Get ready to be Fracked..........

Fracking is safe and clean. They've been doing it for 60 years. The unemployment rate in South Dakota right now is around 3% thanks to the oil fields. They're drawing in people from all over the country with high-paying oil field jobs. The unemployment rate in NC is hovering around 10%.
 
I doubt the Geology of these 2 states is the same and they are alot different on the surface. S.D. has way more wide open space and less population also. Oil drilling does'nt involve injecting millions of gallons of chems. into the earth or cracking it either, Apples to Oranges. I heard it's biggest proponent speaking about it on the news, Bucco? a Charlotte senator. He does'nt sound like he's even from N.C. or been here very long, and probably could care less about protecting pristine rural areas far from HIS home.
 
Listening to the new on NPR this am on the way to work. The three counties they propose to frack up will only provide gas for 5.5 years. Great... sounds like someone is in it for a quick buck, leave a mess and move on.
 
They have been doing Fracking of water wells for years here in NC. It is nothing new, the "chemicals" are water and RV antifreeze, the stuff you can drink! RV ers use this to winterize their fresh water systems in the winter. A friend of mine has been fracking wells in the Asheville area for years. I suggest some research before slamming something that is not understood. Fracking does not harm anything. It creates micro cracks in the rock thousands of feet down and taps into otherwise lost resources. It stops destroying the surface with thousands of drill sites. Shawn is correct, this is a good thing for the enviorment and the economy for the gas we need. Everybody wants the oil companies to drill here at home for oil, well this is it. Rant off, I'll step down now!
 
mommucked said:
Oil drilling does'nt involve injecting millions of gallons of chems. into the earth or cracking it either, Apples to Oranges.
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I don't know WTF you're talking about here. I'm talking about fracking for oil, natural gas, and other fossil fuel resources, and the jobs and cash influx it can generate, specifically in the Bakken play recently and elsewhere since the late 40s.

The other thing of note is that we don't really know what the opportunities are, since even most exploratory drilling has been prohibited.

They're now saying that there's 2T barrels of recoverable oil in the Bazhenov fields. If you insist that we don't drill for oil here, you're de facto saying that we're going to be buying oil from the Russian oligarchy for the next 100 years.
 
the byproducts from fraking a water well and fraking a oil reserve are two different animals.
you frake a water well you get fresh water back, you frake a oil reserve you get waste water back.


have you ever seen the documentary Gas Lands? if there is any truth to that movie, then i wouldnt want any oil well fraking going on near me.

i have no objections to drilling for oil in america, but not at the expense of our fresh water supplies. i would rather import oil than drinking water.
 
yoderboy said:
have you ever seen the documentary Gas Lands? if there is any truth to that movie
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There's not. It's mostly propaganda. Even their viable claims aren't due specifically to fracking. The methane in the water trick can be caused by natural sources, but was more likely caused by leaking/improperly installed well casings (of any sort, not just fracking wells). Fracking occurs at great depth, below the level where drinking water is sourced, and below thousands of feet of impermeable rock.
 
As with most technologies, if there's a buck to make, industry is ahead of regulation. It's never good to take steps & ask questions later when it comes to our health & environment.
 
Gmachine said:
As with most technologies, if there's a buck to make, industry is ahead of regulation. It's never good to take steps & ask questions later when it comes to our health & environment.
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:rolleyes:

Right now, oil and gas drilling of any sort is not allowed in North Carolina. The Senate has passed a bill that would allow oil and gas drilling by expanding the Mining Commission to be the Mining and Energy Commission and requiring them to develop regulations necessary for the licensing and oversight of oil and gas exploration and extraction activities. They expect this could be complete as soon as 2014, with exploration activities beginning afterward. The house plans to draft their own version of the bill, saying they prefer a more cautious approach than what the Senate proposed.

As mentioned above, while this bill creates the regulatory oversight necessary for *any* oil and gas drilling, it specifically requires the agency to craft regulations for fracking wells. Fracking is a 60 year old technology. Hardly anything new.

Some state house Democrats and the Sierra Club are arguing that there's no need to create the commission, since there aren't enough fossil fuels to make it worth anybody's while. Problem is, we have no idea how much there is, since nobody has been allowed to drill exploratory wells, because no regulatory agency exists to oversee those activities.
 
I'll say it again.. uneducated public perception is the hardest hurdle to overcome on the engineering side of things...

No one knows the amount of gas is in our state, it's purely a guess. Also, prices are WAY too low to even pursue drilling... wait until prices start to rise then they'll start looking. I hope they do because there's tons of $$ to be made on the engineering side of things with the bulk majority of that $$ going to ensure public safety.

