Busted on the powerline "trails"

Rich

Rich

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On my way home, just off US-1 on New Hill Rd., saw a Sheriff's car parked with the lights on.. no car in front.. but as I passed, there was a red YJ, basically stock, down on the powerline "trail" below... Buuuuusted. :fuck-you:
 
Good! throw the book at him:lol: A%&holes like that give alot of folks a bad rap that respect the laws of 4 wheelin:driver:
 
No one really bothers us around here for that type of thing.
 
I see this on here a lot.. BUT, most "utility easements" are on private property. So, if you had permission from the property owner why is it not legal to ride there? Or, if it's on your land it's yours right? I mean you're paying property taxes on it..... OR am I wrong?

My understanding is the utility company was given written premission to use the land not actually given the land. They also are required to maintain it and, you as property owner can use it as long as you dont interfer with the utilitie's use of the easement...
 
uncc civilengineer said:
I see this on here a lot.. BUT, most "utility easements" are on private property. So, if you had permission from the property owner why is it not legal to ride there? Or, if it's on your land it's yours right? I mean you're paying property taxes on it..... OR am I wrong?
My understanding is the utility company was given written premission to use the land not actually given the land. They also are required to maintain it and, you as property owner can use it as long as you dont interfer with the utilitie's use of the easement...
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your spot on.
My grandad has one hell of a "powerline trail" on his property, We have deer stands under the lines etc. The only utility requirement is maintenance access and an understanding that ANYTHING planted under the lines will be sprayed and killed.

All that said all too often people assume the opposite. It has power lines no one owns it and they trespass.

The dude I bought my project jeep from, back in February said "Yeah we dont wheel as uch as we used to, cuz last 2 times we went down on the lines someone shot at us":shaking:

How bad do you have to want to wheel to be shot at TWICE???

Not to mention dude was maybe 30 minutes from uwharrie
 
Yeah, I've eyed that spot more than once myself.

I would never run it but I can't help thinking it looks like fun.

Tons of mud and I like mud :flipoff2:
 
uncc civilengineer said:
I see this on here a lot.. BUT, most "utility easements" are on private property. So, if you had permission from the property owner why is it not legal to ride there? Or, if it's on your land it's yours right? I mean you're paying property taxes on it..... OR am I wrong?
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which is very different from wheeling it with "nobody bothering us"...


Greg
 
bigwaylon said:
which is very different from wheeling it with "nobody bothering us"...
Greg
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Dude why are you on my chit? I just signed-up here yesterday. That is 2 posts that you quoted me. Nice warm welcome. :rolleyes:
I can really only speak for myself when I say that I am respectful when I go somewhere to wheel, and do not try to spin mud holes, and tear-up stuff.
Yes, no-one bothers me when I take my son wheeling at various places around here. I go places that have been wheeled for years, and there are jerks that try to ruin it for everyone else anywhere. My son and I often take the time to pick up trash and beer cans especially when there are others around.
No body bothers us because we show respect I suppose, or maybe it is just different here.
 
XJ Rob said:
Dude why are you on my chit? I just signed-up here yesterday. That is 2 posts that you quoted me. Nice warm welcome. :rolleyes:
I can really only speak for myself when I say that I am respectful when I go somewhere to wheel, and do not try to spin mud holes, and tear-up stuff.
Yes, no-one bothers me when I take my son wheeling at various places around here. I go places that have been wheeled for years, and there are jerks that try to ruin it for everyone else anywhere. My son and I often take the time to pick up trash and beer cans especially when there are others around.
No body bothers us because we show respect I suppose, or maybe it is just different here.
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Just because you clean up the glass after a break in you still broke in... same cenario. Its ILLEGAL to wheel if you dont have written permission. Especially taking your son along, if he grows up thinking its ok to do illegal things as long as your are "respectful" what are you gonna say when he is speeding and gets a ticket? Your gonna be pissed but he is gonna tell you he stopped to pick up some trash on the side of the road so its ok. Good luck with that lesson.:beer:

Welcome to the forum though, you can learn a lot here, just recognize that wheeling illegally, no matter how respectfully you do it, is still illegal.
 
