Callalantee Fees

[Black Bear]

If you think this is too much then dont go to Gulches, Winrock, Rausch Creek, or the WV anual childrens charity event (pass fee's were $60 last time i was there).


Just think, your saving money by wheeling at mnt cty and not those other places.

 

[cj5on42s]

$15 per vehicle per day add a reasonable yearly permit and your done sit back and watch it take off

 

[retroedaddy]

The fee should be a reasonable flat fee per vehicle, irrelevant of passenger #
My Vote. 15$ and no passenger fees.
Neeta, rope them in and it will grow. Yearly membership offers at a grand opening and I will be first in line if it's reasonable.

$15 per vehicle per day add a reasonable yearly permit and your done sit back and watch it take off

I feel like these are both pretty reasonable suggestions.I wouldn't mind paying a little more to help keep the place open and see improvements,or maybe have regular work days where the 4X4 Community comes to help out with maintenance/cleaning.I vote with the "Let's see what Happens over the Winter with the passenger fee Crowd".
Seems like a really fun place to wheel.

 

[91oneton]

this again.... really

 

[Turtle Mechanic]

I didn't vote because no wait til spring option.I do like the yearly pass idea.
On a side note:I saw the 2010 tax papers on the 5500+ acres,wow,even with an obvious break since its not developed.I don't make enuf a year to pay the taxes,not to mention electric,water and any kinda paycheck .eye opener.
I also don't think $15 a day is unreasonable.and one adult friend passenger riding for $11
Has been cool for folks riding with me.
On the other hand I do understand that baby sitting with 3 under 10yr kids,that's a lot of money added up,quick.so maybe (depends on insurance policy writting)that under 10 or 12 or whatever should be more resonable maybe$5 if that
Makes ins. Company happy.
I know I would charge same price for 12 and up knowing they could be driving on the mountain,I was driving offroad at the age of 12 and personally I think that has made me a better driver all these years.I would also encourage that to happen,if I owned the place.
And lastley thankyou for making this thread,it puts everones comments in one spot regarding $$.
We can now have a seperate thread for improvements.
Thankyou Len.
C-ya'll on the trails

 

[uncc civilengineer]

...On a side note:I saw the 2010 tax papers on the 5500+ acres,wow,even with an obvious break since its not developed.I don't make enuf a year to pay the taxes,not to mention electric,water and any kinda paycheck .eye opener.
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That's nice and all but I dont feel sorry for someone who owns over 12 properties in Johnson County alone and has a $50,000 tax bill on 5,300 acres... I honestly wish I had that problem...

Oh, and I voted for straight up flat fee.... just make it a common sum of money... $10, $15, etc... not $13.50 or something...

 

[Ron]

You know even though this topic is horse puree at this point a few points here struck a nerve with me.
- Any fee charged is a "fair" fee. The people who say I think $X is fair..irritate me. It is HER PROPERTY. If she wants to charge $250 per person per hour, that is totally fair. This is an optional service you choose to buy or not...if she was the only water supply or food supply in a 50 mile radius I could see where "fair" entered into the equation. Look there are 2 options go or don...but please dont bitch.
- The thought that we are going to compile all the thoughts here are laughable. I'd wager that about 20% of their customer base has EVER ben on this website and half of those MAYBE will read this thread.
- I dont think a $5 to $25 fee would change business more than 2% at most. Those of us with the addiction will be there regardless the cost, and plenty others here wont be there regdlshow cheap it is.

 

[McCracken]

You know even though this topic is horse puree at this point a few points here struck a nerve with me.
- Any fee charged is a "fair" fee. The people who say I think $X is fair..irritate me. It is HER PROPERTY. If she wants to charge $250 per person per hour, that is totally fair. This is an optional service you choose to buy or not...if she was the only water supply or food supply in a 50 mile radius I could see where "fair" entered into the equation. Look there are 2 options go or don...but please dont bitch.
- The thought that we are going to compile all the thoughts here are laughable. I'd wager that about 20% of their customer base has EVER ben on this website and half of those MAYBE will read this thread.
- I dont think a $5 to $25 fee would change business more than 2% at most. Those of us with the addiction will be there regardless the cost, and plenty others here wont be there regdlshow cheap it is.

do you sound this dumb in real life?

