Legalize It?????

Legalize Pot???

  • No

    Votes: 38 33.0%

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 47.8%

  • Its about time

    Votes: 22 19.1%
  • Total voters
    115
Im not for legalizing. But I was just thinking what it would take to produce it and process it for sale. Being that it is addictive, and usable in an unprocessed state, the farms growing it would need to be completely fenced, and guarded to keep people from stealing it. Can you imagine the cost of fence construction, maintenance, and security added into the price? It would be so high (no pun intended) that those who like the stuff most wouldnt be able to afford it. In my experience, those who love the stuff arent the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and therefore not the highest paid people either. I just dont see it working. I dont think it should be decriminalized, but I also do think that punishments should be less severe, unless you are selling or trafficing.
 
Addictive?:confused:
 
I'll bite cause I am an old head from the day. I quit because I have better things to spend my money on. Most the points have been touched except for the mis-conseptions from non users who give it a bad rap just from lack of better knowledge about it. And I beg anyone to differ!
1. Pot is not addictive.
2. You can not overdose or even misuse in any way for the fact that the body gets used to it. It affects you less the more you use it and eventually becomes just a cigarette. Another reason I hung it up.
3. I HAS to become legal for medical reasons for cancer patients for sure! It gives you an appetite. There's not another drug on the market that compares...
4. It impairs reaction times. You should not drive or operate machinery under the influence.
5. It affects everybody a little different. But the effects are no more than say a valium.
6. It makes you sleepy when the effects wear off. Another reason not to drive or operate machinery.
6. It could easily be taxed. The costs of time, money and labor of maintaining / growing quality pot underweigh buying it ready to go. Most users would gladly pay for it at a certain marketable price.
7. It opens up the creative mind. But you loose the mathamatical mind. It has a time and place.

I'm all for legalizing it but there still needs to be stipulations.
 
dasbulliwagen said:
In my experience, those who love the stuff arent the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and therefore not the highest paid people either. .
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i dont know about that, i would say that people like montel williams, woody harrelson, bill murray, a bunch of lawyers, doctors, college professors, etc..... probably make more than most on this sight. so saying that pot smokers, in general, are dumb and dont make any money is pretty ignorant if you ask me.
 
6BangBronk said:
1. Pot is not addictive.
2. ...It affects you less the more you use it and eventually becomes just a cigarette. Another reason I hung it up.
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I'm an ignorant never-user, but I'll ask a question anyway about this. I can't comment if the drug itself is addictive, because I don't know...but would you say trying to achieve the same high might be addictive? You yourself, said you build a tolerance...so now instead of smoking X amount, over time you build up to smoking 2X so you can achieve the same buzz?


yoderboy said:
i dont know about that, i would say that people like montel williams, woody harrelson, bill murray, a bunch of lawyers, doctors, college professors, etc..... probably make more than most on this sight. so saying that pot smokers, in general, are dumb and dont make any money is pretty ignorant if you ask me.
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I'd be willing to bet they're the minority. Regardless of how discriminating this comment is, I'd be willing to bet there are more folks supported by our tax dollars that use than doctors or lawyers.
 
UTfball68 said:
I'm an ignorant never-user, but I'll ask a question anyway about this. I can't comment if the drug itself is addictive, because I don't know...but would you say trying to achieve the same high might be addictive? You yourself, said you build a tolerance...so now instead of smoking X amount, over time you build up to smoking 2X so you can achieve the same buzz?
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The commonly referred users term is "burnt out". Trust me, you are not going to spend all day long smoking it and coughing your lungs out before you realize the "burnt out" state. Your mind gets used to the visual and bodily effects and smoking it becomes useless unless you take some time to unbuild the tolerance. And that eventually becomes months if not years. You will never achieve the buzz you got the first few times. But for some reason the only effect you can always expect from it is an appetite?
Another point not stated that this pertains to is that I imagine it could be harmful to lungs if you over do it. So there are health risks. They say a joint is as bad as a whole pack of cigarettes? But no legal experiments can be done in the U.S. with pot to determine any facts about it. I think that fact alone is what makes this whole issue so stupid. It's like the ones banning others have absolutely no experience or facts to base their conclusions.
 
I am wondering if the the legalize it campaign is gonig to have a hard time, since cigarette smoknig has been so demonized lately and everywhere is banning it in public. will it be a hard sell to let people "smoke" when you are forced to go underground to smoke legal cigarettes.

