Do you wear a mask when you go out to crowded public places?

Do you wear a mask when you go out to 'crowded' public places?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 33.0%
  • No

    Votes: 64 57.1%
  • Sometimes

    Votes: 11 9.8%

  • Total voters
    112
No, because if he had been wearing a seatbelt, he probably wouldn't have been hurled through said windshield and if he had died, well... a seatbelt really isn't going to come into play anymore now is it?

You understand that the critical flaw in your logic is that people die in car wrecks every day, wearing seat belts, right? So bad comparison if you're trying to use it to justify masks.

If we're playing hypotheticals...how about 'wore a seat belt, got stuck and was burned alive'. So, I double back to, you do you, I'll do me...and everyone can do as they please with the information presented.
 
What if you got in an accident and were thrown through the windshield and lived...would you wear one then?
Been there done that over 25 years ago and no it didn’t make me wanna wear one. I’m a firm believer that when it’s your time it’s your time. Had some friends and family killed in accidents and was told that some would have lived without the seatbelt. So y’all worry about you and if I end up paralyzed I won’t ask you to change my diaper.
 
You understand that the critical flaw in your logic is that people die in car wrecks every day, wearing seat belts, right? So bad comparison if you're trying to use it to justify masks.
Never said that people don't die even though they are wearing a seatbelt, I said it helps reduce the chance of that happening. Just like masks... regardless of how effective you think masks are, they do help to some degree, even if its only a small amount, which in turn reduces your chance of catching/spreading.

I actually think a seat belt and a mask is a fairly good comparison. Neither one is full proof, but they both reduce the risk. Kinda like a condom : )
 
which in turn reduces your chance of catching/spreading.

Critical flaw in your logic #2...you assume I care if I catch or spread. If someone told me I had a 99.96% chance of winning the lottery, I'd be jumping for joy. (Also worth noting, I probably already had, survived it, got prednisone for it, just waiting on the antibody test). If someone else is worried about catching from me, they should take their own precautions.
 
Critical flaw in your logic #2...you assume I care if I catch or spread. If someone told me I had a 99.96% chance of winning the lottery, I'd be jumping for joy. (Also worth noting, I probably already had, survived it, got prednisone for it, just waiting on the antibody test). If someone else is worried about catching from me, they should take their own precautions.
wow.

So you don't care if you were to spread to your Dad, who you said yourself was high risk? Or my wife who is high risk? You and I might have a 99.96% of surviving it, but people like your Dad and my wife and countless others who might not be so lucky... is that the right mentality to have, that you don't care if you catch it or spread it?

And you do realize that wearing a mask (which I know you obviously don't) is not just for your own protection, its for other people. If you have Covid and you choose not to wear a mask, but everyone else around you does, you are putting everyone around you at a higher risk of getting it vs. you wearing a mask and everyone else wearing one too.

That's all I am getting at. I am not saying that you are wrong and like you said, you are free to live your life as you see fit, mask or not.
 
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If you have Covid and you choose not to wear a mask, but everyone else around you does, you are putting everyone around you at a higher risk of getting it .
But I thought masks worked...:confused:
 
wow.

So you don't care if you were to spread to your Dad, who you said yourself was high risk? Or my wife who is high risk? You and I might have a 99.96% of surviving it, but people like your Dad and my wife and countless others who might not be so lucky... is that the right mentality to have, that you don't care if you catch it or spread it?

And you do realize that wearing a mask (which I know you obviously don't) is not just for your own protection, its for other people. If you have Covid and you choose not to wear a mask, but everyone else around you does, you are putting everyone around you at a higher risk of getting it vs. you wearing a mask and everyone else wearing one too.

That's all I am getting at. I am not saying that you are wrong and like you said, you are free to live your life as you see fit, mask or not.

1) My father and your wife are responsible for themselves, it’s not my job to make them feel warm and fuzzy. Edit...if they choose to tell me not to come to their homes without a mask, they made their choice, and then I have a choice to make. And I’m cool with that. If I want to see them, I’ll put a mask on...otherwise, I’ll see them when they’re ready rejoin the world.

2) Like with any illness, I wouldn’t leave the house and knowingly spread it. So mask wearing is moot there too. And if someone is afraid of me spreading it, they have their choices they can make too.
 
1) My father and your wife are responsible for themselves, it’s not my job to make them feel warm and fuzzy. Edit...if they choose to tell me not to come to their homes without a mask, they made their choice, and then I have a choice to make. And I’m cool with that. If I want to see them, I’ll put a mask on...otherwise, I’ll see them when they’re ready rejoin the world.

2) Like with any illness, I wouldn’t leave the house and knowingly spread it. So mask wearing is moot there too. And if someone is afraid of me spreading it, they have their choices they can make too.


You can have it, not know it and spread it. This is pointless.
 
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I guess I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from, nor why anyone would expect someone else to be responsible for them, it's not a complex concept. I don't pay for your home alarm system for your safety, I don't buy your guns for your safety, I don't tuck you in at night to keep you safe from the boogeyman...so why is an illness any different? I'll redirect you to this:

If you feel a mask is protecting you, wear one...if you don't, don't. If you wanna wear a hazmat suit...go for it, that's your prerogative. If you wanna remain locked down in your house, you do you. Just let me make own decisions.
 
You understand that the critical flaw in your logic is that people die in car wrecks every day, wearing seat belts, right? So bad comparison if you're trying to use it to justify masks.
except thatt he rate of those deaths has gone down sicne seat belts have gotten better and become the norm to wear.

