Disciplining your childrens

We believe in "1st time obey". We tell our daughter to do something once. If we have to tell her a second time, there are consequences that vary depending on the offense.

Here is a serious question for you.
(Promise I am not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, just want your opinion)

Is your ultimate goal to raise a human who never questions authority?
If not at what age will you introduce the allowance to question your supreme authority?
 
Here is a serious question for you.
(Promise I am not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, just want your opinion)

Is your ultimate goal to raise a human who never questions authority?
If not at what age will you introduce the allowance to question your supreme authority?
Great point.
 
Here is a serious question for you.
(Promise I am not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, just want your opinion)

Is your ultimate goal to raise a human who never questions authority?
If not at what age will you introduce the allowance to question your supreme authority?
I still won't question my father's authority. Maybe that's how I was raised or maybe its the fact that he is very successful and has his shit together.
 
Here is a serious question for you.
(Promise I am not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, just want your opinion)

Is your ultimate goal to raise a human who never questions authority?
If not at what age will you introduce the allowance to question your supreme authority?
Definitely not. That's why I said the consequence varies with the offense. If I tell my daughter to do something and she tells me why she can't, then of course, if she really can't, then she doesn't and there are no consequences. The other thing I didn't say is that we also give our daughter a "heads-up". For instance, if it is getting close to bedtime, and she is playing something or watching something, we tell her "15 minutes until bed...5 minutes until bed..." That allows her to get to a stopping point and avoids alot of issues we would have if we just suddenly said "its bedtime."
I promise we do all this with the greatest of love and rarely even raise our voice.
 
My son can be spanked until you break your wrist and he will still pitch out. My kindergartner, however, will respond to just a change in the tone of my voice most times.

My son sounds very similar to yours. He was a great baby and gave us no trouble at all from birth to 15 months. At 15 months his behavior deteriorated rapidly. We tried time-out, but it didn’t work. He would not sit in the time out spot. No matter how many times I kept putting him back there, he would immediately try to leave. After some months of that, we started putting him in the pack-n-play for time out. He would continually try to climb out. I then gave in and tried spanking even though I really didn’t want to go that route. Here is an example of a typical situation with him since about 2 yrs old. He is doing something he should not be doing. Me,”Please stop whatever it is that he shouldn’t be doing”. He continues/no change. Me, “I’m going to count to three and if you don’t stop doing that by the time I get to three, then I am going to spank you and put you in your room”. He still continues/ no change. I start counting, and reach three with still no change from him. I then spank him and put him in his room. He wants to win even though it means he will lose. From what I have read on the internet, he is just a very strong willed child. He is 3.5 yrs old now, and actually starting getting a little better right about the time he turned three, and continues to slowly get better. It was hell though from 15 months until 3 yrs old. We still occasionally have really bad days or bad moments during the day though now.

According to my mother, I was awful from the age of 2 to 4, so I guess he gets it from me.
 
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Paddle.
Hang it on the wall where it's visible.
Use it once or twice ... then all it takes is looking at it and behavior changes and rooms clear.


Matt
 
We never say "I'm going to count to 3..." All that tells a child is that you are not serious until you get to 2 and a half. I heard a woman in a store counting awhile back. She had already counted to 7 and hadn't done anything. She truly looked ridiculous. .

Anyone counting to 3 and inserting 2.5 between 2 and 3 or going past 3 is a complete idiot. When I tell my boy that I am going to count to three, I do it clearly and loud enough for him to hear. I count the numbers off just like the second hand on a clock, exactly that timing. 1, 2, 3, then discipline is given.
 
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I'm not afraid to spank them in public as well.
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This is important, and I have done it too. They can't be allowed to get away with bad behavior just because you don't want to deal with it in the current situation. You can't put them in time out when you are in the middle of Wal-Mart grocery shopping. When my boy was at the peak of his bad behavior, there were numerous times when I had to leave the store with him and sit in the van in complete silence while my wife finished grocery shopping. He got no toys, no radio on, the two of us just sat there in silence. Sometimes for 30 minutes. When it was all over and he had calmed down, I would explain to him that his behavior was unacceptable and that is why we had to leave the store and sit in the van. There was actually about a 3-4 month stretch where I banned him from the grocery store because he was just so bad every time we went. He is much better now, and usually just sits in the cart and eats and drinks while we shop.

There is a lot of good advice in this thread.
 
We use the love and logic style parenting
What does that mean?

I'm nervous about the older years..
I'm not.

Not discrediting your parenting techniques, to each his own I believe. However, I am curious about this "Love and Logic" technique. Especially since your kid is 3. From my experience with my 3 kids (ages 6,12,14), they have no logic at that young of an age.
 
My son sounds very similar to yours. He was a great baby and gave us no trouble at all from birth to 15 months. At 15 months his behavior deteriorated rapidly. We tried time-out, but it didn’t work. He would not sit in the time out spot. No matter how many times I kept putting him back there, he would immediately try to leave. After some months of that, we started putting him in the pack-n-play for time out. He would continually try to climb out. I then gave in and tried spanking even though I really didn’t want to go that route. Here is an example of a typical situation with him since about 2 yrs old. He is doing something he should not be doing. Me,”Please stop whatever it is that he shouldn’t be doing”. He continues/no change. Me, “I’m going to count to three and if you don’t stop doing that by the time I get to three, then I am going to spank you and put you in your room”. He still continues/ no change. I start counting, and reach three with still no change from him. I then spank him and put him in his room. He wants to win even though it means he will lose. From what I have read on the internet, he is just a very strong willed child. He is 3.5 yrs old now, and actually starting getting a little better right about the time he turned three, and continues to slowly get better. It was hell though from 15 months until 3 yrs old. We still occasionally have really bad days or bad moments during the day though now.


