I got a seat belt ticket because I’m too short to wear my seatbelt properly and this is America!!

obullfish said:
I’ll take my chances and continue to do what I do. I’ve had a few friends killed wearing their seatbelts that had a good chance of surviving if they weren’t wearing them.

I will say if you are ever riding with me and you see me put mine on you better buckle the hell up as it’s about to be a wild ride.
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Why? You just said you're better off not wearing it :confused:
 
Random thought...does the president wear his seatbelt when he's riding around in the limo?
 
UTfball68 said:
Randomer thought...why does a bus driver have a seat belt, but no one else on bus does???
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Easy, gotta hold em in the seat so they can keep the bus under control (just ask Keanu Reeves)!
 
something you probably never think about, but the states all have different seatbelt laws concerning RVs.

are you supposed to keep a map on the dash and high light the states where you can remove your seatbelt and move freely about the cabin?
 
Reid said:
something you probably never think about, but the states all have different seatbelt laws concerning RVs.

are you supposed to keep a map on the dash and high light the states where you can remove your seatbelt and move freely about the cabin?
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You mean like you already have to for carrying firearms? Yep.
 
UTfball68 said:
Randomer thought...why does a bus driver have a seat belt, but no one else on bus does???
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Compartmentalization.

Studies suggest wearing a seat belt improperly (like @Dylan W. ) can be more dangerous. Therefore, school buses are designed to keep the passenger in a compartment in the event of an accident.
 
GotWood said:
Compartmentalization.

Studies suggest wearing a seat belt improperly (like @Dylan W. ) can be more dangerous. Therefore, school buses are designed to keep the passenger in a compartment in the event of an accident.
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Not to mention it's hard to try and regain control of a bus to keep from going over a bridge or something if you're laying on the floor in a crumpled heap.

There's a dashcam video floating around where a dumptruck demolished a house between angier and Lillington on nc210. It was t boned by a Ford Taurus. Driver lost control and tore down the house. He claimed on the news after it happened that not being belted in saved his life because he stayed on the floor of the truck. If he'd been belted in though he probably could have steered the truck and the people would still have their house instead of an empty lot now.

Edit:here's the video
 
Tim C said:
Not to mention it's hard to try and regain control of a bus to keep from going over a bridge or something if you're laying on the floor in a crumpled heap.

There's a dashcam video floating around where a dumptruck demolished a house between angier and Lillington on nc210. It was t boned by a Ford Taurus. Driver lost control and tore down the house. He claimed on the news after it happened that not being belted in saved his life because he stayed on the floor of the truck. If he'd been belted in though he probably could have steered the truck and the people would still have their house instead of an empty lot now.

Edit:here's the video
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That's an excellent video to show how quickly things happen. I've watched it 10 times and still can't see any sign of a car coming that would have t-boned him.
 
It was an early 90s Taurus if I remember correctly, drunk and ran a stop sign hit him squarely in the right side drive axles. Basically PIT manuvered a dump truck. But there's enough time before hitting bthe house he may have been able to steer away if he hadn't been thrown out of his seat. This happened about 20 minutes from my house.

There's a stop light there now and no house. Central harnett high School is to the left of this intersection.
 
obullfish said:
What I mean is it’s my damn choice to wear it when I want.
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Sure.
But if you get in an accident and arent wearing it can hospitals refuse to treat you and insurance refuse to cover you so my costs don't go up?

This thread opens my eyes a lot. Sure there are rare, individual incidents where not wearing a seatbelt may be better than wearing one. Those are called statistical anomalies. Folks claiming that seat belts arent safer sound just like folks claiming cigarettes arent unhealthy. You are entitled to your opinion, just understand that the rest of the civilized educated population is laughing at you and altering their opinion of your inteligence.
 
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Ron said:
Sure.
But if you get in an accident and arent wearing it can hospitals refuse to treat you and insurance refuse to cover you so my costs don't go up?

