Just my thoughts

[danielsapp414]

As for the board, we get about two of these little incidents a year from people who decide that they have rights over land that is not their own.

Ooh, so i see...this site has been up long enough that you have some statistics now? Can you scan those on here for me? I just don't believe you. What classifies something as a "little incident"? I guess nc4x4 has become the NC Trail Police. I was also wondering if you had a little judicial affairs office that handles all of these incredibly important matters that make such a difference in the world.


By the way is the coolest...i mean giving the finger in person is pussy enough, but yet some are at a whole nother level of giving it behind the computer. I know its just a joke and all in many cases but really. WOW.

 

[RufusTheRam]

listen up dipshit...

Ooh, so i see...this site has been up long enough that you have some statistics now?

yeah, i'd say in the ~2-3 years that i've been on here he's dead on with that "statistic". it's always some stupid jackass who has no respect for things that belong to other people, and is too blind to see the problem with what they're doing.

I guess nc4x4 has become the NC Trail Police.

somebody has to do it. who better than the people that 4 wheel in this state? law enforcement sure doesn't have the time or resources to do it.

I was also wondering if you had a little judicial affairs office that handles all of these incredibly important matters that make such a difference in the world.

are you really that damn ignorant? you think riding on private land without permission doesn't have ANY effect on our chosen hobby?

By the way is the coolest...i mean giving the finger in person is pussy enough, but yet some are at a whole nother level of giving it behind the computer. I know its just a joke and all in many cases but really. WOW.

it is joking, all of the time. if it wasn't, this one would be flying

 

[Joel]

Ooh, so i see...this site has been up long enough that you have some statistics now? Can you scan those on here for me? I just don't believe you. What classifies something as a "little incident"? I guess nc4x4 has become the NC Trail Police. I was also wondering if you had a little judicial affairs office that handles all of these incredibly important matters that make such a difference in the world.


By the way is the coolest...i mean giving the finger in person is pussy enough, but yet some are at a whole nother level of giving it behind the computer. I know its just a joke and all in many cases but really. WOW.

Have you seen this one?

 

[danielsapp414]

yeah, i'd say in the ~2-3 years

you call that scientific or even the least bit reliable? the percent error using that has got to be astronomical.

all im sayin as far as private land wheelin is if you can do it and youve been told its alright by people that matter than go for it. if not don't, i didnt try to promote it or anything, i just know that i can drive my car into and through tons of places you wouldnt have a chance at because i have permission and know how to go about getting shit done, a tactic most of ya'll have yet to understand.

Have you seen this one?

wow, i bet you're feeling real good in your cubicle or home right now...i mean really, i do know however that employers offer promotions to the employees that spend the most time on nc4x4 and other cool sites. don't you have a job in the real world to do? I bet you'd feel like shit if you told someone that and they did kill themselves. Maybe you should work on analyzing how to get a promotion instead of analyzing how to moderate four wheeling on the internet...Its the older people that screwed up all the land access in the first place, hence all the trail closures in the mountains, etc. that happened before half of the people on here that you are hating for trail closures happening were born. All we have had in our lifetime is who we know, great ole URE Tellico and a few other select places. Ya'll had most anywhere you wanted.

 

[kilby]

Its the older people that screwed up all the land access in the first place, hence all the trail closures in the mountains, etc. that happened before half of the people on here that you are hating for trail closures happening were born.

You got any statistics to back that up?

I'll use your own words to refute that to be sure you can understand why you sound like a dumb ass:

you call that scientific or even the least bit reliable? the percent error using that has got to be astronomical.

 

[irocka'camper]

Wow, I think everyone here has taken things way out of line. Whats with all the hostillity?, Plus I thought there was no cursing here anyway. And a major thumbs up to the guy who said, "nc trail police", I got a good giggle out of that.

 

[danielsapp414]

lets see...

Us old farts in the Carolina Trailblazers rode the Shortoff area and the Dobson Knob area off the other side of the gorge for many years. Have ridden the trails from Dobson Knob Road (FR106) down to US221 before those were gated.

One example. Sure, dirtbikes may have contributed but it is to the best of my knowledge more disturbing to see a four wheel drive vehicle out on some land than it is to see a dirt bike. Maybe some people did not work hard enough back then to keep the trails open and help the ones closing them realize that its not all four wheel drive vehicles and now to the best of my knowledge, I see that it is the next generation of people that are suffering because of the negligence of the ones before them. All of this and the ones having to deal with the previous screw up are not being helped by the others but rather are being torn down and basically told they are worthless.

I'll use your own words to refute that to be sure you can understand why you sound like a dumb ass:

You only use my words because you don't really know what percent error is. They teach that in high school...dumbass.

