Band saw tooth count for metal

marty79

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 24, 2013
Location
Newton, NC
Finally getting my vertical bandsaw running, bought a 24TPI ¼"wide blade for it (its what Google said to use lol) and it cuts 14g steel like butter, ⅛ was slow but cutting...10g steel and thicker wouldn't do anything.
So what blade tooth count do I need to cut 10gz to 1/4" thick steel? Thank you in advance
 
I think I have a 10-14 on mine. Thick stuff I put the 8-12 on.
so for vertical band saw, do you use the 1/2" blades like i use on the horizontal saw or do you still use the thin 1/4" ones. I'd like to use the vertical saw for cutting 10g - 1/4" steel plates/brackets when they need trimming or rounded cuts even. Thanks bud
 
I should probably note my saw is like 1000yr old LOL, so it only has 1 speed and that one speed is not crazy fast but it ain't slow either
 
i worked at a shop once that had a vertical bandsaw with a little thin 1/4" "scroll saw" type blade (like the one i bought to try) and it would cut 1/4 and 3/8 like butter...this is what I'm trying to achieve, and I'm assuming is possible since that's what that saw had on it.
 
The tooth pitch is determined by what material you want to cut. The height/thickness of the blade is determined by the length of the blade, tension, and whether it used for straight cuts (horizontal bandsaw) or free cutting (vertical bandsaw). Horizontal bandsaws will typically have a much taller blade, in the neighborhood of 3/4"-1-1/4" so that you can run really high tension and prevent the blade from deflecting. Vertical bandsaw blade height is generally dictated by how sharp of a radius you want to cut. Here's a nice clean chart from Dakin-Flathers:

1665063864576.png



When selecting tooth pitch, you want to always have a tooth engaged in the cut so it doesn't bounce between teeth. For example, 8 teeth per inch (tpi) is 1/8" tooth to tooth, so you really should only use it with 1/4" and thicker (2 teeth engaged at all times), and never use it with 1/8" or less because it will break off teeth, break the band, or pop off the rollers (or all 3 at the same time).

If you have too many teeth engaged, it takes more pressure to cut, which is also not efficient and does not clear chips properly. Each tooth makes only 1 cut as it swipes across the material being cut, so you want to make sure it can pass all the way across the material cleanly without overloading. Once that chip fills the gullet (space between the teeth), the tip can no longer engage the material and simply floats across, basically cutting nothing. With a 24tpi blade in 1/4" steel, you have 5-6 teeth engaged at all times, and they are much smaller teeth, so they cannot cut efficiently.

10 gauge steel is approximately 0.140", and 1/4" is 0.250", so to cut that material, you want a blade with the coarsest tooth count possible for the thinner material, and not more than about 3 teeth engaged in the thicker material. 8tpi (0.125" between teeth) would technically work, but will be way too rough on the 10ga because you will feel the teeth dip in and out at each transition. 10tpi would give you an average of 1.4 teeth engaged in the 10ga (0.140" thick divided by 1/10tpi=0.100" between teeth)and 2.5 teeth engaged in the 1/4". 12tpi would give you an average of 1.7 teeth engaged in the 10ga (0.140" thick divided by 1/12tpi=0.083" between teeth), and 3 teeth engaged in the 1/4". You could also do a 14tpi to be smoother on the 10ga, but then it will take more force and cut much slower on the 1/4". I'd recommend a 12tpi blade, or a 10/12, 10/14, or 12/14 variable pitch blade.

Also, spend the extra $$ on a bi-metal blade. They come with teeth that are heat treated and of a harder material, so they will last longer and cut better. Don't cheap out on it. I'm a big fan of Lenox blades, but any bi-metal blade from a name brand such as Lenox, Dakin, Starrett, Morse, etc will be just fine. I buy most of mine on ebay because you can save a ton buying new old stock stuff from supply houses. Post up what saw you have, or the blade length and height, and I can help you find something.
 
Last edited:
variable pitch blade.
My bandsaw has run these and standard. Found with a wide variety of thickness I would rip a few teeth out of these. Starting to decide on a cold cut or chop saw for my thinner stocks and a dedicated tooth for the thicker stuff. I have leaned to a denser pattern to get better life but like you said chip load causes issues. Feed and break in make huge differences in life.

The radius chart is pretty neat.
 