I also love how everyone screams alternate energy!!!! Especially that stupid commercial about the plug-in/hybrid car (one where everything is running off gas and smoking like crazy)... where do these idiots think all that amazing "electricity" is coming from... solar? wind?.... NO, try 80+% from fossil fuels... But it works... again, uneducated public buy whatever the prettiest mouth is saying...
 
uncc civilengineer said:
I also love how everyone screams alternate energy!!!! Especially that stupid commercial about the plug-in/hybrid car (one where everything is running off gas and smoking like crazy)... where do these idiots think all that amazing "electricity" is coming from... solar? wind?.... NO, try 80+% from fossil fuels... But it works... again, uneducated public buy whatever the prettiest mouth is saying...
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This and the fact that all the electric vehicles have batteries mined from hazardous materials, most hybrid/electric car owners don't understand this.
They are mid-stream consumers, don't worry about where it came from or how nor where it goes after they use it, but they'll criticize you in a minute for driving an older gas/diesel vehicle and 'hurting' the environment.
 
Shawn I respect some of your opinions on this, but how does " drawing in people from all over the country with high paying oilfield jobs" help North Carolinians jobless rate??? I'm thinking they come in, frack the hell out of the area, get some $$$$ and leave when the gas is gone. What they leave behind, and the scars on the land and in the ground is what bothers me. If something goes wrong w watertable contamination, I don't see how it could ever be corrected. Not alot of city waterlines anywhere in this region. Also how does anyone know for sure the rock buffer is actually "impermeable". It would be a shame to findout it actually has a few cracks, OOPS! We should be looking more at wind and solar, w all the high tech folks around here allready, it makes more sense. N.C. could be a great green energy development state.
 
My father has been involved in fracking natural gas for 30 years or better. I even did a school project on it in the 80's. It is just as messy as u make it. Companies r collecting the run off in ponds then using a de-salinization (sp) process to treat it. I would worry more about the oil itself being extracted from the ground. It is what lubricates the tectonic plates and prevents earthquakes and tsunamis.
 
Why are we having this conversation again? Mommuck...didnt we talk about this in another thread and everyone agreed the fears from fracking are unfounded?
 
mommucked said:
Shawn I respect some of your opinions on this, but how does " drawing in people from all over the country with high paying oilfield jobs" help North Carolinians jobless rate???
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Just like the injeneer said. You need everything from civil engineers to cooks. People to decide where the wells are drilled, people to drill the wells, people to repair the well drilling equipment, people to feed the guys drilling the wells and build places for them to live. The Bakken play is creating modern day boom towns in the Dakotas. South Dakota is at peak employment in spite of migration. I read a really good article a few months ago that profiled four people that had moved to SD to work. One was a truck driver, one was a cook, I think one was a machinist, don't remember the fourth. This isn't an overnight operation. You're talking about drilling and maintaining a well for the next 10 or 20 years.
 
Reid said:
Why are we having this conversation again? Mommuck...didnt we talk about this in another thread and everyone agreed the fears from fracking are unfounded?
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Reid said:
i guess there was no resolution....people just didnt care enough to continue the conversation.

http://www.nc4x4.com/forum/index.php?threads/your-fracking-kidding-me.119332/#post-982713
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I'm sorry for making a duplicate thread but this new one is about what seems to be a new urgency to speed up the process of all this. I also expected more opposition from the big shots in the senate. It's the first time this may be tried here. I see no need to rush to make it happen, besides the opposition getting stronger and possibly stopping it w enough time and fact finding. I should have just posted in the old thread. Also the last time I checked, N.C. had no trouble w people moving to this state in spite of the jobless rate. It's one of the fastest growing populations in the country. People need to "care" about this if you "care" about what makes N.C. such a popular place to live. It's not all about money, at least not for me. I also worry if the gubmnt can succesfully regulate, inspect and enforce all the restrictions they may enact............................
 
i hope they dont regulate, restrict or inspect anything. i want $1.88 per gallon gasoline.

is it getting fast tracked, or is it that the opposition doesnt hold water and there is nothing to slow the progress of this legislation?

Cite some references to convince me of the urgent need to fight this. i havent been able to find much on my own. There are some websites out there, but they are just spouting doom and gloom and no real reason to oppose it.
 
no oil involved,only natural gas.as someone who makes a living in natural gas pipeline construction i say let's start fracking.for all of you saying it's bad for the enviroment you need to calm down,the petrolum industry says it's safe and i don't think they are going to lie to us.also as many have stated we have been doing it for 60 years so that means...........well i don't know what the hell that means.the bottom line is yes it is bad for us and if you think you can drink the shit they pump into the ground i'll buy the first round.as long as we use what comes out of the ground it will always go on.not many folks are willing to go back to horse and buggys and chopping wood for heat so what do we do? i have a little tree hugger in me but i also see the reality that we use it as fast as they can pull it out of the ground,so i say again what we gona do?
 
To quote witchdoctor........" what we gonna do "............ it looks like we gonna do alot of frackin,............ Since I goofed w this redundant jibber jabber .....12:27 am :beer: ........... can both of my rants be merged for clarification or posterity ???
 
goofed w this redundant jibber jabber .....12:27 am :beer: ........... can both of my rants be PURGED for clarification or posterity ???
Like Reid said, where does your info come from?
 
here's my guess... they finally allow exploratory drilling, realize it's not worth the hassle for the small volume of gas present... abandon it... Everybody has to go find another band waggon to jump on and protest... maybe they'll try to build another nuclear plan...
 
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