... just like infection rates going down when people wear masks....
 
except thatt he rate of those deaths has gone down sicne seat belts have gotten better and become the norm to wear.

... just like infection rates going down when people wear masks....

You're the data guy and you're not even going to acknowledge that pool size of test subjects plays a role in both cases??? Not even a footnote.
 
If someone else is worried about catching from me, they should take their own precautions.
So I guess we shouldn't have laws against DUI either, huh.
Don't wanna be hit by somebody who puts others at risk by imparing themselves behind a wheel? Guess you shouldn't drive around that person then...
 
You're the data guy and you're not even going to acknowledge that pool size of test subjects plays a role in both cases??? Not even a footnote.
what are you even talking about?

Epidiomiological things like mask wearing is all based on what happens to the whole group in large aggregate, basedo n teh actions of individuals.
 
So I guess we shouldn't have laws against DUI either, huh.
Don't wanna be hit by somebody who puts others at risk by imparing themselves behind a wheel? Guess you shouldn't drive around that person then...

If those laws worked and people weren't still making their own choices anyway, we wouldn't have any DUI related incidents, now would we???
 
What if you got in an accident and were thrown through the windshield and lived...would you wear one then?

I was in a car wreck when I was 16, had a buddy in the car with me. Neither of us was wearing our seat belts. If I had been wearing my seat belt, I may have still survived but would have sustained neck injury due to the shit box of a car I was driving having the seat belt attached to the door and the door getting torn nearly completely off. My friend on the other hand died in the wreck because without his seat belt to hold him in his seat he hit the dash board with his chest and sustained massive internal injuries which killed him a few hours later in the hospital. The point of that story is that depending on the wreck and the circumstances, the seat belt analogy is hard to compare to the mask one. Now, I wear my seat belt ever since just because I figure there is a better chance of it saving me than causing more harm, especially since I will never own another fucking geo metro as long as I live. I also wear my mask when I am in public because I feel it has a better chance of protecting me and others than it does hurting.

If he lived...wouldn't that justify his reasoning for NOT wearing one.

Not necessarily, living but without a limb or two might make one think they should have worn the seat belt.

Lived but paralyzed?

Definitely one of the worse things out there than just dying. Being a prisoner in ones own body without control of it would totally suck.

If we're playing hypotheticals...how about 'wore a seat belt, got stuck and was burned alive'. So, I double back to, you do you, I'll do me...and everyone can do as they please with the information presented.

Well that would be the rare time where the seat belt did more harm than good, but statistically speaking, the chances of a seat belt saving a life are higher than one being the cause of death.

No, because if he had been wearing a seatbelt, he probably wouldn't have been hurled through said windshield and if he had died, well... a seatbelt really isn't going to come into play anymore now is it?

Dying does end a debate.

You understand that the critical flaw in your logic is that people die in car wrecks every day, wearing seat belts, right? So bad comparison if you're trying to use it to justify masks.

I tend to agree that seat belts are not the best analogy to use in trying to persuade someone who doesnt want to wear a mask to wear one. I think a better argument is that what real harm is coming from wearing the mask? Yes it sucks, its inconvenient, its hot as balls out now and this makes it worse, and we look like a bunch of tools wearing them. I get all that, but what would suck more dying gasping for breath. The number of people who die from this virus versus those that get better from it once infected is relatively low, but its not zero. I can understand looking at it as the odds being in your favor, hell if I was single and didnt have a kid, I wouldnt care as much as I do. My thing though is that I am not single and I do have a kid. What if get it, and it has little to no effect on me, but then I spread it to my wife or son and it kills one or both of them? At first they thought it was only killing old people, then only people with underlying conditions, but now if you see the people dying, there are quite a few that are younger, seeming healthy people dying from this. That would suggest that there is no known demographic that virus will kill or wont kill. Thats pretty fucking scary. Now I know that the CDC has flip flopped on the effectiveness of wearing a mask a few times now, but if it has even the slightest chance of protecting you or someone you love, isnt it worth the slight inconvenience?
 
If those laws worked and people weren't still making their own choices anyway, we wouldn't have any DUI related incidents, now would we???
Again - look at the data.
DUI-related accidents have dropped since anti-DUI laws and social campaigns became a thing.
It's not all or nothing, its about rates and probability.
 
what are you even talking about?

Epidiomiological things like mask wearing is all based on what happens to the whole group in large aggregate, basedo n teh actions of individuals.

I'm talking about testing. You said masks have decreased infection rate. You still really can't prove that, nor the rate at which people are actually wearing masks...what you can prove is that testing has gone up and the infection rate has gone down.
 
If those laws worked and people weren't still making their own choices anyway, we wouldn't have any DUI related incidents, now would we???

Just because a law doesnt 100% stop the crime, doesnt mean we should do away with the law. You cant legalize murder just because we still have murderers.
 
I'm talking about testing. You said masks have decreased infection rate. You still really can't prove that, nor the rate at which people are actually wearing masks...what you can prove is that testing has gone up and the infection rate has gone down.
I'm guessing you didn't read any of the articles I posted about that
 
Just because a law doesnt 100% stop the crime, doesnt mean we should do away with the law. You cant legalize murder just because we still have murderers.

Again...I'm not saying that's the case. I'm not saying abolish laws. I'm saying people know the risk, they know the consequences, and they make their choices accordingly. Whether that's the choice to drink and drive, or the choice to get on the road at midnight on New Year's Eve. I make the choice to stay off the road during any major holiday to avoid drunk drivers.
 
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