Getting a "tolerance" of smoking weed is like getting a tolerance for alcohol. If you booze it up constantly, it takes alot more to get a buzz. I would have to take a few weeks off from drinking in the old days so i wouldnt go broke drinking on a weekend cause it would take so much to get a buzz.

I think alcohol is worse than weed. How many potheads get all tweaked and then go beat fight people. On any given friday ro saturday you see alot more brawls when it is closing time cause some idiot cant get laid, so he will go start a fight. And Alcohol can be just as much as a gateway drug. I remember my first beer when i was a freshman in high school.

I say legalize it. Get teh money out of it and definately make it non-criminalized.
 
I don't smoke, so I really don't care.

I know some very high paid people in very good jobs who smoke up on the way to work in the morning, I know some people who can't hold down a job because they smoke all the time and don't really think about anything else.

Legalize it, sure, Keep it the same, thats fine too.
 
I'm interested to know how many people actually know why marijuana was made illegal. It had nothing to do with the effects of it being smoked. It had everything to do hemp being extremely competitive with wood pulp based products and some people that owned assets in that industry not wanting competition.

I find it sad that I can visit my doctor, get a pain med prescription filled once a month with no problem (I commonly take pain meds because I only have half a meniscus disk, and walking around is like someone stabbing me in the knee with an ice pick sometimes). Pain meds are known to be highly addictive and have major side effects that can trash a liver.

Pot? Well, some would argue that there isn't a single scientific study that has proven pot has any long term negative effects on the human body.

Anyone interested in seeing how "bad" pot legalization is should take some time and read about the countries that have decriminalized it. Last time I checked, the Netherlands was doing just fine.
 
loki_racer said:
I'm interested to know how many people actually know why marijuana was made illegal. It had nothing to do with the effects of it being smoked. It had everything to do hemp being extremely competitive with wood pulp based products and some people that owned assets in that industry not wanting competition.

I find it sad that I can visit my doctor, get a pain med prescription filled once a month with no problem (I commonly take pain meds because I only have half a meniscus disk, and walking around is like someone stabbing me in the knee with an ice pick sometimes). Pain meds are known to be highly addictive and have major side effects that can trash a liver.

Pot? Well, some would argue that there isn't a single scientific study that has proven pot has any long term negative effects on the human body.

Anyone interested in seeing how "bad" pot legalization is should take some time and read about the countries that have decriminalized it. Last time I checked, the Netherlands was doing just fine.
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Italy too? :lol:
 
loki_racer said:
I'm interested to know how many people actually know why marijuana was made illegal. It had nothing to do with the effects of it being smoked. It had everything to do hemp being extremely competitive with wood pulp based products and some people that owned assets in that industry not wanting competition.

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The Cotton industry was a major player in this. According to something I read, cotton was probably the #1 proponent of making weed illegal.
 
dasbulliwagen said:
Im not for legalizing. But I was just thinking what it would take to produce it and process it for sale. Being that it is addictive, and usable in an unprocessed state, the farms growing it would need to be completely fenced, and guarded to keep people from stealing it. Can you imagine the cost of fence construction, maintenance, and security added into the price? It would be so high (no pun intended) that those who like the stuff most wouldnt be able to afford it.
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1 - No evidence of a physiological addiction. That is, addictions defined as "dependence".
2 - People also really enjoy eating apples and oranges. Which can be eaten right off the plant, no processing. Funny though, those aren't kept guarded and only minimally fenced.
Why? B/c they're easy enough to buy that stealing them isn't worth it.

In my experience, those who love the stuff arent the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and therefore not the highest paid people either.
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I don't think you know enough people :shaking::lol:

Lets just say I know LOTS of folks in good, well-paying Fed and Contractor jobs that are every well educated that are "partakers" or at least would if legal.

i'd wager the I.Q./ income distribution of people who would partake is pretty similar to that of the general U.S population.
The difference is, it's illegal. People who have good jobs, careers and families to worry about are less likely to risk it on something illegal.

UTfball68 said:
I'd be willing to bet they're the minority. Regardless of how discriminating this comment is, I'd be willing to bet there are more folks supported by our tax dollars that use than doctors or lawyers.
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See above - b/c it's illegal and they have more to lose.

