Gun control is....

getstucksome said:
Even if you had your CCW that would not have been a situation to draw or fire your weapon.
Not trying to nitpick, but I don't carry so I can play cowboy or fire off warning rounds. I carry so I can defend my life if necessary.
Click to expand...


I agree with you. My life was never in "imminant danger". They didn't know I was there. I do think, though that even with as cool of a head as I normally keep, I probably would have done something really stupid had I had a gun.
 
aolegvolk.net_newphotos_youarehere7957_s.jpg
 
ManglerYJ said:
I'm all for allowing people who are in a hazardous occupation (transporting large sums of cash, protecting someone's person, etc) to carry. I'm not so sure I agree with the concept of "carry just because". I know there are bad people out there. I came from the Detroit area and worked in one of the worst parts of the town. I came very close to buying a gun after watching my vehicle get broken into right outside my office. I called the police, but they were in no hurry to get there because I wasn't harmed. I didn't think to "ask" the criminals if they were armed - I assumed they were and stayed inside a locked building until they left. Had I owned a gun, I probably would have pulled it and at least fired a warning shot. That warning shot would have been an "aimed" warning shot so as to not waste the ammo, but since I saw 5 guys, even with 9 rounds - you better not miss. Better to leave the gunplay to the pros.
In the grand scheme of things, insurance covered the damages to my vehicle and aside from my nerves being on edge and a cold ride home with no driver's window, I live to tell the tale.
Click to expand...

Obviously you know nothing about guns...

That's like saying only race car drivers should drive cars that go over 65mph
 
vjw0307 said:
Yep, its open carry...pretty sure anyways.
Click to expand...

NC is open carry. SC is not.

I used to open carry even though I have a CCW. Ted Nugent brought up a good point when asked about SC not supporting open carry. He said what if you have your weapon visible on your hip and you are standing in line in the local stop and rob right when a bad guy with a gun walks in to rob it. Who is he going to shoot first, the unarmed clerk and unarmed customers or they guy with the gun on his hip?. Makes perfect sense to me. I used to carry open once in a while but I have not carried open since I heard that.
 
Great point. Open carry advocates often focus only on the "not hiding my rights" aspect.
Concealed keeps them guessing.

NC is fairly easy to get a CCW.
MA doesn't differentiate, last I heard, between open and concealed. But a carry permit is very difficult to get. Even a permit to have a fun in one's home is not easy. It is up to the local police chief who doesn't need any reason to deny a permit. So if the chief is anti-gun, only his friends get permits. The rest are sitting ducks. And criminals know what towns have anti-gun police chiefs.

Sent from my DROID LXIX using tapakegga
 
customcruiser said:
Obviously you know nothing about guns...
That's like saying only race car drivers should drive cars that go over 65mph
Click to expand...


You are right, I don't know anything about guns. I don't own them, but I have a lot of friends that do. I also know some people that own one yet have no business owning a gun - concealed or not. My 20 year old step-daughter is who comes to mind when I think of someone who has no business owning one. She is a very attractive girl and would be a target most definitely. She also have a VERY hot temper and does things without thinking of consequences. She is also very careless and rather clumsy. If she hasn't had her Adderall - all bets are off on her behavior.

Her father is another that comes to mind, but he does own a handgun. It was specifically placed in their divorce agreement that he doesn't carry his pistol (which is normally in his glove box UNLOCKED) when the girls are with him after an incedent where he was road raging and pulled his gun to scare some people. It worked - it acared his 8 and 12 year old girls who were in the back seat of the truck. His hot temper got him into a bit of trouble that day. The people he was aiming the gun at followed him with re-inforcements. They waited until he got out of the truck and ambushed him when he got out. He had a gun, but they had the element of suprise. He figured that once they got scared, it was over. They beat him unconscious and he never got a chance to pull his gun. All this while his girls watched.

The way I see it, guns are only a deterrant to crime if you are the only one carrying one. The scariest thing I've ever seen is a crackhead with a gun. Completely unpredicatable and will do anything they need to to get their next fix.
 
permit

Does a crack-head apply for a permit? .....:poop:
I think the permit is for most of us SANE LAW-ABIDING folks.. to protect us from CRACK HEADS and goofs like that other fella.

War beast?
 