This thread opens my eyes a lot. Sure there are rare, individual incidents where not wearing a seatbelt may be better than wearing one. Those are called statistical anomalies. Folks claiming that seat belts arent safer sound just like folks claiming cigarettes arent unhealthy. You are entitled to your opinion, just understand that the rest of the civilized educated population is laughing at you and altering their opinion of your inteligence.
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Ok let me try to address some of this although it's probably a waste of my time.

I didnt see anyone state not wearing a seat belt is safer. My arguement is against blanket statements that "it's this and only this." Surviving an accident is probabilities.(not an anomaly) It depends on the crash, circumstances, severity etc as to whether a seatbelts affects the outcome i.e life or death. Yes statistically safer (as already stated)

The other arguement seems to be that it should be a person's right to choose. I think this could start a whole thread on government overreach.

A person's opinion differing from yours does not means they are less educated, intelligent, or civilized than you. We could ask people to post their scores on standardized tests to establish a base line if you like. Let's start with yours.

By your reasoning, should a hospital have the right to refuse say a morbidly obese person so my insurance doesn't rise? Morbid obesity is defined as being 100lbs overweight.
 
sawdoff said:
Ok let me try to address some of this although it's probably a waste of my time.

I didnt see anyone state not wearing a seat belt is safer. My arguement is against blanket statements that "it's this and only this." Surviving an accident is probabilities.(not an anomaly) It depends on the crash, circumstances, severity etc as to whether a seatbelts affects the outcome i.e life or death. Yes statistically safer (as already stated)

The other arguement seems to be that it should be a person's right to choose. I think this could start a whole thread on government overreach.

A person's opinion differing from yours does not means they are less educated, intelligent, or civilized than you. We could ask people to post their scores on standardized tests to establish a base line if you like. Let's start with yours.

By your reasoning, should a hospital have the right to refuse say a morbidly obese person so my insurance doesn't rise? Morbid obesity is defined as being 100lbs overweight.
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I enjoy the conversation so it isnt a waste of your time if nothing else you are entertaining me.

I'm not opposed to posting standardized test scores.
1370 SAT (on a 1600 scale in 1995) and 171 LSAT...though I never enrolled in law school.

Your turn... ;)

But I dont understand your point. It is statistically safer to wear your seat belt for you and unequivocally safer for everyone else for you to wear your seat belt. You are many times more likely to survive an accident if you are buckled up and infinitely times more likely to injure someone else if you dont. If you are thrown from the vehicle you lose control of the vehicle and your body becomes a projectile.

Im a pretty big freedom and personal rights dude. Damn near Libertarian in many ways. I actually think seat belt usage should not be legally mandated. I also think insurance should not be legally mandated. I think in either case if you have an accident a doctor should be allowed to watch you die without remorse or responsibility to save your ass IF you cant afford to pay for the treatment. Same goes for your obesity argument. You are talking to a dude who has gone from 135lbs over weight to 70lbs over in the last 6 months. Ive gone from morbidly obese (actually I was "super obese" - the category past morbidly) to just plain ole regular obese. If I had a weight related health issue I would have fully accepted a doctor refusing treatment if I couldnt pay him for the services...Id also be fine with insurance charging me more. They already did for life and supplemental health insurance.

You will get no argument from me on government over reach abolish the whole damn thing.

But I will re-itterate if you think you are safer not wearing a seat belt I personally (and many others) will judge you of a certain mental capacity or worthiness. It would be akin to saying being morbidly obese is healthier than being fit. I mean sure an end stage AIDS patient may be in a healthy weight range yet be less healthy than a morbidly obese person without other compounding factors. Does that mean the morbidly obese person is healthy? No they are just healthier than the AIDS patient. The exceptions dont change the rule they reinforce it. But in your example since a skinny person might have AIDS it is reasonable to get morbidly obese for health purposes.
 