DanStew said:
I am wondering if the the legalize it campaign is gonig to have a hard time, since cigarette smoknig has been so demonized lately and everywhere is banning it in public. will it be a hard sell to let people "smoke" when you are forced to go underground to smoke legal cigarettes.
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Yes! The biggest health concern from pot is (a) the fact that it's illegal, and (b) lungs etc. in that order. E.g. more people are harmed stemming from the illegality of it, and the things you have to do to acquire/distribute it, than from the physical lung damage.
That said, it IS bad for you to smoke - b/c it's unfiltered. However I would assume that any packaged version would be filtered, just like tobacco is.
Also - that is true, oz/oz it IS worse. BUT - people don't smoke the volume of pot/day that they do cigarettes! E.g. nobody is going to be smoking 20-40 joints a day (lol).
 
dasbulliwagen said:
Im not for legalizing. But I was just thinking what it would take to produce it and process it for sale. Being that it is addictive, and usable in an unprocessed state, the farms growing it would need to be completely fenced, and guarded to keep people from stealing it. Can you imagine the cost of fence construction, maintenance, and security added into the price? It would be so high (no pun intended) that those who like the stuff most wouldnt be able to afford it. In my experience, those who love the stuff arent the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and therefore not the highest paid people either. I just dont see it working. I dont think it should be decriminalized, but I also do think that punishments should be less severe, unless you are selling or trafficing.
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lots of good posts in this threads...except the one I quoted :lol:
The reason marijuana is such a gateway drug is because people have to go undeground to get it, same outlets as hardcore drugs.
I think one big reason it won't be legalized is that law enforcement is unsure how to prosecute a DW-HI. With alcohol, its cut and dry...a breathalyzer can show BAC. Since THC stays in the bloodstream for around 30days, its much more difficult to tell. And I'm not saying DW-HI is all bad (many people function just fine with the permastone), it just scares people who don't understand.
 
it isn't nearly as toxic as cigarettes. the 200 chemicals they put in cigarettes makes them far worse than pot.
if it were legal i would probably stop buying 3 packs of cigarettes a day.(anyone who knows me will attest to the cigarette constantly hanging from my mouth)

i know a lot of people who smoke it and you would never even know it, it doesn't make them bad people. yes it is illegal, and that is the only reason you will never know they smoke it.

i am still a firm believer that what you do on your own time is your own business, if it's illegal or not.
 
i'm really amazed at how many people think because they don't like something or it don't fit into their beliefs it should be illeagle. to me it is a question of freedom. i don't smoke weed or cigs either one but i think in a free country you should have the right to do so. i just hate the goverment telling me what i can and can't do.
 
OK...does this thread keep popping back up under "new posts" with no new posts for anyone else, or am I :smokin:
 
Welp, 70 vs. 26 per says the voting. I would say the general consensus is yes. Maybe we can move on.
 
I've noticed that too and its driving me crazy, I assume it's b/c people keep voting but not posting.
 
They are all high... :huggy:
 
dasbulliwagen said:
Im not for legalizing. But I was just thinking what it would take to produce it and process it for sale. Being that it is addictive, and usable in an unprocessed state, the farms growing it would need to be completely fenced, and guarded to keep people from stealing it. Can you imagine the cost of fence construction, maintenance, and security added into the price? It would be so high (no pun intended) that those who like the stuff most wouldnt be able to afford it. In my experience, those who love the stuff arent the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and therefore not the highest paid people either. I just dont see it working. I dont think it should be decriminalized, but I also do think that punishments should be less severe, unless you are selling or trafficing.
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Ive never used it and even if it was legal I would not. That being said I know plenty of engineers that do and alot of other very smart people.

Currently i think it is a gateway drug because of the way it is sold by dealers and criminals that also sell the harder stuf.
so there is a direct line through them to the hard stuf.

some might Start smoking pot and then the dealer gets them to try something harder and then they get hooked

if they were never in contact with these types of people I would think that most People would not Start off buying Crack or cocaine.

so i say make it legal and stop the drug flow from mexico and collect taxes on it.
 
Dylan W. said:
Funny how the add banner adjust to the topics in the thread:lol:
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no, that's just b/c of all the "merchandise" you've been shopping for online :lol:, oogle keeping tabs on you :beer:
 
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