Going to Build a House...Well, Maybe, Hopefully

OnlyOneDR

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Closing on some land about a half an hour a way on Monday. Start of the "dream" my wife and I have for a new house and some property to hobby farm. We would like to build the house, and soon, but clearly that is not the best thing to do with high material prices and labor shortages everywhere. So we talked about waiting at least a year to see what things look like and in the mean time really honing in on a house plan and interviewing builders. I gave up my idea of building a shop at the same time and instead we are going to put the money into a rear walkout full basement since the land is shaped well for it and I can put one or two bays downstairs to go with the attached garage at grade.

So where do you all think this would go? I know mortgage rates are going to creep up but if things like glazing are up 300% right now versus a couple years ago and lumber is still falling then it seems like there will be a crossover point somewhere in the next couple of years where materials will settle and financing rates will not increase that much to make it the "right time" to get a construction loan to start building. I got one data point yesterday from my own realtor who is also trying to get started with the same thing that had a 3500sqft home quoted at ~$600k (and she owns the land already). They also want the full basement which I know is a large single cost item. At $171ish per square foot that puts what we want to build (something around 2200-2400 sqft) at north of $400k. Holy crap, we own the land!

We talked about possibly doing a couple things in advance like clearing the building site, possibly getting temporary power and putting in a well so that we can "visit" the property and make some use of it but then that might not be worth spending cash on and instead rolling it all into the construction loan. I would love to do some of the work on the house but it seems a lot of lenders do not allow the owner to be the GC anymore and quite frankly with a full time job and an infant in the house I see no free time to do things during construction to really make a dent in the cost.

Since we need a place to live we are staying in our house with plans to rent it out afterward which means I need to do a few things to ensure it is up to snuff and reliable as a rental; things I generally need to do anyway but we were putting them off because we want to build a house. Now that unclear timeline is a little less fuzzy.

Opinions? Thoughts? Worst case I will cut a couple trails on the property so I can go play around on it but that is not nearly as satisfying as watching a house come out of the ground.

Side question for anyone that has a clue; I want to do a poured concrete steel deck for floor of the attached garage and pour the foundation walls around the perimeter so I can put the shop bays directly underneath it (doors turned 90° to the rear). Stuff like this is done for smaller parking decks as well as houses that have "safe rooms" and storage rooms under the front porches. I know it can be done but does anyone have any experience with that?
 
The way things are right now, if you want in a house in the next 2 years, better start now. We have been waiting on floor joist and windows since end of August....
 
Windows are 8-12 weeks but we can get joists and trusses in under 4 weeks.

Prices are awful and getting worse but we are still selling house packages and kitchens every week .

Where are you building? Between Jody and I we might be able to help out a fellow NC4x4 member.
 
We’re closing on our property Monday as well. I need to figure out if I can build the shop before the house. It would be beneficial for us in many ways. If you’re planning to have your shop in the basement I hope you’re planning on 10’ walls. One of the builders we were considering is 2yrs out right now. Mind blowing.
 
We’re closing on our property Monday as well. I need to figure out if I can build the shop before the house. It would be beneficial for us in many ways. If you’re planning to have your shop in the basement I hope you’re planning on 10’ walls. One of the builders we were considering is 2yrs out right now. Mind blowing.
I have 10' wall drive out basement garage. It's adequate but if you could go even higher I would. Especially is you plan a lift for jeeps/trucks. Also, if you can do roll up doors do it. By the time you have a traditional track garage door and opener there's not a ton of overhead clearance. Also put twice as many lights as you think you need and make sure your garage doors don't block them when open...
 
I wouldn't build a house with a shop in the basement. Everyone who has that setup told me the fumes from everything come up into the house.
 
If things go like they usually do…I have a feeling that material prices will start to go down right about the day after we finish building this….

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Was told probably 17-20 weeks for the windows we wanted.

I can’t imagine trying to work full time and also work on building a house/clearing land. I’ve been working part time since March so I’ve had a consistent couple days a week with my dad to clear the property and now to help @ramjo with the framing.
 