The tooth pitch is determined by what material you want to cut. The height/thickness of the blade is determined by the length of the blade, tension, and whether it used for straight cuts (horizontal bandsaw) or free cutting (vertical bandsaw). Horizontal bandsaws will typically have a much taller blade, in the neighborhood of 3/4"-1-1/4" so that you can run really high tension and prevent the blade from deflecting. Vertical bandsaw blade height is generally dictated by how sharp of a radius you want to cut. Here's a nice clean chart from Dakin-Flathers:

View attachment 382237


When selected tooth pitch, you want to always have a tooth engaged in the cut so it doesn't bounce between teeth. For example, 8 teeth per inch (tpi) is 1/8" tooth to tooth, so you really should only use it with 1/4" and thicker (2 teeth engaged at all times), and never use it with 1/8" or less because it will break off teeth, break the band, or pop off the rollers (or all 3 at the same time).

If you have too many teeth engaged, it takes more pressure to cut, which is also not efficient and does not clear chips properly. Each tooth makes only 1 cut as it swipes across the material being cut, so you want to make sure it can pass all the way across the material cleanly without overloading. Once that chip fills the gullet (space between the teeth), the tip can no longer engage the material and simply floats across, basically cutting nothing. With a 24tpi blade in 1/4" steel, you have 5-6 teeth engaged at all times, and they are much smaller teeth, so they cannot cut efficiently.

10 gauge steel is approximately 0.140", and 1/4" is 0.250", so to cut that material, you want a blade with the coarsest tooth count possible for the thinner material, and not more than about 3 teeth engaged in the thicker material. 8tpi (0.125" between teeth) would technically work, but will be way too rough on the 10ga because you will feel the teeth dip in and out at each transition. 10tpi would give you an average of 1.4 teeth engaged in the 10ga (0.140" thick divided by 1/10tpi=0.100" between teeth)and 2.5 teeth engaged in the 1/4". 12tpi would give you an average of 1.7 teeth engaged in the 10ga (0.140" thick divided by 1/12tpi=0.083" between teeth), and 3 teeth engaged in the 1/4". You could also do a 14tpi to be smoother on the 10ga, but then it will take more force and cut much slower on the 1/4". I'd recommend a 12tpi blade, or a 10/12, 10/14, or 12/14 variable pitch blade.

Also, spend the extra $$ on a bi-metal blade. They come with teeth that are heat treated and of a harder material, so they will last longer and cut better. Don't cheap out on it. I'm a big fan of Lenox blades, but any bi-metal blade from a name brand such as Lenox, Dakin, Starrett, Morse, etc will be just fine. I buy most of mine on ebay because you can save a ton buying new old stock stuff from supply houses. Post up what saw you have, or the blade length and height, and I can help you find something.
Damn!
Amazing job here. Like, that's some serious high level communication. You should be promoted.
 
We need to give him more responsibilities first so we know he's actually ready for the promotion
I see you've been talking with the Germans. I need to see you in my office. 😠
 
I see you've been talking with the Germans. I need to see you in my office. 😠
You will be glad to know this new opportunity does not include a pay reduction to accompany it.
 
The tooth pitch is determined by what material you want to cut. The height/thickness of the blade is determined by the length of the blade, tension, and whether it used for straight cuts (horizontal bandsaw) or free cutting (vertical bandsaw). Horizontal bandsaws will typically have a much taller blade, in the neighborhood of 3/4"-1-1/4" so that you can run really high tension and prevent the blade from deflecting. Vertical bandsaw blade height is generally dictated by how sharp of a radius you want to cut. Here's a nice clean chart from Dakin-Flathers:

View attachment 382237


When selecting tooth pitch, you want to always have a tooth engaged in the cut so it doesn't bounce between teeth. For example, 8 teeth per inch (tpi) is 1/8" tooth to tooth, so you really should only use it with 1/4" and thicker (2 teeth engaged at all times), and never use it with 1/8" or less because it will break off teeth, break the band, or pop off the rollers (or all 3 at the same time).

If you have too many teeth engaged, it takes more pressure to cut, which is also not efficient and does not clear chips properly. Each tooth makes only 1 cut as it swipes across the material being cut, so you want to make sure it can pass all the way across the material cleanly without overloading. Once that chip fills the gullet (space between the teeth), the tip can no longer engage the material and simply floats across, basically cutting nothing. With a 24tpi blade in 1/4" steel, you have 5-6 teeth engaged at all times, and they are much smaller teeth, so they cannot cut efficiently.

10 gauge steel is approximately 0.140", and 1/4" is 0.250", so to cut that material, you want a blade with the coarsest tooth count possible for the thinner material, and not more than about 3 teeth engaged in the thicker material. 8tpi (0.125" between teeth) would technically work, but will be way too rough on the 10ga because you will feel the teeth dip in and out at each transition. 10tpi would give you an average of 1.4 teeth engaged in the 10ga (0.140" thick divided by 1/10tpi=0.100" between teeth)and 2.5 teeth engaged in the 1/4". 12tpi would give you an average of 1.7 teeth engaged in the 10ga (0.140" thick divided by 1/12tpi=0.083" between teeth), and 3 teeth engaged in the 1/4". You could also do a 14tpi to be smoother on the 10ga, but then it will take more force and cut much slower on the 1/4". I'd recommend a 12tpi blade, or a 10/12, 10/14, or 12/14 variable pitch blade.

