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Jody Treadway said:
* I don't disagree*

For the sake of arguement, That's pretty much what he did and she came back at him. Then what would you do?
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It was just stating that I wouldn't ever feel threatened and the need to use force since I know I could easily over power each one of them. I wouldn't ever put myself in that situation though. If I was hired as 'back up' security, and that group wouldn't leave when I told them to, I would have retreated and called the police. I seriously doubt the 11 yr old hood rat is going to push an armed police officer in uniform and then rush at him with her fists balled up in front of her.
 
As far as I am concerned. The guy is 100% in the right. The backstory... Guy is at the mall with his wife and 5-7 year old daughter.

I don't care who you are, in any situation... I am absolutely against hitting a female, but you put me in a situation where I'm with my family and you are surrounding me and hitting me? Raising your hands like a man? I think most of us would react the same way.

My real problem is the person filming is clearly a black adult female... possibly a parent. What the fuck?
 
drkelly said:
I seriously doubt the 11 yr old hood rat is going to push an armed police officer in uniform and then rush at him with her fists balled up in front of her.
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Then can you imaging what would have likely transpired?
Another evil cop story the media would pounce upon.

Like @Loganwayne said, just leave. That way you are indicating you have no desire to cause harm.

My 100# malamute will let a teacup yorkie chew on his face without any action. But a 100# dane or shepherd approaching will cause his neck fur to rise. He evaluates a threat and reacts accordingly.
 
We discussed this yesterday with friends. A friend mentioned a story in his home town, teenage thug breaks into a home with a gun he stole from his father. Teen is shot and killed by homeowner (Special forces). Months later, father returns with the same pistol, breaks into the same home for revenge... Is also shot and killed by homeowner.
Homeowner is reported as laughing and telling the mother "Your welcome, I cleaned up 2 problems for you"
Savage as hell, but so damn true.
 
DSM Turbos said:
Wait.. I thought there are no exceptions and no excuses?
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Ok let me rephrase since you feel the need to call me out since I did in a sense contradict myself... my initial response was to the video itself, showing a grown man hitting a female which was a child at that, and I do stand by the fact that in that scenario (not protecting your family) I REPEAT no exceptions and no excuses!! After further reading that he possibly was protecting his family which is a completely diff situation then I find it justified in my personal life experiences to destroy any fucking thing or person trying to do so!! Not sure if your just just trying to be a smartass or be a dick (doesn’t bother me either way) I hope your reached your likes goal anywho! Lol When it to my family’s safety scenario, Fuck all who try to harm them!! I also Hope you got some satisfaction out of correcting my contradiction maybe I should have elaborated tho more in detail in my second post, I got a laugh out of it tho bc it first of all wasn’t necessary and second I didn’t have any other info to base my first response off of besides what I’ve dealt with in my life, and what the video showed... So carry on hoss hope you have a fantastic afternoon! ;)
 
C.Berry said:
Ok let me rephrase since you feel the need to call me out since I did in a sense contradict myself... my initial response was to the video itself, showing a grown man hitting a female which was a child at that, and I do stand by the fact that in that scenario (not protecting your family) I REPEAT no exceptions and no excuses!! After further reading that he possibly was protecting his family which is a completely diff situation then I find it justified in my personal life experiences to destroy any fucking thing or person trying to do so!! Not sure if your just just trying to be a smartass or be a dick (doesn’t bother me either way) I hope your reached your likes goal anywho! Lol When it to my family’s safety scenario, Fuck all who try to harm them!! I also Hope you got some satisfaction out of correcting my contradiction maybe I should have elaborated tho more in detail in my second post, I got a laugh out of it tho bc it first of all wasn’t necessary and second I didn’t have any other info to base my first response off of besides what I’ve dealt with in my life, and what the video showed... So carry on hoss hope you have a fantastic afternoon! ;)
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I'm just trying to show that the world is not just black and white on what to do in a situation. There are plenty of grey areas in life and things are not absolutes. Until you are in the situations, you never know how you would react, everybody sees things differently.
 
DSM Turbos said:
I'm just trying to show that the world is not just black and white on what to do in a situation. There are plenty of grey areas in life and things are not absolutes. Until you are in the situations, you never know how you would react, everybody sees things differently.
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agreed and I screwed up by sharing the first response without more information on that situation in reality, 100% my ignorance I’ll admit that!
 
So family that works at the mall told me this. Guy was in the mall those "kids" were same ones that have been know for harassing moms and kids. Always causing trouble. This time they were picking on one kid. Guy tells them to stop and they follow him outside. And he was not working security, an off duty cop was. When they followed him out side she made gun motion to back of his head. And then the pushing and hit happened. I am 100% on his side. Play adult get treated like an adult. I know some of the kids parents have pressed charges. Charges should be brought against them for leaving kids there when there is a rule that they have to be accompanied by parents. And Asheville mall should be held accountable for not enforcing the rules. I myself don't go there anymore because of all the little wanna be gang banger's.
 
What the hell? Was Chuckee Cheese closed or something?
 
obullfish said:
Mall policy is all minors under the age of 16 to be accompanied by an adult. So where are the sorry ass parents of the kids?
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Once again folks “assume” the dads are in the picture.I bet half are from single parent homes.Yeah I said it.


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I just find that the most satifying thing to watch? EVER
 
1-tonmudder said:
Once again folks “assume” the dads are in the picture.I bet half are from single parent homes.Yeah I said it.


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Quit tempting me. :D

I wasn't raised to be rascist, but I wasn't raised to be blind and oblivious either. ;)
 
XJsavage said:
Quit tempting me. :D

I wasn't raised to be rascist, but I wasn't raised to be blind and oblivious either. ;)
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Is it racist if it’s true???


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OK so just to bring up a different discussion point - a lot of folks are saying, "what are kids doin gat the mall alone?", "They have a policy of requiring escorts" etc.
I find it interesting how things have changed.
I'll put on my "grumpy old man" hat for a minute.
I grew up about 1/2 mile from the Cary Mall, off of Maynard Road just down from the high school. Graduated in '95. Back then it was the Cary Village Mall before it expanded to the Cary Towne Center... whatever.
Middle school age, my friends and I would ride our bikes, or even just walk, to the mall and play at the arcade by ourselves.
In the 7th grade, my best friend and I would walk home from East Cary MS on Fridays. We'd stop at the mall, get a slice of pizza, go to the arcade, then get candy from Treasury Drug, and walk home. We "hung out" at he mall all the time by ourselves. I guess I would have been 12.

I know this is not normal today, but when I look back at he freedom I had, I know that it helped me learn a lot about life and how to take care of myself and be independent. I actively encourage my kids to do things on their own and with minimal supervision.
Now, I ALSO had been trained not to be a little shithead to other people and to avoid situations just like this, and of course pass that on to my kids, so I never would be one of these little shit, and if any of those were mine, I'd laugh at them and tell them I hope they learned something (before groundin for being a little shit).

The point is - I personally don't find it odd for kids <16 y/o to be out w/o a parent. Now if the Mall has a policy about it, then it needs to be respected, and the parents need to be bitch-slapped for letting their kids be shitheads.

IMO a big part of the problems w/ society, and the newer generations of kids is that hey AREN'T brought up w/ enough responsibility and allowed to be on their own and do their own things, and fuck up on their own. Too much protection and coddling. And as said before - doing adult activities means getting adult responsibility and repercussions that come with them.
 
Watched the video a couple more times.
He responded correctly.
She ran full force into that punch. No doubt in my mind she was in attack mode.


Also no doubt he is probably screwed.
 
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