Windows are 8-12
Who do you know 😳

You mafia?

I'm assuming standard cream/white

Bronze/black have lead times that start in months not weeks.
Garage doors are also measuring in months not weeks

Related: Trane rep came to the office yesterday to tell us that standard split systems (res) as well as package rooftops are now in the 30+week lead time areas and we need to order all summer switch out jobs THIS MONTH if we expect anything to open in August
 
Somebody in another thread mentioned ordering panel garage doors now to be delivered in the spring of 2023!

I couldn't imagine trying to build anything right now, honestly.
 
I wouldn't build a house with a shop in the basement. Everyone who has that setup told me the fumes from everything come up into the house.
I cut, grind, weld, paint in mine and have never had an issue. To pass inspection I had to caulk or great stuff around the perimeter and any puncture in the sheet rock. It's also double layer sheet rock ceiling.
 
Who do you know 😳

You mafia?

I'm assuming standard cream/white

Bronze/black have lead times that start in months not weeks.
Garage doors are also measuring in months not weeks

Related: Trane rep came to the office yesterday to tell us that standard split systems (res) as well as package rooftops are now in the 30+week lead time areas and we need to order all summer switch out jobs THIS MONTH if we expect anything to open in August
30 year relationship with our supplier helps a lot. White only , if you want a color it doubles. We do sell spray paint and tape as well though...
 
I have 10' wall drive out basement garage. It's adequate but if you could go even higher I would. Especially is you plan a lift for jeeps/trucks. Also, if you can do roll up doors do it. By the time you have a traditional track garage door and opener there's not a ton of overhead clearance. Also put twice as many lights as you think you need and make sure your garage doors don't block them when open...
Thanks for the tips but I have other plans for my basement and plenty of space for the shop.
 
Side question for anyone that has a clue; I want to do a poured concrete steel deck for floor of the attached garage and pour the foundation walls around the perimeter so I can put the shop bays directly underneath it (doors turned 90° to the rear). Stuff like this is done for smaller parking decks as well as houses that have "safe rooms" and storage rooms under the front porches. I know it can be done but does anyone have any experience with that?

Worked on house a couple years back that had a garage poured over steel deck....somehow I ended up with a set of plans so heres a little visual info off those plans. Nothing really specific, but it's an idea of what it'll take......it'll be cheap too :lol:

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Worked on house a couple years back that had a garage poured over steel deck....somehow I ended up with a set of plans so heres a little visual info off those plans. Nothing really specific, but it's an idea of what it'll take......it'll be cheap too :lol:

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"As required" let me just shift this responsibility to the contractor to follow the BARE minimum code will allow in order to get a permit. Then make the on site inspection dude liable for any and all failure
 
We’re closing on our property Monday as well. I need to figure out if I can build the shop before the house. It would be beneficial for us in many ways. If you’re planning to have your shop in the basement I hope you’re planning on 10’ walls. One of the builders we were considering is 2yrs out right now. Mind blowing.
Depending on how many acres you are buying, if its over 10 that will not be used for the house, get it put into farm use(mine is in timber managment, I have a plan to select cut hard woods in 20 years). When you do this it is super easy to build your shop first. In Randolph county I could not have acc building before the house, but when they saw the farm use, it was do what you want!
 
Depending on how many acres you are buying, if its over 10 that will not be used for the house, get it put into farm use(mine is in timber managment, I have a plan to select cut hard woods in 20 years). When you do this it is super easy to build your shop first. In Randolph county I could not have acc building before the house, but when they saw the farm use, it was do what you want!
Can you expand on this? I have about 15 acres and really need to get it on an agg exemption, but from what I read early on I'd have a hard time qualifying without some very loose interpretation of the rules. I do have maybe 5-6 acres that is timbered....



From what I've seen here in Rockingham county, if you're a farm you don't need permits for pole barns and other out buildings....which could really open up some possibilities!
 
Can you expand on this? I have about 15 acres and really need to get it on an agg exemption, but from what I read early on I'd have a hard time qualifying without some very loose interpretation of the rules. I do have maybe 5-6 acres that is timbered....



