Control your kids or get out!

Whenever I have kids they will be raised the same way as me and my brother.

Knowing that your parents love you to death, but if you act like a little shit, you'll probably get beat like a little shit. (not really that bad but spanking etc.)


No kids are prefect and no parents are either. Sometimes kids have a bad day, ok thats fine. Now go let them have their bad day were it isn't a huge annoyance to everyone else.
 
Ashley Heflin says, "I've never seen a restaurant say don't bring your screaming kids in here. You can't help if your kids scream."
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Hell yes you can. It took the first 5 years of getting popped in the head to realize I shouldn't do that.

Same as when I back my dad's brand new truck into the ditch when I was 4...couldn't sit down for a couple of days.

Now if a kid starts screaming out of the blue but they take em' outta there, then that is reasonable. I've seen that a lot.

Parenting aside, I'm glad that restaurant did that.
 
First off, I'll just say it only ever took one outburst from one of us kids to realize we were never gonna be an ass in public again. We received what my parents call 'beatings to remember'...which we also received for lying and stealing. It didn't matter where we were at, the grocery store, church, a restaurant, etc. My folks would walk us outside and we wouldn't be able to sit for a day or two. Call it abuse, call it what you want...but it took precisely one outburst to learn what would and wouldn't be tolerated and what would happen.

mmcj7 said:
After reading every post I think we have missed the point. Everyone has talked about what the do to control and discipline children. When the problem is not the kids its the parents.
My son has a friend that has came to our house since he was about 5 years old and he is 14 now. He gives his parents a hard time and acts out everywhere they take him but gets in the truck with me or comes to our house and he is a totally different kid. I have never disciplined him but he has seen me discipline my children and I coached him several years in elementary school football. I think we should give the kids a chance and throw the parents out or maybe take the leather to them. I saw a lady slap a small child in the mouth while she was acting up in a fast food joint and I wanted to do the samething to the lady. IMO to only do it in public is to little to late.
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Same thing at my house. We've always been a place that other parents have actually asked us to take their children in for a few weeks at a time, because they always behave with us. The reason that is...my folks won't take any shit, they show respect to the kid and are supportive of the kid. Then they get home, they no longer have that support, discipline or respect, so everything goes to hell again. We've got a boy right now, who got expelled from the RSS and is in an alternative school, he was actuall one of my little brother's friends a few years ago, and the kid is performing flawlessly right now. But I know when he goes back home, there will be no re-inforcement and everything will come unraveled.

Franklin said:
Every time you see an undisciplined child a shitty parent is responsible. Our kids, 5 & 11, know the look and that is all it takes. I have a friend that doesnt spank or discipline in the manner that we do. Their kid is a Grade A fucking brat throwing tantrums, crying when they dont get their way, you name it.
I am so glad my parents beat my ass when needed.
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Agreed 100%. The kid isn't the issue, the parent is. My parents always said 'show me a kid that doesn't get spanked, and I'll show you one that needs to be.'

RatLabGuy said:
Maybe we're just lucky, but I've never (yet) had to physically lay a hand on our child. I'd rather not and will hold out, but would if it comes down to it.
We've found that psychological punishment works waaay better anyway.
All it takes is for him think that we're disappointed or he is making us sad, or his actions are negatively impacting us, and he'll break down.
I think this is where alot of the "anti-violence" people go wrong, they don't realize that you can just as easily punish a child psychologically as physically. And that lasts longer. E.g. by removing something they love.
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You know...that'll work until he decides he doesn't give a shit what you say or how you feel, because his urge to do what he wants to do is greater than the urge to please you. And then that parenting style is rendered useless when he figures out or decides he can live without whatever you took away. Maybe you'll get lucky...but people have been doing without and haven't cared what people think about them since the beginning of time. It's been my experience that the parents that don't want to be 'violent' rarely change their parenting style, because as the parent you don't see the morph of a good kid to a brat. And if they can change their style, it's usually too little too late. To be quite honest, I've only ever been associated with one family that never hit their children, and the children turned out to be worth anything.
 
UTfball68 said:
You know...that'll work until he decides he doesn't give a shit what you say or how you feel, because his urge to do what he wants to do is greater than the urge to please you. And then that parenting style is rendered useless when he figures out or decides he can live without whatever you took away. Maybe you'll get lucky...but people have been doing without and haven't cared what people think about them since the beginning of time. It's been my experience that the parents that don't want to be 'violent' rarely change their parenting style, because as the parent you don't see the morph of a good kid to a brat. And if they can change their style, it's usually too little too late. To be quite honest, I've only ever been associated with one family that never hit their children, and the children turned out to be worth anything.
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My kids never gave a damn what we took away in the first place. We tried time out, taking things from them, nothing just seems to get through like a spanking, and they are still some thick-headed little kids.
 