All I’m gonna say is, here I am minding my own business, cruising to Sheetz for a breakfast bagel for dinner tonight. I’m cruising along at 52mph, some twatwaffle in the oncoming turn lane decides she wants to turn in front of me, but apparently doesn’t see me...and when she does see me, panic stops and freezes in the middle of the intersection. As I’m trying to compute the best evasive move without hitting another car or the twat a couple lengths in front of me, I’m just glad I didn’t have to try to figure out what my odds of injury/survival were in each scenario since I was wearing my seat belt.

***Disclaimer, no Ben’s were injured during the sequence of this narrative...but there were more skid marks than just in the road.

Edit...oh and a sheetz bagel with sausage/hash browns/fried egg/pepper jack on it is delicious...fight me.
 
UTfball68 said:
All I’m gonna say is, here I am minding my own business, cruising to Sheetz for a breakfast bagel for dinner tonight. I’m cruising along at 52mph, some twatwaffle in the oncoming turn lane decides she wants to turn in front of me, but apparently doesn’t see me...and when she does see me, panic stops and freezes in the middle of the intersection. As I’m trying to compute the best evasive move without hitting another car or the twat a couple lengths in front of me, I’m just glad I didn’t have to try to figure out what my odds of injury/survival were in each scenario since I was wearing my seat belt.

***Disclaimer, no Ben’s were injured during the sequence of this narrative...but there were more skid marks than just in the road.

Edit...oh and a sheetz bagel with sausage/hash browns/fried egg/pepper jack on it is delicious...fight me.
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Well, damn! Now I need to go to Sheetz! What kind of bagel did you go with?
 
Ron said:
I enjoy the conversation so it isnt a waste of your time if nothing else you are entertaining me.

I'm not opposed to posting standardized test scores.
1370 SAT (on a 1600 scale in 1995) and 171 LSAT...though I never enrolled in law school.

Your turn... ;)

But I dont understand your point. It is statistically safer to wear your seat belt for you and unequivocally safer for everyone else for you to wear your seat belt. You are many times more likely to survive an accident if you are buckled up and infinitely times more likely to injure someone else if you dont. If you are thrown from the vehicle you lose control of the vehicle and your body becomes a projectile.

Im a pretty big freedom and personal rights dude. Damn near Libertarian in many ways. I actually think seat belt usage should not be legally mandated. I also think insurance should not be legally mandated. I think in either case if you have an accident a doctor should be allowed to watch you die without remorse or responsibility to save your ass IF you cant afford to pay for the treatment. Same goes for your obesity argument. You are talking to a dude who has gone from 135lbs over weight to 70lbs over in the last 6 months. Ive gone from morbidly obese (actually I was "super obese" - the category past morbidly) to just plain ole regular obese. If I had a weight related health issue I would have fully accepted a doctor refusing treatment if I couldnt pay him for the services...Id also be fine with insurance charging me more. They already did for life and supplemental health insurance.

You will get no argument from me on government over reach abolish the whole damn thing.

But I will re-itterate if you think you are safer not wearing a seat belt I personally (and many others) will judge you of a certain mental capacity or worthiness. It would be akin to saying being morbidly obese is healthier than being fit. I mean sure an end stage AIDS patient may be in a healthy weight range yet be less healthy than a morbidly obese person without other compounding factors. Does that mean the morbidly obese person is healthy? No they are just healthier than the AIDS patient. The exceptions dont change the rule they reinforce it. But in your example since a skinny person might have AIDS it is reasonable to get morbidly obese for health purposes.
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I don't understand the breakdown in communication , you continue to argue/debate a point that has not been contested.

Again no one said its safer to not wear a seat belt.

Points have been made that wearing a seatbelts is not an absolute and that it should be a persons decision. Ideas to cause thought and reflection. I brought up obesity because I assumed you would reflect on your own life to see how wrong a blanket statement about a persons right to medical help should not rest on whether their own actions caused their current issues.

I don't understand how you derive entertainment if its apparent we are not discussing the same points. It may help if you could show me who and where it was stated that not w wearing a seat belt increases your safety.
 
So what's the deal with black people?







Sorry, wrong thread. What were we talking about?
 
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