Hey man, everybody on this board simply wants you to not go wheeling where its illegal and give more ammo for all of those who want to snuff out our hobby all together. No ones trying to be dicks, we just don't want you to get in trouble/break the law. And just because you clean up and are respectful doesnt make it any less legal and won't make someone who wants to use illegal wheeling as ammo to try and kill all of the legal places we alread have change there mind. Other then that, welcome to the board
 
I can really only speak for myself when I say that I am respectful when I go somewhere to wheel, and do not try to spin mud holes, and tear-up stuff.
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i don't give a damn how respectful you are. if you come driving on my property without asking, we have a problem. i'm sure you would feel the same way if someone were to come cruising across your yard whenever they pleased.
 
A) I hope the YJ learned his lession

B) if you want to go wheeling legal hook up with someone that has land. written permisson would be best

C) Yes these guys may seem like A*holes on this subject, but they are not. They have good reasons for jumping on you, and anyone esle who screws things up for us.
 
You'll learn very quickly on this board that people do not tolerate illegal wheeling, and for good reason.
 
uncc civilengineer said:
My understanding is the utility company was given written premission to use the land not actually given the land. They also are required to maintain it and, you as property owner can use it as long as you dont interfer with the utilitie's use of the easement...
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From what I understand about easements, its not actually a written permisson form, its actually down in the deed for the building (not a seperate form)

So if a person was to buy the house, the utility company wouldnt have to ask the new owner permission to use his land, its already in the deed. I believe its called an easement appurtenant.

Theres also a prescriptive easement, which basically states that if you have been using something (such as a powerline trail on another person's property) for a certian amount of time its legal (between 5 and 30 years)

So basically, if you have been using the trail for 5-30 years without anyone saying anything (depending on the state) and someone comes out and says something about it 5-30 years later, theres not much they really can do...

EDIT**

I should say, for a prescriptive easement to be legally binding, other people have to know about it (it has to be deemed a notorious activity)

Theres another form of easement, called an adverse easement, that is just exclusive use by yourself.
 
yes and prescriptive easments have to have a purpose and you have to show harm, financial or otherwise, would come from you losing said access.

You cant just say we have been coming down here wheeling for years its all good.

Now if you own land on the back side and say we have been using this right of way as our access point for years, you have a different argument.
 
Just a question but what does some idiot trespassing on another person's property have to do with whether or not they close places like URE, or even access to water, like Carolina Beach? The reason I'm asking is that I am curious about the process of law making in these situations. Logically, there would be more legal places provided for wheeling if there was an increased occurance in illegal wheeling. Whats the deal?
 
vw181man said:
Just a question but what does some idiot trespassing on another person's property have to do with whether or not they close places like URE, or even access to water, like Carolina Beach? The reason I'm asking is that I am curious about the process of law making in these situations. Logically, there would be more legal places provided for wheeling if there was an increased occurance in illegal wheeling. Whats the deal?
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No, the ignorance and lack of respect shown by the trespassers gives reason to anti-offroaders for closures of legal places. If you don't respect the law enough to not trespass, you don't respect the legal ones enough to keep it clean (trash) and stay on designated trails. Unfortunately, its a very good reason for them as most people do take responsibility while in legal areas. Its a small few who screw it up for everyone else. SB
 
vw181man said:
Just a question but what does some idiot trespassing on another person's property have to do with whether or not they close places like URE, or even access to water, like Carolina Beach? The reason I'm asking is that I am curious about the process of law making in these situations. Logically, there would be more legal places provided for wheeling if there was an increased occurance in illegal wheeling. Whats the deal?
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If that was the way the law worked, there would have been a LOT more skate parks when I was growing up. However, the legislature does not abide by the laws of logic.

OT: If you have a Thing, as your name suggests, I wanna see pics! :bounce:
 
Newbie said:
No, the ignorance and lack of respect shown by the trespassers gives reason to anti-offroaders for closures of legal places. If you don't respect the law enough to not trespass, you don't respect the legal ones enough to keep it clean (trash) and stay on designated trails. Unfortunately, its a very good reason for them as most people do take responsibility while in legal areas. Its a small few who screw it up for everyone else. SB
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What reasons to they use to close these places? Are there any examples? Again not advocating tresspassing just curious. And another point, there is no correlation between tresspassing and littering. So it appeard there (anti-offroad segment) arguments are unsubstantiated.
 