JeepTruck said:
How you ever noticed that everyone thinks they are great parents and thier kids are good kids?
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haha, i thought the same thing reading this thread. but who's gonna admit "yeah my kid is that annoying little shit who pitches a fit in public when they are upset and im the parent who lets them get away with it"

i was a hard headed little terd when i was younger. no amount of "go to your room" "you cant watch tv for a week" "im taking away your legos" ever really had an affect on me. i got my ass whooped on a regular basis, and needed every one of them hell i should have had a few more for the things my parents never found out about.
 
Franklin said:
Every time you see an undisciplined child a shitty parent is responsible.
I am so glad my parents beat my ass when needed.
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X1000!!

Bri spent about 3 years as a "mentor" if you will, for children with behavorial issues. Out of the 8 or so kids she was assigned to, 100% of the child's issues were with the parents. No matter what she did, the parent's never changed, the child only acted better when not around the parents...


I totally agree with the restaurant's wants. I hate to go in a restaurant and see kids screaming and running around like its recess. An upset/crying child is one thing, but undiciplined child(ren) is(are) completey different.

The children should act behaved. Teach them to act in public just like they would while at church. If not, pull em in private and beat the ass. It only takes a couple of times before the realize the threats aren't empty. they straighten up every time :D
 
i remember when i was younger and i miss behaved, my mom would tell me she would knock my teeth down my throat lol. and it worked. shut me up real quick, and if i got smart, out cam ethe switch. i think there should be a no idiot section to. i hate when i take teh ole lady out to eat and theres a bunch of college/highschool kno it all bad boys tryin to show there self in front of all teh women in the place. im a college student to, but i dont act like im 13
 
Ok shawn we get it you dont like kids and dont think they should be out in public or in the mnts.Everytime someting like this is brought up you get on the bandwagon.You dont like kids-we get it.

What me and my wife,the parents of a behaved child don't like is havin to set behind/beside/near a group that is shit faced drunk and droppin the "F" bomb every other word,or the ones who insist on talking loud enuf so that everybody in the place can hear how awesome they are or how many woman they have had.I think they need to have a no douche bag section where normal people can have a meal w their behaved children,but the douchebags will be the last ones to know they are one.
 
That sign should read, "Please be considerate to other customers and use a low voice" or something like that. It shouldn't single out any one specific type of person. Screaming kids, loud mouthed drunks, and random idiots all piss me off when I'm trying to eat dinner.
 
I totally agree,but most people only see the kids and dont see the idiot adults that are around also.
 
1-tonmudder said:
Ok shawn we get it you dont like kids and dont think they should be out in public or in the mnts.Everytime someting like this is brought up you get on the bandwagon.You dont like kids-we get it.
What me and my wife,the parents of a behaved child don't like is havin to set behind/beside/near a group that is shit faced drunk and droppin the "F" bomb every other word,or the ones who insist on talking loud enuf so that everybody in the place can hear how awesome they are or how many woman they have had.I think they need to have a no douche bag section where normal people can have a meal w their behaved children,but the douchebags will be the last ones to know they are one.
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when I'm with friends sometimes the stories will fly when we're having a good time. I was in a restraunt one time and had my back to a family (but I didn't know). At the end of the meal the woman was super pissed and told me to watch my mouth. I felt bad about it but she didn't say anything to me before she got to that point. They had come in and sat down and I had no clue. Maybe if she had spoke up that wouldn't have happened. Point is, I always try to be polite to others, but sometimes folks need a reminder (especially when they don't know you're there).
 
I have noticed The parents who raise kids well and respectful (or at least try to raise to the best of their ability) agree with the sign. and I have seen WAY to many people who must use the "no spanking, postive reinforcement" approch say it is wrong and "a child will be a child" Well ma'am, I have never seen a child stop thier tantrum with in a reasonable time by ignoring them or softly saying "please stop"

I seen in one article a mother of an autism child is screaming discrimation. My view on that is an autism child should be giving more patience, but not an excuse. Some autisic kids have a history of eposides, and the guardians should not set the child up for failure during rush hour.

