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DSM Turbos said:
Notaries for vehicle titles actually only have to witness the seller signature. I know several notaries that can confirm that.
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Read the back of your title.
 
I'm sure I'll be singled out as well for this but I'm kinda disgusted now with this site and smell a nonsense lynching! So he liked to share his unique views and had plenty of envious haters for it. If we were all the same it would be a boring place!

There's only 8 states that require this. And being the ONLY state in the entire south to require a notary.

So glad I have a plan to escape this over governed state...

Guess rules are rules? I'll be next for just posting to admit I lifted my house without a permit.:shaking:
 
The Notary line is for the above not the below. Notary signature line are always below the person they are witnessing is what I am told by the notaries.

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Shawn and Cyd have to walk the straight and narrow when it comes to illegal activity. However insignificant this infraction appears (I mean who hasn't done something like this?) they gotta cover dey asses.
 
Unfortunately , ron is 100% right.

You are absolutely allowed to hold a signed amd notorized title open.

Notarys do not require to see the second person sign. You can walk into any dmv alone with an open notorized title and then fill it out in front of them.

Yall are only posting data for unsigned and not notorizedTitles

Damn i hate it when Ron is right.
 
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DSM Turbos said:
Notaries for vehicle titles actually only have to witness the seller signature. I know several notaries that can confirm that.
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That is the same thing the lady at the DMV told me. She said she only needs to see the seller sign for her to notarize it.
 
I'm married to a "by the book" notary. I just asked her about this and she communicated that LEGALLY, both parties are to be present in front of the notary regardless. Sure people do and have done it other ways, but that doesn't mean it's legal.
 
Jody Treadway said:
I'm married to a "by the book" notary. I just asked her about this and she communicated that LEGALLY, both parties are to be present in front of the notary regardless. Sure people do and have done it other ways, but that doesn't mean it's legal.
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My ex wife also was a completely by the book notary and wouldn't ever risk her stamp because of who she works for. She asked that specific question in class because I wanted to know and they have repeatedly told her that only the seller is who is being notarized. Plus the DMV has confirmed it before also, so I trust them over anybody else, it is their form.

But who really freaking knows. The DMV in NC sucks, at least we can all agree on that!
 
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Jody, the dmv says otherwise. Its their form. They are all strictly by the book notarys.

No notary is required on buyer, Just seller.

Buyer does not have to fill out anything.
 
Loganwayne said:
Ron is basing his argument that JF is a licensed business man paying taxes on all the work he does and everything is on the up and up....

I mean really do you think this is true after admitting to everything else. Im betting he files as unemployed and doesn't file any of the mechanic work he does.
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No, not JF.

@shawn insinuated a mutual friend who got into trouble for open titles.
That mutual friend was a license NC car dealer. He has different rules to play by. In the eyes of the law he is a big, slick professional just looking to take advantage of all the little peons.
To combine threads, a licensed real estate agent can't do things in a real estate transaction that I can. Its why despite having multiple business dedicated to real estate investing neither I nor my wife are licensed agents.
Same deal with car dealers.

Now you want to open a can of worms?

In NC an auto manufacturer can't sell their vehicles direct to a consumer. Just extrapolate that one a bit...


BTW just got an email back from my attorney.
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e says this, "You get caught driving a vehicle with a title that the owner signed and you didnt, you may get charged with GTA you will not get charged with any count of forgery because, well you havent forged or deceived anything/anyone. Now the seller ...he may very well have some legal issues. Where a crime could happen is when you sell the vehicle to a 3rd party and never acquire title. But still that isn't forgery that is acting as a dealer or agent without a license. Remember every car salesman at a dealership in NC has to have a DMV seller registration and take a course and pay a fee."
 
rockcity said:
I'd bed a prosecutor would nail him either way.
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SO re read my initial statement.
I agree he'd get charged just not with the statute Cyd linked to.
 
What the fuck is wrong with you guys that you just skip over the VERY FIRST FUCKING LINE where it says "I the undersigned am assigning the title to this guy at this address."

Ron's forgetting a few other folks that have gotten in trouble for this.
 
Ron said:
No, not JF.

@shawn insinuated a mutual friend who got into trouble for open titles.
That mutual friend was a license NC car dealer. He has different rules to play by. In the eyes of the law he is a big, slick professional just looking to take advantage of all the little peons.
To combine threads, a licensed real estate agent can't do things in a real estate transaction that I can. Its why despite having multiple business dedicated to real estate investing neither I nor my wife are licensed agents.
Same deal with car dealers.

Now you want to open a can of worms?

In NC an auto manufacturer can't sell their vehicles direct to a consumer. Just extrapolate that one a bit...