 

[Trebissky]

Sounds like someone else is trying very hard to be cordially invited not to post here any more...

 

[kilby]

You throwing around borrowed mathematics terminology, but refusing to use it to evaluate your own statements makes me the dumb ass?

 

[tkeaton]

in other news....

i had to be on campus an extra 2 and a half hours early today for a damn review session for which the professor did not attend

 

[hobie]

Ooh, so i see...this site has been up long enough that you have some statistics now? Can you scan those on here for me? I just don't believe you. What classifies something as a "little incident"? I guess nc4x4 has become the NC Trail Police. I was also wondering if you had a little judicial affairs office that handles all of these incredibly important matters that make such a difference in the world.


By the way is the coolest...i mean giving the finger in person is pussy enough, but yet some are at a whole nother level of giving it behind the computer. I know its just a joke and all in many cases but really. WOW.

No need to scan, searching is quite useful. If you have trouble, please let me know and I'll show you how to use the search tool. While we do not have the old board database easily available to the public, Rob can dig up the records if you are doing something other than complaining out of ignorance. For now, please feel free to search for people banned. The primary reason we block people from coming here is because of illegal wheeling.

For example, this spring someone was banned for bragging about illegal wheeling near Charlotte. And while to us these incidents are small, some of the situations are a big deal to the land owners. I can think of one location where the land owners were afraid to go out in their own back yard on the weekend or at night. Here is a challenge for you, think of reasons why we would want to show landowners that read the board that this behavior is unacceptable. Ask yourself why we would want our fellow wheelers to respect others. Ask yourself how hard would it be for DPG (a well-known example) to stay open if the landowners got wind of people sharing the location and breaking in at night or on weekends uninvited? getting drunk and trashing the place?

J

As for the icons, neither nor are useful in a serious conversation.

 

[danielsapp414]

Sounds like someone else is trying very hard to be cordially invited not to post here any more...

no, not at all although this is no longer a forum but a handful of people that flex their modertator muscles on the internet because in real life they are unable stand up to anyone opposing their ideas in person so they just shut people down on here.

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above is the definition of a forum. Lately, the way this "forum" has been run is that if the moderators disagree with someone's ideas they remove them from the site. If that is how you wish to run this, so be it, but rename the site so that you are not misleading as to what this is, because according to definition, a forum is a medium, a place for open discussion that everyone's ideas should be heard in no matter how much they contradict your own. People can respond and refute those ideas and that is the entire logic and meaning behind the forum. If you have a problem with people saying what they want, then get rid of the site. Otherwise, people should have the freedom to say what they want to how they want. Sure some people will be assholes, but maybe if everyone else realized how a forum works and what it is, then it could function better and you would not have to deal with bullshit threads like this one. I garuntee if you did not milk all the controversy you can and splooge your pants over it and get all upset and threaten to ban people and ban them etc..., then there would be next to no shit talking and arguing and this forum would really help out people instead of just pissing everyone off and being a waste of space on the internet.

As far as people such as landowners viewing the forum etc. I believe that if they saw an open honest discussion of topics and adults using their heads to solve their issues instead of people constantly discussing who will get banned for what and who's done what wrong that it will promote a better image. If they see that "offroaders" can resolve their problems and issues with wheeling illegally by counseling and talking about how and why it hurts people rather than blocking people or yelling at them, then they will know that if something were to happen on their land that they may open or keep open to wheeling that it would be handled in a controlled and respectful manner rather than havin idiots arguing over the internet about it. Also, instead of arguing, inquire if there is something questionable about somewhere that you want to wheel, go through someone that knows and find out what the deal is in that place...there is actually a chance that some places besides dpg, ure, tellico, and calliente are legal. Just ask first.



Hopefully that makes a little sense. I just think that this is really out of hand and rediculous and something needs to change on here.

 

[Trebissky]

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Just so everyone's clear...

 

[RufusTheRam]

no, not at all although this is no longer a forum but a handful of people that flex their modertator muscles on the internet because in real life they are unable stand up to anyone opposing their ideas in person so they just shut people down on here.

i'm not a mod, but i'll be more than happy to call you an asshat in person too.

above is the definition of a forum

it's a PRIVATE forum, not PUBLIC. wtf don't you get about that?

you call that scientific or even the least bit reliable? the percent error using that has got to be astronomical.

does it really matter? so what if it happens 2 times a year or 4 times a year... the point was, it rarely happens and when it does it's an immature clueless idiot such as yourself.

wow, i bet you're feeling real good in your cubicle or home right now...i mean really, i do know however that employers offer promotions to the employees that spend the most time on nc4x4 and other cool sites. don't you have a job in the real world to do?

do you even have a job? i doubt it. maybe some of us work good jobs that afford us the luxery of goofing around on the internet off and on between getting our work done.