I also don't want people thinking that I am anti-gun. I'm not. I just personally find myself and my family safer not having one around. I have been very fortunate in my life time to have been able to survive being in areas where being caucasian made me an EXTREME minority (the only one) and been able to walk away unscathed. I've been in a bank while it was being robbed. I've been in a convenience store when random gunshots were fired outside in a driveby between rival gangs. I try to stay away from areas where I feel unsafe - and I've taught the girls to do the same as best I can. Being smart and aware in your environment can avoid a lot of situations where a gun would be needed to protect you from danger.

I now have a 2 year old, a 3 year old a 5 year old, plus the 16 and 20 year old step-daughters in the house. I am fortunate to now live in an area where crime is not a big issue anymore. We have an alarm in the house less to keep people out than it is to keep people in (and kids from wandering outside).

Again, I am not anti-gun....I'm pro-brain.
 
jeepguyp said:
Does a crack-head apply for a permit? .....:poop:
I think the permit is for most of us SANE LAW-ABIDING folks.. to protect us from CRACK HEADS and goofs like that other fella.

War beast?
Click to expand...

Not sure what you are saying about me?

ManglerYJ said:
I also don't want people thinking that I am anti-gun. I'm not. I just personally find myself and my family safer not having one around. I have been very fortunate in my life time to have been able to survive being in areas where being caucasian made me an EXTREME minority (the only one) and been able to walk away unscathed. I've been in a bank while it was being robbed. I've been in a convenience store when random gunshots were fired outside in a driveby between rival gangs. I try to stay away from areas where I feel unsafe - and I've taught the girls to do the same as best I can. Being smart and aware in your environment can avoid a lot of situations where a gun would be needed to protect you from danger.

I now have a 2 year old, a 3 year old a 5 year old, plus the 16 and 20 year old step-daughters in the house. I am fortunate to now live in an area where crime is not a big issue anymore. We have an alarm in the house less to keep people out than it is to keep people in (and kids from wandering outside).

Again, I am not anti-gun....I'm pro-brain.
Click to expand...

You are either pro gun or anti gun there is no middle ground. Let me know how your brain works out when someone is staring at your family with their own weapon.
 
I have never been able to understand the anti gun arguments . Its just a tool nothing more nothing less. Jsut like all my other tools if I don't pick it up and make it work the dang thing will just lay around and do nothing
 
The anti-gun crowd is generally anti-freedom and pro big government. Fun laws only keep guns away from those who obey the law.
Mexico's gun laws only disarmed civilians and erased the line between law and outlaw. Corruption is the rule, not the exception. The drug cartels are heavily armed and slaughter innocent civilians and anyone who dares to stand up to them. And they do so without fear of consequences.
This is what the anti-gun crowd wants for the US. They will never publicly admit it. But given that this is always the result of the policies they support then they must also support turning the US into Mexico.

Sent from my DROID LXIX using tapakegga
 
lugnut said:
I have never been able to understand the anti gun arguments . Its just a tool nothing more nothing less. Jsut like all my other tools if I don't pick it up and make it work the dang thing will just lay around and do nothing
Click to expand...

x2! (and yes, NC is OC friendly, mostly)... Check out OpenCarry.org. The NC board has some good info (including a decent flyer to carry with you, when OCing)
 
TheWarBeast said:
You are either pro gun or anti gun there is no middle ground. Let me know how your brain works out when someone is staring at your family with their own weapon.
Click to expand...


I'm not sure I'm following your arguement... Is that to say that those that do not own a gun are anti-gun by default? As the other poster said, the gun is just a tool. It isn't inherently good or bad - therefore where I see the middle ground. I don't feel that everyone should own one, but those who choose to and are metally balenced law abiding citizens should be allowed to if they so choose.

Cars are not inherently good or evil either, but that doesn't stop people from using them to hurt others, too. There is a case here in Lexington of a rather hot-headed individual that got into an argument with someone in line for an ATM. Words were exchanged and this guy pins the other between their two trucks crushing some internal organs and placing him in intensive care at the hospital. He used what he had. If I had to guess, if he had a gun on him, he would have pulled it. If he had a knife handy, he may have pulled it, too.

