Mass shooting in Vegas

ManglerYJ said:
The more news that's coming out about this, the worse I feel about it. Trying not to get all "tin foil hat", but even with a fully automatic weapon, with elevated vantage point and clear conditions plus good lighting, the sheer amount of carnage is amazing for just one shooter. 58 confirmed kills and 500+ injured from a mid 60's accountant? Looks like even from the closest corner of the building to the event was .2 miles which is around 300 yards. Add 32 floors of height and you are hitting targets at about 350 yards. That's pushing the effective lethal range of most assault style rifles even in the best conditions.
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A large portion of the injured were from the stampede, not the bullets.
 
RatLabGuy said:
A large portion of the injured were from the stampede, not the bullets.
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I figured that, but I doubt many of the fatalities were trampled. That's a LOT of kill shots.


As on cue, the gun-grabbers immediately noted, "But if they had a silencer, the deaths would have been a lot more." No they wouldn't. As evidence from the first minute of the video, people heard the shots and didn't run. They ran once they figured out people were getting hit with bullets. I have to imagine the acoustics of that area (large amphitheater type setting) made figuring out where the shots were coming from a bit harder.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Actually the "why" is VERY important. Especially to gun owners. The slippery slope of "He just had mental illness" gives the anti-gun people ammunition in their fight to keep guns out of everybody's hands. Here's how:

By saying that everyone with a mental illness should not own a gun allows someone in a government capacity to dictate a "level" of mental illness that determines a threshold for allowing gun ownership to some and not others. This means continued access to health information that should be privileged information (HIPAA law). Now, I'm not saying that someone with a profound mental deficiency should be allowed to carry, QUITE THE OPPOSITE. Obviously, this guy has skimmed the surface of police awareness, but not to the point of a federal notice. This dude is in his mid 60's. Something made him snap - this type of behavior, combined with the ability of assembling a cache of automatic weapons can't stay off radar for that long. But, even though he may have "snapped", there is a LOT of fore planning that went into this - transporting a large cache of weapons to your hotel, getting a room with a high enough vantage point to be concealed, but still have high enough caliber weapons that would still be that effective at that distance, etc.

As @JSJJ388 mentioned, those people were fish in a barrel taking on indiscriminant fire from an elevated vantage point. I'd be willing to bet that this guy is former military. His age puts him possibly in Vietnam War timeline.

Either way, I am VERY impressed with the response time of the LVPD. From what I've read, the entire ordeal from initial shots fired to forcable entry into the hotel room was less than 1 hour. That's having a SWAT team deployed, explosives set on entry and take down all planned and mobilized.
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Quoted so l can like this post again. VERY well said Sir!
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Words can't describe the evil enough to portray what happened. My prayers are for all the victims and their families, all the injured and all the people that endured the event.
 
News showed a couple of guys standing up and taunting the shooter.

1) Wonder how they fell about their actions now that they are sober.

2) Wonder how all the other people cowering and taking cover in those guys general vicinity felt about them doing that?
 
ManglerYJ said:
I figured that, but I doubt many of the fatalities were trampled. That's a LOT of kill shots.
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I think there were 49 killed last year in the Orlando night club. Numerically speaking, 59 people in a crowd of 22,000 is a lot better than it could have been. Of course, even one is too many. It's hard to even wrap you mind around something like this.
 
Effective range on a point target for a 5.56 is 550 meters. Area target (what this was) is 800 meters. And this is with iron sights.

Horrible situation for everybody. Thank GOD for the LEO reacting as quick as they did. Prayers for all involved.
 
kaiser715 said:
News showed a couple of guys standing up and taunting the shooter.

1) Wonder how they fell about their actions now that they are sober.

2) Wonder how all the other people cowering and taking cover in those guys general vicinity felt about them doing that?
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Here is one of them:

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Another:

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The more I think about it the sadder I am for those families grieving over loved ones.
My wife and I just let our kids go on a pathfinders (private school) trip to pigeon forge. They are 11 & 13 and this was their first time away without one of us. First night they stayed in a cave and other 2 nights in a campground with lake and all...
I am very protective because I know how evil people are and the fact that danger is everywhere. We warned them about sticking together with groups and not taking a walk with a "counselor" alone. We also asked them to keep an eye on each other and to keep their phone charged and carry their wallets with cash and all the families info and phone #'s....I also made them take a knife each for regular camping reasons and for self defense.
We were nervous for a few days and the house was too quiet with no bickering between the kids but thank God they made it home safely. Basically, I'm just saying that I can't imagine how these families feel since their loved ones aren't coming home. May God ease their pain and send that comforter as promised in his word.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
Effective range on a point target for a 5.56 is 550 meters. Area target (what this was) is 800 meters. And this is with iron sights.

