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LeadNav is the future.

$150 app + $150 GPS puck + your old iPad. I experienced it in person, it's like adding a co-driver navigator to the single seat cars. Photo realistic. It's unreal.
 
Dylan W. said:
My comment doesn't change..lol
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I'm well under 50, even once finished, and safety gear. But I didn't buy an ass load of new shit either. Even if I upgraded to 4400 status with bypasses, more hp, 4 more tires and wheels, and a better transmission (of which I've already picked up a built 4l80 that will probably make its way in before I'm done) I will still be under. Given, that doesn't include travel and such, or making a run at competing the entire series...I'm just talking one shot, one time...just because....

If everything I've used was all new, completely different story...


Fortunately I am able to do 95%of the work myself.

Matt
 
mcutler said:
Depends on how much labor you do yourself...

Matt
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I agree with above post. Unless you are using junkyard or secondhand parts, and all the labor yourself, it can't be done for under 50k. I've spent the past couple of days adding it up. It might be time for me to go back racing with Will. But I'm planning for 4800 class, can't afford to run with 4400s.

Quick numbers for you
Shocks and bumps 6k
Engine 8k
Trans 2k
Atlas 3k
Steering 2k
Tires 3k
Wheels 3k
Axles 10k
Seats 1k
Comms 1k
Links 2k
Swaybars 1k
Cooling 1k
Wiring 1k
Driveshafts 1k
iPad gps setup 1k

There's 46k, I was low on some of my parts, and there are a lot of parts missing, including chassis.


My initial numbers are slightly higher than above, and I'm budgeting mid grade parts. There were guys racing 4800 with 25k engines. Look at the jimmys 4500 ifs car, bet it goes 200k.

If you are great at marketing yourself, you might see a 30% discount from some parts vendors.



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mcutler said:
I'm well under 50, even once finished, and safety gear. But I didn't buy an ass load of new shit either. Even if I upgraded to 4400 status with bypasses, more hp, 4 more tires and wheels, and a better transmission (of which I've already picked up a built 4l80 that will probably make its way in before I'm done) I will still be under. Given, that doesn't include travel and such, or making a run at competing the entire series...I'm just talking one shot, one time...just because....

If everything I've used was all new, completely different story...


Fortunately I am able to do 95%of the work myself.

Matt
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Matt, I'll ask again, how much you want for completed manche? [emoji51]


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tw89yj said:
I agree with above post. Unless you are using junkyard or secondhand parts, and all the labor yourself, it can't be done for under 50k. I've spent the past couple of days adding it up. It might be time for me to go back racing with Will. But I'm planning for 4800 class, can't afford to run with 4400s.

Quick numbers for you
Shocks and bumps 6k
Engine 8k
Trans 2k
Atlas 3k
Steering 2k
Tires 3k
Wheels 3k
Axles 10k
Seats 1k
Comms 1k
Links 2k
Swaybars 1k
Cooling 1k
Wiring 1k
Driveshafts 1k
iPad gps setup 1k

There's 46k, I was low on some of my parts, and there are a lot of parts missing, including chassis.


My initial numbers are slightly higher than above, and I'm budgeting mid grade parts. There were guys racing 4800 with 25k engines. Look at the jimmys 4500 ifs car, bet it goes 200k.

If you are great at marketing yourself, you might see a 30% discount from some parts vendors.



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Yep, I'm only looking at 4800 myself as well. I've been very fortunate on my parts finds. For example; If I price tagged my axles as new, with the 300 ctm guts and mega third, they would be well over 15k, I'm at roughly half that..and the wheels were included in the package...

So far I've bought very little new retail items, and I have had great vendors give me some nice discounts on what new I have bought.


Now I just gotta get done and get my ass out there....





Matt
 
mcutler said:
Depends on how much labor you do yourself...

Matt
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Your own labor really isn't free. You could be using it to make $ instead of making parts.



That's one of the deciding factors why chris had done all of my recent fab work. For what it costs me for chris to do the work versus the amount of time I would have to put in it and not earning $. Well, I'd have twice the $ in it if you count opportunity cost lost by me working on the buggy.
 
I've spoken with a few of the top builders and the quotes I received were $225k for a pretty basic ifs car that a half decent driver could top 10 with. $275k - $300k for an ifs car that could push for the podium. And around $165k for a solid axle car that has components strong enough to handle the beating out there.


As far as marketing, anyone on this board should be able to get the discount % Travis mentioned of you are racing a series. I will say this though, getting fully sponsored by the bigger companies is getting tougher and tougher.

There are actually algorithms being used now that determines your worth: races finished, podiums, race schedule, national footprint, Facebook likes, Twitter/instagram followers, television appearances, magazine presence are all put into a spreadsheet and through some formulas out pops your "worth as an investment".
 
rockcity said:
Your own labor really isn't free. You could be using it to make $ instead of making parts.



That's one of the deciding factors why chris had done all of my recent fab work. For what it costs me for chris to do the work versus the amount of time I would have to put in it and not earning $. Well, I'd have twice the $ in it if you count opportunity cost lost by me working on the buggy.
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I sure wasted a lot of years learning how to do this fab stuff then.


If the hourly rate I make working my job, is less than "X" charges me building a buggy , equal hours...I'm making money doing it myself-if I'm equally efficient...[emoji6]

All kidding aside, I don't pay myself enough[emoji33].

Matt

Time away from family can be a kicker though
 
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Like @REDLYNER said, pretty much anyone that runs a series and competes can get some discount from vendors. He has built a very impressive sponsorship packet and business plan. I went through the same thing with the dirtbike, did it with the mtn bike thing years ago as well. Some time spent creating a short Bio, race resume and 2017 schedule netted me anywhere between 30-50% off. The only company to totally deny any support was Maxxis. For the grassroots/amateur racer, most of your obligation fulfillment comes from social media and real estate on the vehicle. Posts, hashtags etc. It is all cheap advertising for the company. But also, like Jay said, a number of companies are starting to do some serious digging into the analytics of ROI and overall brand exposure. You really have to treat it like a business and expect a level of professionalism from both sides. If they see you are putting in the work and not just looking for a handout, you'll be a lot more well received.
 
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