From what I've seen here in Rockingham county, if you're a farm you don't need permits for pole barns and other out buildings....which could really open up some possibilities!

I think for timbered you need 10 acres.

For it to be considered Farm differed you need to produce $1,000 dollars of "product" per 10 acres. You don't have to sell it, just produce it. If you have a field Hay is an easy way to accomplish this.
 
I think for timbered you need 10 acres.

For it to be considered Farm differed you need to produce $1,000 dollars of "product" per 10 acres. You don't have to sell it, just produce it. If you have a field Hay is an easy way to accomplish this.
I need to revisit it all again. I have field, but it's not exactly great for hay. At the same time, I could probably pay a neighbor $1,000 to grow and bale it for me and then sell the hay to him for $1,001.

I've got 50-60 grape and muscadine vines. Maybe I'll get in to the grape selling business!


Edit: This is what the ncdor currently lists:

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Haven't found the forestry requirements yet.


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This is the timber land requirement:

Classification:
Under the present-use value program, "forestland" is defined as land that is a part of a forest unit that is actively engaged in the commercial growing of trees under a sound management program. A forest unit may consist of more than one tract of forestland, but at least one of the tracts must be at least 20 acres in size, be in actual production and must not be included in a farm unit. The remaining tracts can be less than 20 acres in size, but each tract must be in actual production and under a sound management program. Forestland includes wasteland that is a part of the forest unit, but the wasteland included in the unit must be appraised under the use value schedules as wasteland. (Sec. 105-277.3, G.S.; Sec. 105-277.4, G.S)




Hijack of @OnlyOneDR 's thread now complete!
 
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Randolph was 10 acres. I have 28 in timber(hard woods) and we are taking back 4 acres of my fruit trees as part of my plan.
 
I need to revisit it all again. I have field, but it's not exactly great for hay. At the same time, I could probably pay a neighbor $1,000 to grow and bale it for me and then sell the hay to him for $1,001.

I've got 50-60 grape and muscadine vines. Maybe I'll get in to the grape selling business!


Edit: This is what the ncdor currently lists:

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Haven't found the forestry requirements yet.

So the easiest would be find a neighbor that will cut the field and they can keep the hay. You don't have to sell it only produce it and it doesn't matter who produces it. Thats what the tax lady told me. Example i'm bailing hay on my grandparents land now. I'm claiming the income from the hay, so If audited i will just have to show them my farm tax records.


The 10k dollar number is where you get sales tax exempt status and some other benefits.
 
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as others have said, windows, some doors, garage doors, any specialty vinyl soffits, plumbing fixtures the list goes on and on. we are currently looking at average of 8 month lead times for "ordered" products.

under ground wiring to the house site can be around 10.00 a foot once over 200 ft. plus conduit if it is the road way. road grading is easily 80-100 dollars a foot. well i would budget 10,000 same with septic. You can easily spend 75,000 to have a pad for a place and a road to it depending how far off a road you go.

i also think youd be hard pressed to build a house now for under $200 sf.
 

So the easiest would be find a neighbor that will cut the field and they can keep the hay. You don't have to sell it only produce it and it doesn't matter who produces it. Thats what the tax lady told me. Example i'm bailing hay on my grandparents land now. I'm claiming the income from the hay, so If audited i will just have to show them my farm tax records.


The 10k dollar number is where you get sales tax exempt status and some other benefits.
Randolph was 10 acres. I have 28 in timber(hard woods) and we are taking back 4 acres of my fruit trees as part of my plan.

Unless I'm reading that wrong, it's 10 for agriculture and 20 acres for timber. It appears that's set by the state and the county guidelines all mimic the state's.
 
Unless I'm reading that wrong, it's 10 for agriculture and 20 acres for timber. It appears that's set by the state and the county guidelines all mimic the state's.
Came to post that. State rules are 5 acres for botany, 10 for agriculture, and 20 for forestry. Interpretation will certainly vary county to county.
 
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