Its the older people that screwed up all the land access in the first place, hence all the trail closures in the mountains, etc. that happened before half of the people on here that you are hating for trail closures happening were born. All we have had in our lifetime is who we know, great ole URE Tellico and a few other select places. Ya'll had most anywhere you wanted.

that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. so because people older than us didn't take care of the land, we should just say screw it and do as we please? as the next generation, we should be doing everything we can to reverse the poor decisions our elders may have made.

 

[RufusTheRam]

If they see that "offroaders" can resolve their problems and issues with wheeling illegally by counseling and talking about how and why it hurts people rather than blocking people or yelling at them, then they will know that if something were to happen on their land that they may open or keep open to wheeling that it would be handled in a controlled and respectful manner rather than havin idiots arguing over the internet about it.

it's too late to play "nice guy" about this stuff. that's been tryed for years, with no results. we can't afford to do that anymore, we need results even if that means banning people, yelling, reporting them to the police, whatever... we need to make a strong statement to the outside world that we have nothing to do with people that can't show some respect and follow the rules.

 

[SHINTON]

This has been brought up multiple times, the LIGON MILL thread being the last. Here is the final thoughts on this from a REAL ESTATE agent, based on his expert knowledge and that of his daughter (CPA/Atty/Real Estate agent)

One more time. The property where power lines and sewer lines are located are very seldom owned by the utility companies or municipalities. If they were, they wouldn't be called rights-of-way (plural of right-of-way).

There is a deeded right-of-way clause involved that is part of the property deed, and the agreement is very specific in what either party involved can do with the property in question.

While there is the possibilty that the property owner has actually given permission to someone to use the property for some purpose, he/she may need to re-read his/her right-of-way document and see if that activity is actually legal. It ain't very likely that 4 wheeling activities would be legal judging from the right-of-way agreements on our properties in Orange (NC), Mecklenburg (VA), and Albemarle (VA) counties.

Just to summarize, power companies do not own the land, cannot give permission, which I think was pointed out by both sides on this thread.

Secondly...LAND OWNERS have a deed to the property with a right of way clause that is VERY SPECIFIC on what the ACTUAL land owner can do on that part of their land.

"4x4ing" on the powerline itself (down the trail built BY the power company, etc) is likely a violation of that agreement since it would/could be detrimental to the trail condition.

[In other words big tires churning up the road into a big mud pit makes it harder for the power companies to get thru, THUS, that is a direct violation of the legal right of way granted by the State of NC]

So...private land, written permission, VERY COOL BY US... private land, but riding on "right of way" is not legal...no matter IF the land owner said you could...

I hope that helps to clarify what/why we have always come down AGAINST riding on those here on the board. WE LOVE RIDING ON private land with permission, legally! Heck I am hoping to be at the DPG this coming weekend and that is a great example of permission/legal wheeling working!

Sam

 

[Trebissky]

All of the above having been said...

Also, instead of arguing, inquire if there is something questionable about somewhere that you want to wheel, go through someone that knows and find out what the deal is in that place...there is actually a chance that some places besides dpg, ure, tellico, and calliente are legal. Just ask first.

He actually DOES have a point there. Thing is... so did the guy who asked to see that written permission. Why?

Because maybe if THAT guy could get written permission to use that land for wheeling, then OTHER people might be able to as well... such as, oh, I don't know... an OFF-ROADER CLUB, possibly?

 

[hobie]

Stop the pissing contest. Daniel, if you want to try to understand why we do something, please feel free to contact your sponsor in person.

J

 

[SHINTON]

As far as people such as landowners viewing the forum etc. I believe that if they saw an open honest discussion of topics and adults using their heads to solve their issues...etc

Daniel...that would be nice, but we LOST a large piece of land in the state that was being developed by a fellow 4x4er, who actually had permission from the land owner. In fact he actually BOUGHT some land himself that would have acted as a base camp etc for us.

The landowner (that owned most of the land the trails would have been located on), saw some of the threads ON HERE and other local forums and changed his mind about opening up this land.

This was about 6-8 months ago...THIS is why we are VERY sensitive to what is posted here and try to be proactive. Land owners DO read this board and then see posts from folks saying "they are gonna ride no matter what" etc and next thing you know no one can go there.

Try to understand it from the other side if you can... we want to be on the side of the land owners...

I really wish we could discuss it as you suggested and we are open to this...but IF the ride is obviously illegal we cannot even consider it.

Anyway, hope this helps you understand where we are coming from...we have LOST rights to land because of people riding places they shouldn't and posting it up on the net...

Sam