Now, that being said... there is another side of this that has always bugged me. For the longest time - and I think it's being addressed now in the court system is the right to protect your personal property. I remember several court cases in Detroit when I lived there of someone breaking into someone's house, getting shot in the process and then suing the homeowner. That's just straight up B.S. It is my contention that if someone is breaking into your house armed or not, deserves to be dispatched with extreme prejudice. At that point, they are breaking and entering and they forfeited their rights the minute the threshold was crossed. I guess that would make me pro-gun. I still won't get one, though.
 
ManglerYJ said:
I'm not sure I'm following your arguement... Is that to say that those that do not own a gun are anti-gun by default? As the other poster said, the gun is just a tool. It isn't inherently good or bad - therefore where I see the middle ground. I don't feel that everyone should own one, but those who choose to and are metally balenced law abiding citizens should be allowed to if they so choose.

Cars are not inherently good or evil either, but that doesn't stop people from using them to hurt others, too. There is a case here in Lexington of a rather hot-headed individual that got into an argument with someone in line for an ATM. Words were exchanged and this guy pins the other between their two trucks crushing some internal organs and placing him in intensive care at the hospital. He used what he had. If I had to guess, if he had a gun on him, he would have pulled it. If he had a knife handy, he may have pulled it, too.

Now, that being said... there is another side of this that has always bugged me. For the longest time - and I think it's being addressed now in the court system is the right to protect your personal property. I remember several court cases in Detroit when I lived there of someone breaking into someone's house, getting shot in the process and then suing the homeowner. That's just straight up B.S. It is my contention that if someone is breaking into your house armed or not, deserves to be dispatched with extreme prejudice. At that point, they are breaking and entering and they forfeited their rights the minute the threshold was crossed. I guess that would make me pro-gun. I still won't get one, though.
Click to expand...

Since you have already stated that you know nothing about firearms - it would lead me to believe that you know nothing of their use or their effectiveness in reducing crime. AN armed society is a polite society. Did you know that the state of Utah has the highest per-capita of CCW holders and they also have the lowest per-capita crime rate.
Washington DC had effectively banned all firearms from the city. Guess who had the highest crime rate in the nation.

I carry a gun daily. My work involves dealing with cash and everyone knows that I carry that cash. They also know that I carry a gun. NC is an open carry state and I wear it right on my hip for God and everyone to see. I have never had a problem even in the worst neighbor hoods in Charlotte.

Many years ago my ex wife and I were leaving church after service one night. It was pitch dark. As I pulled out of the parking lot, for whatever reason I turned left and instead of going in to my lane I cut it short in to the oncoming lane. When I did a black mustang - with no headlights on shot past my passengers side at over 100 MPH. About a mile down the road he was waiting in a parking lot. As I passed he pulled out behind me and tailgated me to a stoplight. Due to traffic I had to stop. He pulled up next to me and came around the front of his car with a large knife in his hand. I simply turned on my dome light and placed my .45 on the dash. HE put the knife away and got in his car, ran the light, and sped away.

What would have happened had I not been armed? He would have smashed the window and I would have been helpless to escape.

Now tell me that firearms are all dangerous and people just shoot up the city because they have one.

Would the altercation at the ATM have been different had the victim had a firearm. Absolutely.

The constitution clearly states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The original wording to that amendment was, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

IT is very clear that the framers of the constitution intended for an armed populace to be a deterrent to tyranny.

Alexander Hamilton : f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude[,] that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens,”



Noah Webster :Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.


The private citizen being armed is not only to prevent crime, it is to protect the citizenry from those in government who would rule over us with an iron fist. The anti-gunners persistent ongoing efforts to remove firearms from the people is nothing more than an attempt to control the people. If no one can resist then no one can hinder their ideals.


My firearms are more than just a way to protect my family, they are to protect my country, not necessarily from the forces of evil outside the country, but from that evil that lurks deep in government and seeks to take all of our freedoms and liberty’s away. They have eroded enough already. It is high time for the people of this country to realize that big government wants your guns, so they can have you.
 
When I read the title of this thread, it reminded me of a sticker that used to be on my old Jeep, way back when it was a DD.

Gun Control....
is
Hitting what you aim at!

that said, I think the Sheriff is right, but everyone who carrys one, should definatly know how to use it.
Maybe he should give free lessons, for all who need to learn.
 
Back
Top