Electrical load sheet for duke power

YotaOnRocks

YotaOnRocks

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 17, 2007
Location
Madison
Duke Power needs an electrical load sheet to give me a qoute on running power to my barn. Engineer said it would be free if I was building the house first but the barn will cost:flipoff:. Pisses me off because the engineer I dealt with in 2020 didn't care if I had permits for the house and didn't tell me it was their rules, now he retired and the new engineer is requiring them. The cost is $21,000 minuse however much credit I can get for the barn based off the load sheet. I have no idea how to fill the thing out. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.

Barn is 40x80x16. Will be running a fridge and deep freezer, oven/range, water heater, washing machine/dryer, 5 tonish heat pump, air compressor, welder, high bay led ufo lights, wall outlets, and my 50amp fifth wheel

Any other info needed just let me know.
 

Attachments

  • LS-NEW FORM.. Commercial_Industrial Service Information Form Final.pdf
    39.5 KB · Views: 1,055
YotaOnRocks said:
now he retired and the new engineer is requiring them.
Click to expand...
I'm no help... But this happens so often I can't begin to tell you.

From this very instance to health dept requirements, etc.
 
CasterTroy said:
I'm no help... But this happens so often I can't begin to tell you.

From this very instance to health dept requirements, etc.
Click to expand...
Just pisses me off so much. The delays from the new zoning guy (same thing, new guy different rules) cost me atleast 20k in increased cost to build my barn.
 
A) this is 100% a @Ron question

B) to me, this says you either need to pump up those barn electrical usage numbers or buy a ratted out single wide to slide up there. What are the minimum requirements in your county for a residence? Because that's what I'd be shooting for.
 
awheelterd said:
A) this is 100% a @Ron question

B) to me, this says you either need to pump up those barn electrical usage numbers or buy a ratted out single wide to slide up there. What are the minimum requirements in your county for a residence? Because that's what I'd be shooting for.
Click to expand...
Credit for the install is based off house size. With the size house we're planning to build we would get around a $30k credit according to the engineer.
 
i haven't stayed at a holiday inn express in some time, but, this is kind of what they are looking for.
i assume it is all single phase. - so tick this column for everything your using. ( they just want to make sure the transformer is large enough for your load).
contractor and electrician just put self, don't sweat it.
i would go with a 200 amp service, go ahead and place it on its own service ( it will have its own meter) they should connect it up for free, it will just get it's own monthly bill. is it going to cost any more. ( that's what i did for my garage)
are you going to need a pole light at the barn?
200 amp service is going to need #2 copper from the meter box to the fuse box
i would put in at least a 30 space fuse box incase you want to add more circuits later.
place a 1 in the A/C single phase and put 5 ton in the in the total KW column put 20
are you going to have an emergency heat strip with the heat pump? if so figure up how much power it needs.
lighting i don't know 1500 watts ( 1.5 kw)
average fridge is about 800 watts
water heater is around 4000 watts
stove maybe 3000 watts
maybe 12000 watts for the misc.
receptacles maybe 5000 watts
next add it all up.
chances are your not going to be running everything at the same time. so this is probably all you need to declare
 
Last edited:
YotaOnRocks said:
Credit for the install is based off house size. With the size house we're planning to build we would get around a $30k credit according to the engineer.
Click to expand...
Dang Richie Rich…how big a house you building? :flipoff2: Engineer told me like $14k credit for my house and it’s not a small one.

Seriously though, hate to hear of the frustrations and extra costs.
 
Are you requesting 3 phase? I was going to have it ran until I found out it would up the initial monthly rate by a minimum of 75 or so dollars. They want a load calc for the "equipment".

Single phase was more of just how big a meter you want and panels to feed.

I went over kill and could run a small camp ground. Two 200 amp units. I can't remember the breaker count but neither are a third full....duh.
 