Horrible situation for everybody. Thank GOD for the LEO reacting as quick as they did. Prayers for all involved.
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i could be wrong but from what i saw he was just shooting into the mob of people not really picking targets.
That said at the angle he was firing from id guess that most of the people shot were hit in the upper body.
 
Loganwayne said:
i could be wrong but from what i saw he was just shooting into the mob of people not really picking targets.
That said at the angle he was firing from id guess that most of the people shot were hit in the upper body.
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It was definitely just a fire into the crowd situation. To inflict that many casualties, no way he was picking targets.
 
Just found out this morning that a friend of mine lost his wife at the concert. Didn’t get much detail other than she got hit and died in his arms. Terrible situation to say the least. He was retired special operations, survived 20 years of getting after it , and loses his wife in a gun fight stateside. I have no words.
 
Wes said:
Just found out this morning that a friend of mine lost his wife at the concert. Didn’t get much detail other than she got hit and died in his arms. Terrible situation to say the least. He was retired special operations, survived 20 years of getting after it , and loses his wife in a gun fight stateside. I have no words.
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Thoughts and prayers to your friend and all involved. On a side note as to why yes they need to try and figure it out IMHO.
 
Wes said:
Just found out this morning that a friend of mine lost his wife at the concert. Didn’t get much detail other than she got hit and died in his arms. Terrible situation to say the least. He was retired special operations, survived 20 years of getting after it , and loses his wife in a gun fight stateside. I have no words.
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So sorry to hear this. Can't even fathom heading out for a fun night with the wife and something like this happening.
 
dailymail.co.uk is currently showing the most info, including guns pics and leaked pics of the room/guns/bad guy body/etc.
 
DSM Turbos said:
The conspiracy therorists on fb that know everything are going crazy right now.
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Oh it's rampant lol. The whole "second shooter on a lower floor" one has been great. Someone asks well where is the broken window? And the wackos just go off the deep end and this photo began to surface.

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Fun fact...that is the wrong side of the hotel. You're looking at the back side of the Convention Center.

Taken a few weeks ago while waiting for an Uber outside Solar Power Intl...
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Now I'm not saying that some parts of this whole deal don't stink like a chicken shack in August, but that one is for sure a load of bs.
 
DSM Turbos said:
The conspiracy therorists on fb that know everything are going crazy right now.
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Have you seen the video of the shooter on the lower floor, looks like a strobe light. The fact the guy is dead we will never know if he was helped how much help he got if there were suppose to be more shooters or if another attack similar is planned or if he did it all on his own. Yes you can trace calls and check
Computers but there are ways around all that


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Loganwayne said:
The fact the guy is dead we will never know
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[puts on tin foil hat]

"Self inflicted gunshot wound"

So you don't know if his accomplice(s) shot him before escaping and leaving him to take the wrap alone.....or....

[/takes off tin foil hat]

In all seriousness, he had multiple rifles, thousands of rounds of ammo, and a vantage point. It was fish in a barrel. I mean you can hear gunfire for nearly a minute before the coward on stage just abandons the mic without even warning the crowd...then the crowd stands there like sheep for another 30 seconds till THEY figure out what was going on. Shooting blindly into THAT dense a crowd (both literally and figuratively) the likelyhood that he'd kill that many people is absolutely plausible (in my mind)

In a way I don't care why he did it. It's obviously he was out of his mind, but I can't help wonder....WTF snapped and made him lose it? Only so I can recognize when maybe someone I KNOW reaches that point and I can offer help before something like this has to happen
 
CasterTroy said:
Only so I can recognize when maybe someone I KNOW reaches that point and I can offer help before something like this has to happen
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Honestly, not trying to be funny, but I would say those people that are always ranting about conspiracy theories that sound way too far fetched to even be possible let alone plausible are the types that do this. Maybe not all of them, but when you start from a frame of mind that is not firing on all eight already, it doesnt take much to push that person right off the edge of whatever relative sanity they had.
 
Prayers for the all involved, especially the families of lost loved ones.


My wife asked me a few months ago why I avoid crowded gatherings. I explained that in my carnival days I learned that people are more dangerous than anything else known to me. Not only do large crowds become a stampede when something goes wrong, but they are always the first target.

She said to me when she learned of this event that she now understands.
 
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