Ok, point take on the "Illegal wheeling" subject. Maybe I left out a few things that are important.
First of all, I am here to meet like minded people that like the same things that I do, and to learn anything that I can. I am not calling names to anyone as some of the reply's implied.
The place here in Dunn I am talking about has been used by the public for more that 20 years to wheel. It does have some powerlines, and no-one bnothers anyone that goes there unless someone goes through the surrounding fields.
Not long ago I was very much into atv's and was riding everyweekend and then some, and I feel the same way about privaledges being taken away as you folks do.
This all started by me simply posting that "no one bothers us for that kind of stuff around here" I know that it is hard to read intentional attitude over the net, but I was not being a smart @** in my original post.
People can make light of the fact that I care enough to clean up the beer cans and bottles, but you would just have to know the place to understand. People used to go there and dump trash, and smoke crack and such. We hardly ever see those things since people started wheeling there again.
I am not riding in someones front lawn as one reply implied, and I would have a problem with that too. I didn't post anything about destroying anyones flowerbed, dumping my oil on the trail, or how many trees I can mow down. (I have actually read these type of things on other forums)
Yes I take my son with me almost everywhere, he is my best friend, and I do not see how that makes anything worse, as was riding there as a kid.
Thanx for taking our sport seriously as do I.

I think I am going to go hit some hills and take in some trails now.
 
catfishblues said:
If that was the way the law worked, there would have been a LOT more skate parks when I was growing up. However, the legislature does not abide by the laws of logic.
OT: If you have a Thing, as your name suggests, I wanna see pics! :bounce:
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I used to own a '74 thing back in high school: Pumpkin red, roll bar, lugage rack on hood, grille guard, ect... Got all my stuff from the thing shop in AZ. Sold it to pay for college :shaking: Loved that car, perfect condition. Would tarvel at the break-neck speed of 60mph with a tail wind:wheel: But I digress; vw181man has been an email account I use for non-professional purposes
 
XJ Rob said:
Dude why are you on my chit? I just signed-up here yesterday. That is 2 posts that you quoted me. Nice warm welcome. :rolleyes:
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oh...I'm sorry...WELCOME!!! :D

(although, I'm still looking for the second post of yours that I quoted :confused: )

don't take it personal...I just don't want to drive any further than I currently do to wheel...

Greg
 
XJ Rob said:
The place here in Dunn I am talking about has been used by the public for more that 20 years to wheel. It does have some powerlines, and no-one bnothers anyone that goes there unless someone goes through the surrounding fields.
Not long ago
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Well Im not sure what the Statute of Limitations is on Tresspassing for NC, but I think its a safe bet that your legal to wheel there...
 
vw181man said:
Just a question but what does some idiot trespassing on another person's property have to do with whether or not they close places like URE, or even access to water, like Carolina Beach? The reason I'm asking is that I am curious about the process of law making in these situations. Logically, there would be more legal places provided for wheeling if there was an increased occurance in illegal wheeling. Whats the deal?
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The "enemy" or "greenies" look for every opportunity to paint us all with a broad brush as ecologically insensitive, environmentally destructive and law disregarding.

Giving them even 1 instance to hold up as an example of irresponsible behavior harms us all.

Not to mention what many refer to as last resort degradation. I'll explain. Lets say a movement ever gets far enough along to get put to a referendum. Now Johnny Common drives a Camry, takes the kids to soccer, and enjoys an exhilarating evening at the art gallery. Now ordinarily he couldn't give 2 shits about 4wheelers and may be totally undecided on his vote. BUT if a few years back some Yahoo destroyed his/his family/some friends land illegally wheeling, that is the first thought that comes to mind. Hence he is a vote lost.

Set a GOOD example. Be a steward of the land. Clean up trails. And never pass up an opportunity for positive publicity. For, If we do not WORK to protect what we have we will FIGHT to get what we lost.
 
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