Does anyone from Dook come out a year after construction and see how much equipment you actually have? I'd be listing a few big ass phase converters for all that WW2 3ph milling equipment you are "planning" to run. As well as that 10 ton ac until your "thinking about" installing to dehumidify the barn with all that equipment.
 
If one were to go ahead and dig the foundation for the house, would that be enough to get the credit? Just spitballin’.

*edited to add, 20k would go a long way toward starting the house, no matter if it had to sit a bit.
 
Last edited:
WARRIORWELDING said:
Are you requesting 3 phase? I was going to have it ran until I found out it would up the initial monthly rate by a minimum of 75 or so dollars. They want a load calc for the "equipment".

Single phase was more of just how big a meter you want and panels to feed.

I went over kill and could run a small camp ground. Two 200 amp units. I can't remember the breaker count but neither are a third full....duh.
Click to expand...
Just single phase
 
ponykilr said:
If one were to go ahead and dig the foundation for the house, would that be enough to get the credit? Just spitballin’.

*edited to add, 20k would go a long way toward starting the house, no matter if it had to sit a bit.
Click to expand...
They want the permits pulled for the house and construction started. Problem is my wife and I haven't decided 100% on our house plans yet.
 
When I go down to the shop today I will look at the sheet I filled out for Appalachian power. They wanted to size the appropriate transformer for my service. I have 400 amp service to my shop. Only single phase though. 3 phase is so far from me they quoted over 100 grand to run it to my shop. Ouch. I use rotary phase converters to make my 3 phase for my machines.
 
YotaOnRocks said:
They want the permits pulled for the house and construction started. Problem is my wife and I haven't decided 100% on our house plans yet.
Click to expand...
For 20k, I’d decide.
 
YotaOnRocks said:
Just single phase
Click to expand...
Rethinking they must need to run a feeder and transformer. I had 3 phase and a transformer all less than 150 yards from the location. I just could not swallow 75 dollars a month just to have 3 phase. Idle or wide open that was the minimum. If I had half a dozen employees and a few machining centers running round the clock it would make sense.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
Rethinking they must need to run a feeder and transformer. I had 3 phase and a transformer all less than 150 yards from the location. I just could not swallow 75 dollars a month just to have 3 phase. Idle or wide open that was the minimum. If I had half a dozen employees and a few machining centers running round the clock it would make sense.
Click to expand...
Yes, they will set a new pole at the road, bury 1500' of primary, install a transformer, and then run secondary to my house and barn.
 
What about putting a loft or something on one end of the building with some rooms to satisfy the "house" requirement. I am not sure what minimum is, but if your barn is also your "house", how does that change things?
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
What about putting a loft or something on one end of the building with some rooms to satisfy the "house" requirement. I am not sure what minimum is, but if your barn is also your "house", how does that change things?
Click to expand...
That is 1 of 3 current possibilities, 2nd is if i can get enough credit for the barn to offset the cost (unlikely), 3rd is running the barn completely off solar and probably upgrading the solar and doing a grid tied system once the house is built. Problem with number 3 is upfront cost and 0 knowledge of solar.
 
YotaOnRocks said:
That is 1 of 3 current possibilities, 2nd is if i can get enough credit for the barn to offset the cost (unlikely), 3rd is running the barn completely off solar and probably upgrading the solar and doing a grid tied system once the house is built. Problem with number 3 is upfront cost and 0 knowledge of solar.
Click to expand...
If your permits show that the barn will have living units, is that enough for Duke to consider it a residence? You mentioned that the house had to be under construction. So I wonder if your barn was under construction and you had drawings showing that it was containing a living unit, if that would suffice?
 
I’m sure somebody smarter than me has already answered this question, but pretty much you’re looking at either 200A or 400A feeders being ran regardless… even if it was a 100A meter base and panel the PoCo still runs the same size feeders to it (almost always).

They may be fishing to see what your Peak Demand (kWp) is, and if that’s the case don’t sign up for a Time of Use Demand billing schedule, they penalize high kW peak metering.
 
Back
Top