 

[UNBREAKABLE]

FUCKING QUIT BITCHING ALREADY!

 

[Ron]

do you sound this dumb in real life?

Right because you so eloquently squashed my arguments. No you just attacked the messenger. Let me guess, you like "change" right?

Come to think of it you do want to dictate what a reasonable amount of profit a business owner can make is, you want to vote on and spak as a whole as opposed to actually you know having an opinion, and yet you rebut none of the opposing arguments....yep wreaks of liberals to me...

 

[RHSCTJ]

well said ron

 

[McCracken]

Right because you so eloquently squashed my arguments. No you just attacked the messenger. Let me guess, you like "change" right?
Come to think of it you do want to dictate what a reasonable amount of profit a business owner can make is, you want to vote on and spak as a whole as opposed to actually you know having an opinion, and yet you rebut none of the opposing arguments....yep wreaks of liberals to me...

liberal yep you nailed it. you're right though, I can't tell a business how much to make but I can tell them what I want. let me guess, when you step into your drivers meeting you don't listen to a single word any of them have to say. you just move along and say, "tough luck". I'm sure you've never addressed any rule changes due to complaints. right? sounds like it to me.

a business is run to provide a service to customers and to gain a profit. don't listen to what your customers want and you have no customers. it's dumb to think you can just charge whatever because you think it's fair. that doesn't mean it is. that's why you get feedback so you can find a happy medium and build relationships to maintain a loyalty. just like I told the other guy, look at the poll. 53 people think it's too high. 7 of you don't. We're not sheeple but it looks like you want us to join your flock to do just that.

 

[Tacoma747]

I am kind of on both sides. Sure I want a cheaper price, but THEY can charge whatever they want, it is THEIR business. If you think it's too expensive, don't go. I'll continue to go, maybe not as often, but it's not going to keep me from going because of an extra $15. Basically, you can't tell a person how to run THEIR business. If they want to charge a set price, then the only way you can "show" them you think it is too expensive is to not go.

I used to pay $11 every few weeks for a haircut, for about 2.5 years now my wife just cuts it with trimmers because it's not worth $11 to me for a haircut (and I think they have raised prices since).

 

[rockcity]

do you sound this dumb in real life?

yeah, he pretty much sounds like that everyday. But, I wouldn't call it dumb by any means...


During our tenure with ECORS, we've learned that people will bitch and complain no matter what. We do take suggestions. Actually, that is part of our business model is that we are a racer's series. Our racers, believe it or not, have a huge role in shaping the rules. The fee structure, well, that has to make sense for the business. We will be modifying that as well so it makes sense for ECORS. Yes, we do consider the racer's comments when deciding the fees, but ultimately it has to work for our business regardless of what the racer's opinions are. We could make the entry fee $25 and we'd have a ton of people out there racing. But, we choose not to so we limit the racers yet keep us operational. Remember, prices, attendance, and profit is not linear. Neeta being the business-woman she is, may have found that magic number at the top of the curve that maximizes profits even if business is lost. Good for her! I'll still continue to go back. Actually, I would prob go back more often in support of good business practices since so many of the parks are cash operations and are quick to sell out or close often. If higher costs helps her business and allows us to have a quality place to ride that will be there for years, I'm all for it and will support it as much as I can!

If Callalantee continued to operate like it had for much longer, IMO, it would have closed for good. So, raise fees and keep it open or close it all together, pick one...

 

[GubNi]

Good map, someone that cares, and signs would have doubled the business volume at the old prices. With more volume of riders you also get more people eating at the deli and more campers. It would have still been a win. I'm just glad Harlan is only 30 minutes farther.