I don't have kids and I choose not to have kids, but that does not mean I don't have expirence with kids.


BTW, I read a post about "social anxity" .. YEA... that was me as a kid scared shitless in public and you know what my parents did? put me in more public places with out them close (like sports, kids church groups, chior (I hated choir with a passion!!!!) long trips with the youth, blah blah blah) Then threatend my ass if I didn't go. It worked, I can function in public without meds, im not scared shitless although I don't really like meeting strangers. Once it started working I no longer had to go to stupid choir and church.
 
orangecherokee said:
when I'm with friends sometimes the stories will fly when we're having a good time. I was in a restraunt one time and had my back to a family (but I didn't know). At the end of the meal the woman was super pissed and told me to watch my mouth. I felt bad about it but she didn't say anything to me before she got to that point. They had come in and sat down and I had no clue. Maybe if she had spoke up that wouldn't have happened. Point is, I always try to be polite to others, but sometimes folks need a reminder (especially when they don't know you're there).
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I bet you paid better attention the next time didnt you??? I think most people are this way,I have told people to watch their mouth and they seemed embarrised about it afterwards.On a whole though people are goin to impose themsevles on everybody esle whether it's cryin/misbehavin kids or adults actin like kids.
 
JeepTruck said:
How you ever noticed that everyone thinks they are great parents and thier kids are good kids?
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Well, In my case I say I have a well behaved child because that is what people tell me. Actually they tend to say he is one of the most mindful and respectful children they have met.

It is all in the parenting. Key word there was parenting. As I said earlier, many parents find excuses to explain their children's negative behavior never once considering it is they who allow or even cause the behavior.
Just recently I observed a parent with a child who was talking to them in a whinny tone, for no reason btw, and the parent was responding sympathetically rather than tell or expect the child to speak normally. In this particular situation the parent was enabling a negative behavior. When my son gets like that I remind him I don't understand him until he talks like he is supposed to. He doesn't like it but he follows directions. It's funny how parents want to spoil their child(ren) yet expect them to miraculously become a functional, responsible adult when they get older. If you don't teach them how to act in the world it's much harder in the long run for them.
I express it to parents in this analogy sometimes, if you have employees or subordinates, do you keep doing their work after they have been taught how to do a task? Of course not. Then why do you do it with your child, that teaches reliance not independence and self direction.:shaking:
 
whats worse then going out to eat and hearing kids scream and act up? going out to eat with friends and THEIR kid is screaming and acting up at YOUR table.

i'm all for a kids and no kids section
 
Tommygunn said:
whats worse then going out to eat and hearing kids scream and act up? going out to eat with friends and THEIR kid is screaming and acting up at YOUR table.
i'm all for a kids and no kids section
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So you could sit in one section and your friend in another with their kids?? :confused: :flipoff2:
 
Tommygunn said:
whats worse then going out to eat and hearing kids scream and act up? going out to eat with friends and THEIR kid is screaming and acting up at YOUR table.
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Absolutely and it's even worse when my 11yo son reconizes the other kids bad behavior.
 
I agree with the no screeming resturant. It is bad enough to have to deal with grown-ups who cannot control their voice levels. I have a daughter who I have to tell her quite often use your inside voice. And she abides, she doent keep acting a fool
the problem is when they can not be redirected. There is where
the parenting skills come into play. A child will at some point get excited and forget to act responsibly. It is our job as parents to be able to reel them back in and set them in line again, without abuse. I spank my children on ocassion. But not for every little thing that comes along. Just have to give that look and usally they snap back real quick. Cause they know Daddy Dont Play That.
 
Tommygunn said:
whats worse then going out to eat and hearing kids scream and act up? going out to eat with friends and THEIR kid is screaming and acting up at YOUR table.
i'm all for a kids and no kids section
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had that happen very recently. I was amazed at how loud their kid got at the table and how they just try to make him shut up by giving him what he wanted aka getting out of his booster seat. they said it gets worse but I saw no discipline from their end. just trying to give him what he wanted. I don't look forward to future dinners.
 
It's within all human nature to test the limits. Kids will learn early on just how far they can push their parents. Whether you spank your kids or not, if you don't back what you say you will do for misbehaving they will keep pushing that limit till you have no control over them.

I shake my head every time I hear a parent start counting or say "I'm gonna bust your butt if you don't stop" and then never follow through with it. Guess what? These are idle threats to them and they know it! !
 
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