This almost describes my son to a t. Is yours named Jackson? Last night we went to visit a friend down the street who has a little girl that is almost the same age as my son( just turned 3) well he played good and everything was going fine until we went to Leave and he went crazy crying. I had to carry him back down the street while he acted out. He pitched this fit for at least 20 min before time out and the spankings finally worked and he calmed down. Sometimes I think some kids are just more hard headed than others. Idk. But it can be frustrating sometimes raising children.
 
Here is a serious question for you.
(Promise I am not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, just want your opinion)

Is your ultimate goal to raise a human who never questions authority?
If not at what age will you introduce the allowance to question your supreme authority?

Great question. My thoughts: First they need to learn respect and boundaries. Without that you have chaos. You instill respect and boundaries at a young age, that way when they are older, maybe 8-12, when their mind is developing logical thought processes, teach them to think for themselves. Show them the information, let them try to decide right and wrong with thorough contemplation and then begin to question. It starts with something like reading problems. Let them figure out how to get the right answer. this all then translates (in due time as they grow older) into RESPECTFULLY questioning authority based on logic. Even if my kid comes to the conclusion that the Democratic party is right and all the animals need to be saved, I'll know she came to that conclusion by thinking about it and problem solving in her own mind and opinion. Even if i disagree. (I do believe in checks and balances with my example of democratic party and saving the animals statement above).
 
I have to tell you one of the cooler things I've seen is when my kids try to teach other kids. Its only happened a few times but one was very recent and it was kind of a silent reassurance that we were doing SOMETHING right.

My son just finished his Pony League Baseball season. I helped coach the team (one of 4 dad coaches) but was not a "dug out" coach. Essentially our league rules state no more than 3 coaches in the dugout, and since all the other coaches work locally and could always be there early they were the "dugout coaches". One of the other coaches son got bange dup in a game and the id came out of the game. Next half inning while our team was batting the dad came over and tried to talk to the son telling him it would be ok etc. The kid (14) went off and screamed and cussed at his dad in the dugout in plain site of everyone.(The dad misunderstood how the kid got hurt he though he had been hit by the ball but had actually been spiked.) The dad kind of walked away and hung his head. As I stood just outside the fence the 3rd base coach looked at me and shook his head...he and go way back...we greq up together. Anyway without any que my son walked over and sat beside the hurt kid and put his arm around him. (I was standing by the fence so I hard this but no one else outside the dugout really did.) "Hey man it'll stop hurting in a minute. You know how it is it hurts like hell at first but itll be ok. Suck it up. We need you out there." The kid calmed down and agreed and it could have ended there. Instead my son shocked (pleasantly) me." I know how it is to get excited when you are in pain. But you have to remember who you are talking to. That is your Dad more than your coach. You really shouldn't have yelled at him. My dad would have beat my ass in front of everyone if I did that I promise."

Anyway...cool story, bra...I know. Just wanted to share.
 
there are different stages of kids development. And each kid learns differently so all these things make it tough to make a cookie cutter system for educating and discipline. For example a friend of my has 3 kids. One of them does something wrong and the father raises his voice and the kid breaks down in tears and is completely sorry. While another one of his kids he could get loud and careless but he can take his favorite toy away and the kid feels like its the worse punishment in the world.

So with that being said you know your kids best and so you can try different things to find the right punishment for the crime. As far as questioning authority it depends. If they are questioning more of why they should do something because they do not understand the importance then explain there is nothing wrong in questioning that. Now if they know why and they are questioning you then thats what you need to nip in the bud.

Discipline is completely ok. And I had to discipline kids that were not mine but these kids still respected me for doing this. Your kids love you but sometimes need a little help on learning the respect part. Especially in a crazy world today with kids shooting up everything and all the poor parenting by people that are still kids when they have kids. Hope it helps
 
This almost describes my son to a t. Is yours named Jackson? Last night we went to visit a friend down the street who has a little girl that is almost the same age as my son( just turned 3) well he played good and everything was going fine until we went to Leave and he went crazy crying. I had to carry him back down the street while he acted out. He pitched this fit for at least 20 min before time out and the spankings finally worked and he calmed down. Sometimes I think some kids are just more hard headed than others. Idk. But it can be frustrating sometimes raising children.

My 6 year old used to do the same thing when we went to our friends. One time I got both the little girls attention, looked them in the eye and with a stern voice said. "There will be no fussing, no whining and no crying. Clean up, it's time to go." they looked at me and seeing as they apparently had no options, said "ok" and did exactly that. Now all I do is walk up and say "No Fussing" and they finish the statement for me and get to cleaning. :D
 
Based on this video from that site:


o_O

If that's the mentality I will only have one thing to say.

Parenting is not a Popularity contest.


What a pussy.

How about this instead. " good night, lay in your bed with your eyes closed quietly until you fall asleep, if you come out or I have to come in your gonna get spanked."
 
What a pussy.

How about this instead. " good night, lay in your bed with your eyes closed quietly until you fall asleep, if you come out or I have to come in your gonna get spanked."


His approach obviously works better because he has a website and it has videos of him saying stuff. They don't give websites with people saying stuff on them if they aren't an expert.
 
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