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For the record, I did enjoy debating this with you. While your logic seems entirely flawed to me, especially considering your signature, your entitled to your opinion. Mine is based solely off of facts, sound logic, and the Word of God. No hard feelings on my end though.

Likewise...and that's because I wouldn't use the Bible as a shield from criticism for an organization where that hasn't necessarily been the priority publicly for quite some time (maybe for individual troops it has). Hate the sin, love the sinner, right??? But that's an entirely different conversation.
 
I am educated on the matter. I have done plenty of research on it. "Transgender" is a mental disorder. You are either male of female. This is determined by your chromosomes and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change it. It is simple biology. Anyone who thinks that they are the opposite gender should be treated and helped, just like we should with any other mental illness. If you believe that you can change your gender, then it is you who needs to educate yourself, not me.

Just send all of those people to conversion therapy, so they can pray the gay away, or whatever perceived gender-based mental illness is afflicting them. :shaking:
 
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I guess I'm dense.

It went over my head.

If it is genius please explain. That southern fella has a way with words, I just don't get what being put down on this one. Pm me,if it detracts from the obvious or ruins it.

@WARRIORWELDING You sir are not dense. I get where @XJsavage is coming from although that is not how I interpreted the meme. As I read through this thread it seemed to be going down one path, then other points were brought in, then an exchange broke out that IMHO didn't have anything to do with the topic - however it was entertaining. To me, the meme resembled chaos - car on fire, grab a catcus...wtf? Kind of similar to what I saw happening in this thread.

As I only spent time in the Cub Scouts and Weblos, I feel I don't have enough knowledge to comment intelligently with respect to BSA.
 
I'm a little late to this thread (maybe that's a good thing???), but I will comment on a few things based solely on my experience with Boy Scouts and personal observations over the years (Eagle Scout, 2003; Asst scout master for 2-3 years following; many camping/backpacking/hiking/summer camp trips during those years).

- The feasibility of any youth co-ed trip in the outdoors (i.e. no gender specific toilets and showers) seems implausible at best. Little girls and little boys peeing/squatting in the woods on the same trip with opposite genders constantly present seems like a poor idea. Also to consider, 10yo little Joey walking up on trip leader Jane squattin in the woods, doesn't foster a positive situation. I can think of many trips I took with other scouts that we either didn't have leaders immediately present (i.e. "wilderness survival" training where several scouts hiked into the backwoods away from the group to sleep under a tree and fend for themselves for the night), or, leaders were not in the vicinity and didn't have a clue what might have/could have been going on for sometimes hours on end. With horny 13yo boys running around on a camping trip with girls they have a crush on, seems to create the perfect environment for all kinds of sexual promiscuity. My experience in scouting, and the opinion of others in my troop, was that anytime a female chaperone was around, it was "weird". It felt odd having a woman authority figure in the context of boy scouts. Was that sexist? I dunno, maybe. Certainly times have changed, but if I wasn't the only one that felt that way, was the entire majority in the wrong? You decide.

With that said, I have participated on a few co-ed backpacking and camping trips that did not have facilities, and it went without issue, but the groups were very small, very tight knit and were very well supervised, constantly. There would be no practical way (that I observe) of this happening based on my scouting experience. To each, their own.

- Some have mentioned financial hardships for BSA. I would agree their operating budget has probably declined in recent years. Is it due to declining involvement and membership? Very possibly. But I know that for many troops that are chartered by a church or religious entity, costs are subsidized by the charter, and as BSA has moved away from its founding "religious" tenets, they have lost those charters, thus losing some of that subsidy. I also think BSA would benefit from revisiting their popcorn fundraisers (which is mandated by many troops). I mean, who doesn't love buying overpriced, disgusting popcorn?? (\sarcasm) I remember when my troop was forced to move from selling citrus, hams and turkeys around the holidays to "boy scout popcorn". Our fundraising plummeted. I hated selling the popcorn. People actually wanted to buy the citrus and hams, instead of making a pity donation in return for some awful scout popcorn.

- To close this, at this time in life, I don't have a dog in the fight. I grew up through scouting but don't participate or donate any longer. My kids (girl and boy) are too young to participate. However, based on decisions from BSA in recent years and how they choose to operate their organization, I do not see myself or my kids participating in the future. As I told my father-in-law recently (when this unfolded), I will pass on my knowledge and experience in all-things-scouting to my kids, but perhaps without "help" from BSA (camping, hiking, shooting, fishing, citizenship, leadership, tree identification, etc). Scouting introduces some very valuable lessons, experiences and requirements for youth as they grow and mature, but as I have observed, I feel that some of it has been watered down in recent years.

My $0.02.
 
I'm a little late to this thread (maybe that's a good thing???), but I will comment on a few things based solely on my experience with Boy Scouts and personal observations over the years (Eagle Scout, 2003; Asst scout master for 2-3 years following; many camping/backpacking/hiking/summer camp trips during those years).

- The feasibility of any youth co-ed trip in the outdoors (i.e. no gender specific toilets and showers) seems implausible at best. Little girls and little boys peeing/squatting in the woods on the same trip with opposite genders constantly present seems like a poor idea. Also to consider, 10yo little Joey walking up on trip leader Jane squattin in the woods, doesn't foster a positive situation. I can think of many trips I took with other scouts that we either didn't have leaders immediately present (i.e. "wilderness survival" training where several scouts hiked into the backwoods away from the group to sleep under a tree and fend for themselves for the night), or, leaders were not in the vicinity and didn't have a clue what might have/could have been going on for sometimes hours on end. With horny 13yo boys running around on a camping trip with girls they have a crush on, seems to create the perfect environment for all kinds of sexual promiscuity. My experience in scouting, and the opinion of others in my troop, was that anytime a female chaperone was around, it was "weird". It felt odd having a woman authority figure in the context of boy scouts. Was that sexist? I dunno, maybe. Certainly times have changed, but if I wasn't the only one that felt that way, was the entire majority in the wrong? You decide.
... and yet, Venture Scouts has been doing exactly this for many years.

And so has Scouts in Australia, Canada, England...
 
@WARRIORWELDING You sir are not dense. I get where @XJsavage is coming from although that is not how I interpreted the meme. As I read through this thread it seemed to be going down one path, then other points were brought in, then an exchange broke out that IMHO didn't have anything to do with the topic - however it was entertaining. To me, the meme resembled chaos - car on fire, grab a catcus...wtf? Kind of similar to what I saw happening in this thread.

As I only spent time in the Cub Scouts and Weblos, I feel I don't have enough knowledge to comment intelligently with respect to BSA.
This is where my head went.....and the discussion as a whole was what I was in it for....not to defeat or best another into my way of thinking....and @XJsavage keep doing you. Worlds need more genuine people. Your sir are unique

I have to add an edit.....yes I have to be honest. Little chapped about the loss of the original identity and purist pursuit. But that's me. I quit very well paying jobs with boss man status for such purist intentions. Different topics though. Nothing new for me. Stuborn fuddy duddy I reckon.
 
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Nobody, especially single parents, has time for working with two different organizations on different nights, weekends, etc.

Spoken like somebody whose kids don't play soccer.
 
Over the years, I got roped into a few Girl Scout trips. I had a CDL, and was needed as the/a bus driver. Best trip was 2 weeks out west.

Biggest difference I saw between boys and girls that age group when on a trip: With the Boy Scouts, if they got into a disagreement/huff/quarrel/etc, just wait an hour, and the ones involved would be best friends again. The girls....well, just say it carried a few days, at best.
 
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