Clayton UCA question

smith92rc said:
So to get my pinion angle right I guess I take the upper control arms loose jack up pinion height to where I need it then adjust control arms to the length that I need and put them back in is the best way right
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Yeah. Or you could have just had it set where you wanted it when you installed it. Thats what I did. I like having only one spare joint and I like not worrying about the jam nuts coming loose and screwing up the angles. I know it's really tough to crawl under a dirty jeep and take two bolts loose. Not to mention using a jack! Ffs
 
Clayton offers several different options, some have dual JJ, some have bushings. So you can get them either way. I've been running Clayton stuff for at least 4 years with no complaints.

Price building your own control arms and then decide if their price is worth it. Also consider their lifetime warranty on all of their control arms.

I've warrantied all 4 lowers and 1 upper that were bent, no questions asked.
 
400 for a pair of square tube control arms is steep. The joints eat up half that cost which means they're asking 200 bucks for two feet of square tube with bungs welded in and paint.

I built my uppers out of aluminum and 7/8" heims for less than 200.

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Thanks to all who gave their input on this situation but I don't want it to turn into well he paid too much for this he paid too much for that..... we all have our reasoning for paying and buying what we buy but I was just looking for a little help and understanding.... I did not buy this lift kit and other components just for the rear arms there was other things that went into the equation but just trying to adjust the rear arms I was under the impression if they had both joints at each end then they could be adjusted on the vehicle and when it did not that's what led to this post..... so if that is not the case then that's my fault for my misunderstanding and I'll have to deal with that Within Me....thanks...
 
If you build a link that is adjustable on the vehicle with out removing then it can can unscrew itself and eventually fall out, more than likely it will just unscrew and will mess with the setting you were originally going for. Its not like your constantly dialing in pinion angle. So you set it once and then you don't have to mess with it, and you don't have to worry about it unscrewing itself. Dual threaded ends give you more flex and more adjust ability. I think if you asked clayton why it was not a left and right they would tell you its not a good idea which I agree with. They actually think about their designs and products from a performance and durability standpoint, not an ease of install exactly. Basically 80% of what they sell is weld on install, mainly b/c if your going to build something strong enough it really needs to be welded on to hold up. This is a short arm kit so much of the design element is limited but their long arm kit geometry and design I believe surpasses other kits on the market.

Square is stronger than round and as said all their stuff is lifetime warranty and square is their trademark. I personally believe they make the strongest suspensions on the market and they are not cheap but its what I have on my WJ b/c I wanted something to abuse that would hold up.

They saw our jeep out one time and he saw a bent link on my WJ. Sent me an email on monday asking if he could send me a new arm I never even spoke to them about it.

Now on the other hand we get Jeeps in here all the time with worn out joints, call X manufacture for a joint rebuild kit or new bushing. Answer: we don't support that anymore new control arms are X. But the kit is only 2 years old......... You get what you pay for. If clayton is overpriced Ill keep paying b/c every time I call them they know exactly what they sold how to fix it and have a good solution and a reason why they do things.

Whether or not they are too expensive is up to an individual purchaser but bashing a company like Clayton is ill form, they do alot for the offroad community, build nice products, and support what they sell, which I think says a lot compared to most of the other suspension manufacturers.
 
Update, I talked to clayton by email... he explained the arms to me and I was the one that misunderstood their function. We just finished up the rear the the adjustments and got it worked out... I got upset before I understood... I apologize... I went with clayton because I believe their excellent quality.. I will always use ECGS!!!! I have in the past....so the ones who are bashing clayton, please excuse yourself from this thread... it was my misunderstanding of how and why they were like that... I have talked to both companies and they cleared it up for me... thanks... cperry, thanks and I agree...sorry if I led anyone wong... I apologize again!!!!
 
shawn said:
Nice post, but I can't let this go.
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Beat me to it. Physics is funny like that it is kinda right/wrong.....


I'll say this, compared to a Rough Country or Rusty or other cheap supplier..I agree Clayton is a quality company. I think the point Shawn is making, and he certainly doesn't need me to speak for him, is for Clayton money you could have Andy @IronManAndy (Ironman Fab 4x4) build you a superior product and I guaran-damn-tee you he could provide support and technical expertise on his product.

And ya know he is local and does a damn lot for the industry. As well.
 
And when you tell Andy that you want a short arm with JJs on both ends, he'll tell you you're wasting your fucking money.
 
Physics is funny care to share. I don't think square links are far superior to round tubing and either can be used, and there is a point to be made weight VS. strength which is a much more complicated equation(Equal wall thickness and Equal OD square will weigh more) , however I believe if you keep weight and OD the same square is still stronger but I don't care to prove it. But when looking at moment of inertia comparing a 2 inch tube .250 wall vs a 2" round tube .250 wall- bending, permanent deformation, and tension strength square tube is stronger. This is b/c in the plane of maximum compression round tubing has less material then square. This is also why when you bend square it wants to deform where as round tube is easier to bend with out deforming. This really is not a deep debate unless I missed something of course I don't have an ME degree either so feel free.

As for Andy, used plenty of his stuff and have zero complaints, well made in the USA and definitely will go out of his way to help you. When I spoke of other suspension manufacturers I was talking about the bigger box store cheap BS on the market.
 
I must be getting old or something... don't have the patience or tenacity to argue about dumb shit.
 
if left and right thread is a bad idea. The why would it be used as tie rod? On damn near every vehicle on the road? They make all kinds of ways to keep threads locked..
 
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