BTW just got an email back from my attorney.
H
e says this, "You get caught driving a vehicle with a title that the owner signed and you didnt, you may get charged with GTA you will not get charged with any count of forgery because, well you havent forged or deceived anything/anyone. Now the seller ...he may very well have some legal issues. Where a crime could happen is when you sell the vehicle to a 3rd party and never acquire title. But still that isn't forgery that is acting as a dealer or agent without a license. Remember every car salesman at a dealership in NC has to have a DMV seller registration and take a course and pay a fee."
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Right.
so in summary:
It is not illegal or against any rules per se to have a seller (Persona A) sign and notarize a title, and somebody else (person B) walks way with it with leaving the Buyer's side blank. This just creates a dangerous scenario (like running with scissors).

The crime comes in when somebody ELSE then sells the car. When Person B sells the car to Person C. It is not Person B's signature as the SELLER, it is Person A's.
The only people who can do this are licensed dealers, and they use a different part anyway.

/end of story.
 
RatLabGuy said:
The crime comes in when somebody ELSE then sells the car. When Person B sells the car to Person C. It is not Person B's signature as the SELLER, it is Person A's.
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Is there a word for that? Something like falsifying assignment of the title?

NCGS Chapter 20 said:
In order to assign or transfer title or interest in any motor vehicle registered under the provisions of this Article, the owner shall execute in the presence of a person authorized to administer oaths an assignment and warranty of title on the reverse of the certificate of title in form approved by the Division, including in such assignment the name and address of the transferee; and no title to any motor vehicle shall pass or vest until such assignment is executed and the motor vehicle delivered to the transferee.
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Fuller was keeping the titles open in order to skirt state law on dealer licensure requirements.
 
doc said:
Envious? Not an attack, just curious...
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Doc, after my parents divorced when I was just 5 years old I was forced to live with my mom while my dad lived somewhere different every week going from state to state working shutdowns. We moved twice a year from eviction to eviction with empty promises in between. I attended 14 schools before managing a diploma. I had no time in life to have "friends". So with that along with being the only blonde headed boy in Eastern Tennessee, I grew up the "Fuller". I've had my face dragged on asphalt, My ear re-sewed back on, My nose broke many times and who knows what all just defending myself from people who thought of me as "different" and didn't belong. I stuck out in the crowd cause I was different. And every bully of every town used that as an excuse to throw my homework out the bus windows (yes I was forced to ride til I graduated), single me out to be forced to fight, and beat the snot out of me cause I was skinny as a rail with absolutely no back up.

My views don't align with most since then and I'm thick skulled. But I tend to look through the lines at the background to see a person as a human-being and not just someone who I dis-agree with before judging character. I'm self made. Even my mom and dad has turned on me cause I have my own views and stick to them if I truely feel I'm right. I still love them cause they are my parents but they too are no different than a bully to me.

But Doc, I also accept when I'm proven wrong for it's always a learning experience. And having no mentors growing up, that happens quite often and especially on this site. But I don't hold grudges for they are doing me a favor by taking their time out of their lives to try to teach me something.

Although I didn't go back and read everything JF ever posted, I reread the entire thread and I see nothing but bullying going on. JF being singled out of the crowd. Sure he made mistakes. I too said a lot of stuff in the past that got me in trouble. And I paid for it dearly. But I'm a forgiver Doc. And just maybe if I haven't had the crap dragged out of me, maybe I wouldn't have grown up and matured to make my own decisions and sacrifices to become my own man.

My parents had absolutely nothing to give me but a push out the door when I graduated high school. I worked for a living not cause I had to, but cause I like to eat. And if it wasn't for a stroke of tremendous luck and given a chance I would not be here typing today. It was that one single guidance counselor that came up to me and asked why I was walking the halls that day lost not knowing what in the world I was going to do in my life besides work at every restaurant. She took my hand and helped me apply for a Pell Grant to get me a 2 year degree. Not cause my mom would help me...

My belief is that bullies are only "envious" of the person they are trying to make "less" than them by singling them out as "different". The term "envious" is automatically associated for me for some reason???

And Fuller was booted cause he was singled out. Not cause he did anything wrong. I've registered over 40 titles in the past 15 years and forget to sign myself sometimes til I get in there. And according to my sister-in-law notary the same stands...

I'm voicing my opinion that I would stand to give the dude a chance. But I'm nobody here but a paying member...

shawn said:
Fuller was keeping the titles open in order to skirt state law on dealer licensure requirements.
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Did he state that directly Shawn?:shaking:

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Shawn
Fuller never legally owner those vehicles. Only the owner can assign the title so the owner is the one who is fraudulent on your first part.

Re-read your last quote the seller is the one who fails to comply not the buyer. Legally speaking JF never owned any of those vehicles.
 
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