 

[shawn]

just like I told the other guy, look at the poll. 53 people think it's too high. 7 of you don't.

You need to read the options again and then look at the tally.

Only 29 people as of this posting say that the fees should be lowered. The option to "charge a flat fee per vehicle" doesn't say anything about what that fee would be. Based on other similar parks in the area, $60/vehicle/day wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

And that's regardless of the number of passengers, so for all we know, it would be more $$ per day depending on your individual circumstances.

 

[shawn]

That's nice and all but I dont feel sorry for someone who owns over 12 properties in Johnson County alone and has a $50,000 tax bill on 5,300 acres... I honestly wish I had that problem...

That's some straight-up Marxist class warfare shit right there.

You do realize that the tax bill... whatever it is... figures into what they need to charge in order to keep the doors open, right? Because otherwise they might as well start logging the place and putting in some subdivisions.

 

[sleepinc]

That's nice and all but I dont feel sorry for someone who owns over 12 properties in Johnson County alone and has a $50,000 tax bill on 5,300 acres... I honestly wish I had that problem...
Oh, and I voted for straight up flat fee.... just make it a common sum of money... $10, $15, etc... not $13.50 or something...

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!!! If it wasn't for people that have money to buy land for your ass and the rest of us to ride on, you would not have anywhere to go and ride. Think about it. THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Paul]

That's some straight-up Marxist class warfare shit right there.
You do realize that the tax bill... whatever it is... figures into what they need to charge in order to keep the doors open, right? Because otherwise they might as well start logging the place and putting in some subdivisions.

Well said there dude.

 

[uncc civilengineer]

LOL.. this thread and whole issue has became pathetic... I do not care what their tax bill is... I was simply stating it's a problem I wish I had... I could care less what they charge..

HOWEVER, if you honestly think they're doing us a FAVOR and not logging or developing that forest your crazy... IF there was money to be made there through either, it would be gone..

 

[J.C.]

IF there was money to be made there through either, it would be gone..

Yep!

 

[upnover]

I am OK with how they have the fee's set up. I do like wheeling there, and will still. I don't think that once a yearly pass (if it is) presented, that many of you will like it. I doubt very seriously that it would be less than $200
Something I have been thinking in the way of fee's is this.
I think that if you go up and camp, hit the trails for a day, then maybe discounting the fee's for the second and third day. And when you camp for say three days or maybe even two, then some discount for that. Maybe when you go in and pay, you are given a coupon for a future visit, or a coupon for the deli, many angles to look at it, all in the effort for the park to make more money
Now I know Callalantee is no where as large as Black Mnt OHV, (Harlan) but in trail fee's last year, they grossed $189,000.00
Something to think about

 

[McCracken]

You need to read the options again and then look at the tally.
Only 29 people as of this posting say that the fees should be lowered. The option to "charge a flat fee per vehicle" doesn't say anything about what that fee would be. Based on other similar parks in the area, $60/vehicle/day wouldn't be out of the ordinary.
And that's regardless of the number of passengers, so for all we know, it would be more $$ per day depending on your individual circumstances.

fees are fees. flat rates are better than per person unless it goes into $25+ category and we're right back to square one.

 

[twistedone]

WOW! What abunch of fukin pussies! If your bitch ass can't afford and extra 10-20$ stay the fuk home bitches. Or just go to fukn uwharrie . Stop trying to ruin it for the rest of us who can make it out there . It's their land , they can do whatever the fuk they want . All you people who bitch about the way they run their land are the ones who are going to male it such a hassle That they might close it. If your pussy hurts over the fees DONT GO !!

 

[shawn]

fees are fees. flat rates are better than per person unless it goes into $25+ category and we're right back to square one.

How do you figure?

We're right back to you presenting what you're willing to pay as though it's some kind of consensus about what's "fair".

Again, judging by what THE OTHER PRIVATELY-OWNED PARKS charge, a per-vehicle rate would be $35-50/day.