Also, spend the extra $$ on a bi-metal blade. They come with teeth that are heat treated and of a harder material, so they will last longer and cut better. Don't cheap out on it. I'm a big fan of Lenox blades, but any bi-metal blade from a name brand such as Lenox, Dakin, Starrett, Morse, etc will be just fine. I buy most of mine on ebay because you can save a ton buying new old stock stuff from supply houses. Post up what saw you have, or the blade length and height, and I can help you find something.
Holy crap dude, thank you for the education. Not sure i got it all, or even half but I'm saving that for reference always. Mine takes 80.5" blade, old school craftsman 12" vertical bandsaw, single speed. And no I don't want to cheap out on a blade either! I bought a good $35 blade for my horizontal saw (64.5") and its still cutting awesome so I want decent quality
 
So is the final verdict 1/2" wide blade--12/14TPI--snd tempered steel blade? I think thsts what I've gathered from everyone's responses
 
So is the final verdict 1/2" wide blade--12/14TPI--snd tempered steel blade? I think thsts what I've gathered from everyone's responses
I prefer narrower, but 1/2" is pretty good for general use. 3/8" would probably be ideal, but buy a couple different sizes and see what works. Most of the 12" Craftsman verticals are 80" blade length, and yours probably is too, so search for 80" instead of 80.5" and you should have better luck.

So look for 80", 3/8" wide bimetal not just tempered. Pretty much all alloy steel is tempered, and all steels are alloys.

Got any pics of the saw? I used to have an old Craftsman 12" wood and it was probably the best cutting vertical I ever owned even for steel. The capacitor was bad, so I had to pull on the v-belt to get it going :laughing:
 
The capacitor was bad, so I had to pull on the v-belt to get it going :laughing:
I know all about this technique. And @marty79 just buy them by the box. The right place will net you a little savings on them in a box. Plus you'll be better off when you need that last part and your one blade dies. But I'm a fella setting on probably 10 various gas bottles, lol!
 
Holy crap dude, thank you for the education. Not sure i got it all, or even half but I'm saving that for reference always. Mine takes 80.5" blade, old school craftsman 12" vertical bandsaw, single speed. And no I don't want to cheap out on a blade either! I bought a good $35 blade for my horizontal saw (64.5") and its still cutting awesome so I want decent quality

Is it direct drive or pulley drive?
 
Not much tech to add on top of what Matt said, but I used to run a horizontal bandsaw at my last place of employment. 36" throat opening with 28' blade, 2" tall, .090 thick. I usually ran 3-4 or 4-6 tpi blades cutting pipe, I beam, c channel, square tubing, and sometimes solid plate.

Nothing to add other than reminiscing. I rather enjoyed my time running stuff at my last job. I will say, variable settings REALLY help. I could rip through some stuff and get a nice, straight cut. Feeds and speeds are always important in ANY kind of metalworking application. Feed pressure and blade speeds make a HUGE difference in cut quality as well as the life of your blades.

I'm sure those big ass blades I used weren't cheap. I know they were a challenge to change by myself too. Anyway, I could get a few months out of them...10 hrs a day, 4 days a week. I'd change them when they'd start to walk towards the bottom of the cut. Had to hold .060" with a tape up to, sometimes over, 60 feet.
 
All this info is pretty useless if you using a woodworking bandsaw. Invest in a used metalworking vertical bandsaw and life will be great. Matt is obsessed with them he'll find you a deal.
oh I didn't know this one i have is designed for wood lol. thanks for the heads up
 
Got any pics of the saw? I used to have an old Craftsman 12" wood and it was probably the best cutting vertical I ever owned even for steel. The capacitor was bad, so I had to pull on the v-belt to get it goi
I'll get one this morning, thank you
Is it direct drive or pulley drive?
pulley I assume since it runs on a belt...
 
I know all about this technique. And @marty79 just buy them by the box. The right place will net you a little savings on them in a box. Plus you'll be better off when you need that last part and your one blade dies. But I'm a fella setting on probably 10 various gas bottles, lol!
I wasn't aware this old thing had a capacitor lol. I bought his saw, a horizontal saw and drill press several years ago for $150 from some old timer and the other 2 work awesome, just now getting around to making this one work for those brackets that need little finessing here and there...I guess hoping it saves time of grinding/plasma cutting
 
Back
Top